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Posted: 10/29/2011 12:50:21 AM
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Posted: 10/29/2011 8:57:52 AM
Originally Posted By glenn_r:
Originally Posted By FMD:
Originally Posted By DrSIG226:
was reading through the FAQ... two questions: 1) it's ok to carry in a parking lot, but not ok to carry on school grounds (which I'm assuming includes the school ground parking lot?) - how does that jive? You may carry in a school zone (within 1000' feet) as a permit holder. I would assume you can carry in your vehicle, up to and including the parking lot while on school grounds. If you leave your vehicle while carrying and in the lot, I'd bet you're in trouble if caught. Just saw this. It's not OK to carry in a school parking lot even in your vehicle. Guns must be unloaded and encased if you're on school grounds, even with a CCW permit. Yeah, that's what I thought... Unfortunately opens law for questioning carry on private owned and publicly accessed propety (parking, sidewalks, common areas, etc). I know this isn't MN's tresspass law, but this approach opens holes. |
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Posted: 11/1/2011 3:06:53 AM
Will update the FAQ in the morning. In the mean time, if the site is slow to load for anyone mirrors of the application can be found here:
Google Docs mirror site My personal server (don't hammer it too hard) PDF Mirror 1. Right click and save |
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Posted: 11/1/2011 6:59:05 PM
New application form out:
For a downloadable application form and other application information, visit the “Concealed Carry Law” page of the DOJ website. The link is below. http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp Note: Some initial applications mistakenly showed “NA” in the field for alias/maiden name. The misprint has since been fixed, but if anyone has an application with the error and has not already filled it out, please use the corrected form and fill in the field. Anyone who submitted the application form with the typographical error does not need to submit a replacement form. |
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Posted: 11/2/2011 3:13:12 AM
Originally Posted By SuperPimp:
New application form out: For a downloadable application form and other application information, visit the “Concealed Carry Law” page of the DOJ website. The link is below. http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp Note: Some initial applications mistakenly showed “NA” in the field for alias/maiden name. The misprint has since been fixed, but if anyone has an application with the error and has not already filled it out, please use the corrected form and fill in the field. Anyone who submitted the application form with the typographical error does not need to submit a replacement form. Mirror file now updated. |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 4:29:38 PM
Originally Posted By glenn_r:
Originally Posted By FMD:
Originally Posted By DrSIG226:
was reading through the FAQ... two questions: 1) it's ok to carry in a parking lot, but not ok to carry on school grounds (which I'm assuming includes the school ground parking lot?) - how does that jive? You may carry in a school zone (within 1000' feet) as a permit holder. I would assume you can carry in your vehicle, up to and including the parking lot while on school grounds. If you leave your vehicle while carrying and in the lot, I'd bet you're in trouble if caught. Just saw this. It's not OK to carry in a school parking lot even in your vehicle. Guns must be unloaded and encased if you're on school grounds, even with a CCW permit. So...what do I do when I pick up the kid after school? According to this, I have to unholster and unload my gun in the driver's seat, somewhere before I reach school grounds? Through it in a case and move it somewhere out of reach? |
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Posted: 11/18/2011 10:03:01 PM
ok i was filling out my form or trying to at least. how do i know if my hunters safety is good. because on the bottom of the first page it says you need instructors signature and all sorts of stuff that inst covered by my hunters safety card. i plan on taking a training course but i was gonna use it to get the ball rolling.
and my local police station has a ccw class given by a instructor that they say has 33 years of firearm experience. should i be apprehensive about taking a course right at my local police station or would there class be good to go next question i was also reading on the for and it seemed like they changed the part with the schools i thought with a permit you could be within 1000FT of a school you just couldn't be inside the school so like walking on the sidewalks or in parking lots(i know this is be discussed already but im asking again for good measure) finally my last question is about posted places. i thought i read somewhere that you needed to post something the size of an 8.5in by 11in? i ask this because i have been watching what places are posting and some of the postings are like playing wheres waldo. and are very hard to spot(the fox river mall is a hard one to spot and could easily be missed. |
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Posted: 11/19/2011 7:33:58 PM
[Last Edit: 11/19/2011 7:34:32 PM by FMD]
Originally Posted By Clay54961:
ok i was filling out my form or trying to at least. how do i know if my hunters safety is good. because on the bottom of the first page it says you need instructors signature and all sorts of stuff that inst covered by my hunters safety card. i plan on taking a training course but i was gonna use it to get the ball rolling. Those requirements only apply to training courses. Your Hunter's Ed, DD214, or valid/expired out of state permit do not need them. and my local police station has a ccw class given by a instructor that they say has 33 years of firearm experience. should i be apprehensive about taking a course right at my local police station or would there class be good to go
Their class will meet the DOJ requirements. Actually, I'd be surprised if it didn't follow the DOJ curriculum exactly. While not a requirement, I'd personally recommend a more thorough course aimed at self defense shooting rather than just meeting the requirements of the WI/MN/UT permit. They are not the same thing, though the former will likely qualify you for one or more permits. next question i was also reading on the for and it seemed like they changed the part with the schools i thought with a permit you could be within 1000FT of a school you just couldn't be inside the school so like walking on the sidewalks or in parking lots(i know this is be discussed already but im asking again for good measure)
From the DOJ student manual: "It is a felony to carry a firearm in a school or on the grounds of a school unless... the firearm is not loaded and is either encased or is in a locked firearms rack on a motor vehicle." With a permit, you're okay on the sidewalk, not okay in the parking lot or building. finally my last question is about posted places. i thought i read somewhere that you needed to post something the size of an 8.5in by 11in? i ask this because i have been watching what places are posting and some of the postings are like playing wheres waldo. and are very hard to spot(the fox river mall is a hard one to spot and could easily be missed.
