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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:46:52 PM
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Posted: 8/9/2012 9:56:31 PM
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Posted: 8/9/2012 10:28:31 PM
LE jobs are kinda tough in WI right now for non vets, you should have your choice of position with a military background.
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:54:10 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 7:55:55 AM by chwi548]
Originally Posted By Bill2k1:
LE jobs are kinda tough in WI right now for non vets, you should have your choice of position with a military background. Huh? While military service gives you points on some apps, it in no way, shape, or form gives you your choice of positions. The LE job market is tough for everyone. Don't be throwing out false hope unless you're in HR for a specific agency, and can say that's how it is for that agency. With that said jobs open up more on the east and south sides. WILENET along with Wisc.jobs is a good way to track open vacancies. If all else fails, the DOC is hiring as a way to get back until something in LE opens. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:34:56 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 10:36:38 AM by prebans]
Everything but MGs are totally good to go.
For MGs, you need to have the signature of a CLEO- trust or not. You can still have them, but you MUST get a sign-off. Sign-offs are either easy (Waukesha County) or all but impossible (Milwaukee County). Brown County (as I understand) does NOT sign off. I do not know about Kewaunee or Door Counties. I do know that Manitowoc (just south of Brown and Kewaunee) has signed in the past, including for some pretty ... wild ... stuff. Mike |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:52:57 AM
Originally Posted By prebans:
Everything but MGs are totally good to go. For MGs, you need to have the signature of a CLEO- trust or not. You can still have them, but you MUST get a sign-off. Sign-offs are either easy (Waukesha County) or all but impossible (Milwaukee County). Brown County (as I understand) does NOT sign off. I do not know about Kewaunee or Door Counties. I do know that Manitowoc (just south of Brown and Kewaunee) has signed in the past, including for some pretty ... wild ... stuff. Mike Mike, It's my understanding (at least it was 5 years ago) that in Waukesha Co. there were three conditions to get a sign-off. 1) Have a safe. 2) Have some sort of monitored alarm system (ADT, Brinks, etc.) 3) Allow a walk through inspection of your home or storage location. I also assume that they run their own background check through the WI DOJ. Is this still the case or has it ever been this way? I thought that I recalled seeing a post several months ago that stated that the Sheriff was not signing anymore. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:56:13 AM
Originally Posted By jrpett:
Originally Posted By prebans:
Everything but MGs are totally good to go. For MGs, you need to have the signature of a CLEO- trust or not. You can still have them, but you MUST get a sign-off. Sign-offs are either easy (Waukesha County) or all but impossible (Milwaukee County). Brown County (as I understand) does NOT sign off. I do not know about Kewaunee or Door Counties. I do know that Manitowoc (just south of Brown and Kewaunee) has signed in the past, including for some pretty ... wild ... stuff. Mike Mike, It's my understanding (at least it was 5 years ago) that in Waukesha Co. there were three conditions to get a sign-off. 1) Have a safe. 2) Have some sort of monitored alarm system (ADT, Brinks, etc.) 3) Allow a walk through inspection of your home or storage location. I also assume that they run their own background check through the WI DOJ. Is this still the case or has it ever been this way? I thought that I recalled seeing a post several months ago that stated that the Sheriff was not signing anymore. Yup, that sounds about right. And I just had a client get a sign-off, so they are signing. Mike |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:00:26 AM
Originally Posted By prebans:
Everything but MGs are totally good to go. For MGs, you need to have the signature of a CLEO- trust or not. You can still have them, but you MUST get a sign-off. . I really hope this shit gets fixed, post haste. But I have a bad feeling that no one will touch this with a 10 foot pole. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:03:58 AM
Originally Posted By NAM:
Originally Posted By prebans:
Everything but MGs are totally good to go. For MGs, you need to have the signature of a CLEO- trust or not. You can still have them, but you MUST get a sign-off. . I really hope this shit gets fixed, post haste. But I have a bad feeling that no one will touch this with a 10 foot pole. Yep. We're on the same page. And with the current events with all these high profile shootings lately, good luck getting any favorable actions accomplished, especially when the word "machine gun" is mentioned. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:46:53 AM
Originally Posted By jrpett:
Yep. We're on the same page. And with the current events with all these high profile shootings lately, good luck getting any favorable actions accomplished, especially when the word "machine gun" is mentioned. I'm not a lawyer, but my idea was to use this to our advantage. I.e. "Our machinegun laws havent' been updated since the 70s! We need to change these laws to match current federal laws! It's for the children!" ![]() |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:51:45 AM
Originally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By jrpett: Yep. We're on the same page. And with the current events with all these high profile shootings lately, good luck getting any favorable actions accomplished, especially when the word "machine gun" is mentioned. I'm not a lawyer, but my idea was to use this to our advantage. I.e. "Our machinegun laws havent' been updated since the 70s! We need to change these laws to match current federal laws! It's for the children!" ![]() Don't go applying logic! That's CRAZY TALK! |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 11:58:31 AM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 12:02:59 PM by Murooka]
Originally Posted By chwi548:
Originally Posted By Bill2k1:
LE jobs are kinda tough in WI right now for non vets, you should have your choice of position with a military background. Huh? While military service gives you points on some apps, it in no way, shape, or form gives you your choice of positions. The LE job market is tough for everyone. Don't be throwing out false hope unless you're in HR for a specific agency, and can say that's how it is for that agency. With that said jobs open up more on the east and south sides. WILENET along with Wisc.jobs is a good way to track open vacancies. If all else fails, the DOC is hiring as a way to get back until something in LE opens. To add to this, WI DOC and some jailer positions are accessible without a college degree, however all sworn positions in WI require at least 60 college credits. Some agencies will hire you on if you can get your 60 within a certain timeframe (Madison PD comes to mind), but I haven't seen that offered from most departments. The nuclear power plants up north by Green Bay is nice pay and bennies for security work (if you can get in), and G4S hires out armed transportation officers in Milwaukee to move inmates around. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:03:09 PM
Originally Posted By chwi548:
Originally Posted By Bill2k1:
LE jobs are kinda tough in WI right now for non vets, you should have your choice of position with a military background. Huh? While military service gives you points on some apps, it in no way, shape, or form gives you your choice of positions. The LE job market is tough for everyone. Don't be throwing out false hope unless you're in HR for a specific agency, and can say that's how it is for that agency. With that said jobs open up more on the east and south sides. WILENET along with Wisc.jobs is a good way to track open vacancies. If all else fails, the DOC is hiring as a way to get back until something in LE opens. Preference points for military service will rise you above other candidates. Hiring without the education requirement met is uncommon for sure. There are far to many people out there with degrees that to try and become a cop these days that without the credit requirement met, you are doing yourself a disservice (I would argue without a degree you shouldn't even try, because everyone else will have one. Maybe in very small agencies that might not apply). I am not providing false hope, any government job is far to hard to obtain right now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that local governments do not have the money to hire. It is like that all around the country. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 5:43:11 PM
[Last Edit: 8/10/2012 5:43:37 PM by glenn_r]
Regarding LE jobs:
Milwaukee County SO just laid off a LOT of deputies. Looks like everyone with less than 10 years is out. It's ugly over there. Vet preference points are generally helpful, but I was hired without them. Of course, that was years ago. Very few places are hiring without 60 college credits under your belt. I know Milwaukee PD will, and so will Madison, but they are the exception, and I strongly suspect you'd have to bring something extra to the table to get selected over everyone else that already has the credits. A lot of departments––most medium and small departments, for sure––will prefer that you put yourself through the academy before they'll look at you. This shows you're serious, and it saves the employer 13 weeks of wages. Some departments will put the "right person" through the academy, but they're in the minority. Academy tuition is generally about $2,800, plus 13 weeks of your time. You need 60 credits to be accepted into an academy (if an employer isn't sending you). A small minority of departments are requiring a bachelor's degree. Good luck! |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 7:21:27 PM
I am not a vet, and have been on a PD and 2 SO's now with only a 2 year degree. This is all since 2007. I am now at the department I will stay with forever and I couldn't be happier.
IMO It is all about who you know and less about what degree or military background given that stuff doesn't hurt but I wouldn't say it makes you a shoe in at all. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 1:30:02 AM
Thanks for all your responses,
I have an associates degree and am working on my bachelors at the moment, running out of GI bill though. I still have tuition assistance because I opted into the reserves after active duty and i can probably RST out at McCoy. This is still a year out, I am planing a trip up to see family this winter (might even get to see some snow again) |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 6:51:18 AM
[Last Edit: 8/11/2012 6:52:17 AM by DrunkDucky]
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/2012AwardDocs/CHP/CHP-2012-Final-Announcement-List.pdf
The City of Manitowoc has been getting grant money to hire vets...they also should be hiring as many as 15 officers in the next few years due to retirements/new positions. If you are at all interested in nuclear security shoot me an IM and I can point you in the right direction too. ETA: I also know a 31B unit you can RST with on the east side of the state. DD |
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Posted: 8/15/2012 11:19:55 PM
Idealy I would be up in door county by my grandmas far I might just get a summer place up there
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Posted: 8/16/2012 7:08:43 AM
As far as your machineguns, I got mine signed off with absolutely no issues at all. I actually dropped off the paperwork with the sherrif's secretary and picked it up a few days later. She didn't even ask what it was for.
If you have a sherrif that won't sign, just set up a living trust and go that route. I would contact the atf and ask if you even need a signature because you already own them. Might be as simple as changing your address on the form 4. |
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Posted: 8/16/2012 8:13:08 AM
StewartCustom, prebans is the resident authority on this (he is, IMHO, the most knowledgable Class 3 SOT around these parts), and he has is absolutely right. MGs are a special class in WI after a decision by BATFU and VanHollen a few years ago that has most MG transfers at a standstill. The trust/corporation route does not exempt a CLEO letter (which is different than the Form1/Form4 signoff to which you're referring) for MGs. There's a thread or two about this here in the HTF (probably archived).
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