Again from the DOJ student manual: "[Weapons Prohibited] signs measuring at least five inches by seven inches that inform people firearms or weapons are prohibited. These signs should be posted in prominent places near all entrances to the building or grounds where the restriction applies. Signs for posting land must be at least 11 inches square and be placed in conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected. Wis. Stat. § 943.13." 22 Wis. Stat. § 939.48 is shown in |
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Posted: 11/21/2011 6:56:27 PM
there is no time restriction on the hunter safety? doesn't matter if it was last year or 20 years ago? a hunter safety is good to go no matter what. i'm asking because from what i have read it doesn't matter but i like to double check before i go off and send off a check to the doj that is no refundable if your application is wrong.
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Posted: 11/21/2011 8:12:38 PM
Originally Posted By Clay54961:
there is no time restriction on the hunter safety? doesn't matter if it was last year or 20 years ago? a hunter safety is good to go no matter what. i'm asking because from what i have read it doesn't matter but i like to double check before i go off and send off a check to the doj that is no refundable if your application is wrong. Hunter safety is GTG regardless of when it was taken. |
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Posted: 11/21/2011 9:30:27 PM
thats what i thought thanks for the help
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Posted: 11/23/2011 8:51:58 AM
Originally Posted By Clay54961:
ok i was filling out my form or trying to at least. how do i know if my hunters safety is good. because on the bottom of the first page it says you need instructors signature and all sorts of stuff that inst covered by my hunters safety card. i plan on taking a training course but i was gonna use it to get the ball rolling. If you haven't mailed yet, I'd think about waiting one more week. If they receive your app before next thursday (Dec 1st) they have until mid -January (45 days) to process it. If they receive it Dec. 1st or later, they've got 21 days. The "deadline" differance is 3 weeks between next thursday and friday. I'd wait, but ymmv.  |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 11:30:43 AM
Does anyone have a good list of states we can carry in? I'm traveling to TX, and I'm pretty sure that I can't actually carry there, but every other state (besides the brief unfortunate bit in IL) should be OK from what I've found.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 9:54:28 PM
just a couple of questions before i send my permit off.
1. I assume the check must be written out to the WDJ 2. should i put tracking or send it certified mail or anything? |
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Posted: 1/9/2012 2:06:02 PM
Originally Posted By Clay54961:
just a couple of questions before i send my permit off. 1. I assume the check must be written out to the WDJ 2. should i put tracking or send it certified mail or anything? The application specifically states who to write the check out to. You can send it however you like. I just dropped mine in a mail box with a stamp on it. |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 10:05:03 AM
[Last Edit: 2/2/2012 10:31:01 AM by MadBodhi]
Originally Posted By MrNate:
Does anyone have a good list of states we can carry in? I'm traveling to TX, and I'm pretty sure that I can't actually carry there, but every other state (besides the brief unfortunate bit in IL) should be OK from what I've found. DOJ Reciprocity List This list is current as of 12/08/11:UPDATED TO ADD,These are NOT states with Reciprocity!!! Simply states whose licences WI will honor.No real list as yet on DOJ Site Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Georgia Hawaii Idaho Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maryland Michigan Minnesota Montana Nebraska New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Pennsylvania Tennessee Texas Utah Virginia (Non-Resident Only) Washington Wyoming Puerto Rico U.S. Virgin Islands usacarry.com shows reciprocity with Montana Idaho Utah Colorado Arizona North Dakota South Dakota Oklahoma Iowa Missouri Arkansas Louisiana Michigan Indiana Kentucky Tennessee Georgia Vermont Pennsylvania North Carolina Alaska Current as of 1/30/2012,but there is no info to support so tread carefully and call ahead to any state you wish to travel in,at least till we have some official list from WIDOJ |
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Posted: 2/2/2012 2:10:17 PM
are you forgetting Minnesota? or as a Wisconsin permit holder we cant carry in that state?
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Posted: 2/5/2012 9:18:37 PM
Originally Posted By Clay54961:
are you forgetting Minnesota? or as a Wisconsin permit holder we cant carry in that state? Not yet, I believe Minnesota has some legislation going that will recognize all permits but I don't know much about it. Until then, Wisconsin and Minnesota has to work out a reciprocity agreement and I don't even know if the DOJ is even working on that. Same with Florida even though our system is loosely based on theirs we still need a formal agreement. Some states we just won't be able to get, others will need a formal agreement. The Utah permit is a good value and will get you into Minnesota, it's a great compliment to your WI CCL. |
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Posted: 2/13/2012 1:20:12 AM
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Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car.
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Posted: 2/13/2012 8:22:26 AM
Originally Posted By dayphotog:
Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car. thanks Legislation says you have a time period (i believe it's 48 hours) to produce your permit to the police station that employs the officer you were in contact with. I can't remember off the top of my head what the penalty is if you get caught with your gun without your permit. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 9:56:54 AM
Originally Posted By dayphotog:
Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car. thanks If your are carrying a concealed weapon, How do you forget your Permit? Do not do this, it is your responsibility to have your permit on you at all times. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 10:23:07 AM
Originally Posted By bigern26:
Originally Posted By dayphotog:
Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car. thanks If your are carrying a concealed weapon, How do you forget your Permit? Do not do this, it is your responsibility to have your permit on you at all times. Shit happens.... That's the reason we carry weapons. Things don't always go as planned. So there is a chance one could forget their license. As i said above, there are provisions for this...it's good to know what you can do if that situation arises. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 1:10:28 PM
Originally Posted By eclark53520:
Originally Posted By bigern26:
Originally Posted By dayphotog:
Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car. thanks If your are carrying a concealed weapon, How do you forget your Permit? Do not do this, it is your responsibility to have your permit on you at all times. Shit happens.... That's the reason we carry weapons. Things don't always go as planned. So there is a chance one could forget their license. As i said above, there are provisions for this...it's good to know what you can do if that situation arises. So your saying shit happens? you might shoot a little old lady? or your foot? or drop your gun in a restaurant? I disagree with your statement 100%. A responsible ccw person does not have a "shit happens" attitude when carrying. The law is to have your permit on you and show it to LEO. Same goes with CC, people are not supposed to know you are carrying so no shit dont happen. Be responsible. I know my handgun will never show when I am carrying, I know my handgun will never fall out onto the floor when I am carrying and I know my Permit is in my wallet which is in my back pocket when I am carrying. End of story. There is no room for mistakes when carrying a concealed weapon, if there is you are being irresponsible and making all the other permit holders look bad. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 1:59:27 PM
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Originally Posted By bigern26:
Originally Posted By eclark53520:
Originally Posted By bigern26:
Originally Posted By dayphotog:
Ok what happens if you leave home and forget your wallet with CCW? I have done this twice in my life. Now with CCW thrown in there what is the low down. I have had friends pulled over without their license and the police just look them up and they are good to go. I don't see forgetting my wallet but it can happen. I keep the a paper copy of the paper that came with my CCW and the license number written on it just incase in my car. thanks If your are carrying a concealed weapon, How do you forget your Permit? Do not do this, it is your responsibility to have your permit on you at all times. Shit happens.... That's the reason we carry weapons. Things don't always go as planned. So there is a chance one could forget their license. As i said above, there are provisions for this...it's good to know what you can do if that situation arises. So your saying shit happens? you might shoot a little old lady? or your foot? or drop your gun in a restaurant? I disagree with your statement 100%. A responsible ccw person does not have a "shit happens" attitude when carrying. The law is to have your permit on you and show it to LEO. Same goes with CC, people are not supposed to know you are carrying so no shit dont happen. Be responsible. I know my handgun will never show when I am carrying, I know my handgun will never fall out onto the floor when I am carrying and I know my Permit is in my wallet which is in my back pocket when I am carrying. End of story. There is no room for mistakes when carrying a concealed weapon, if there is you are being irresponsible and making all the other permit holders look bad. Yup, 'cause forgetting your wallet is exactly like shooting a little old lady. 
Intersting that you insist that there's an absolute requirement to carry your permit, when the actual law instead provides a window of time after the fact to produce said permit. Same goes with CC, people are not supposed to know you are carrying so no shit dont happen
Could you point me to the law requiring that weapons be concealed? Responsible permit holders actually know the laws involved. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 3:13:58 PM
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Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
Yup, 'cause forgetting your wallet is exactly like shooting a little old lady.
Intersting that you insist that there's an absolute requirement to carry your permit, when the actual law instead provides a window of time after the fact to produce said permit. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile (2g) CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON; POSSESSION AND DISPLAY OF LICENSE DOCUMENT OR AUTHORIZATION. (a) A licensee or an out−of−state licensee may carry a concealed weapon anywhere in this state except as provided under subs. (15m) and (16) and ss. 943.13 (1m) (c) and 948.605 (2) (b) 1r. (b) Unless the licensee or out−of−state licensee is carrying a concealed weapon in a manner described under s. 941.23 (2) (e), a licensee shall have with him or her his or her license document and photographic identification card and an out−of−state licensee shall have with him or her his or her out−of−state license and photographic identification card at all times during which he or she is carrying a concealed weapon. (c) Unless the licensee or out−of−state licensee is carrying a concealed weapon in a manner described under s. 941.23 (2) (e), a licensee who is carrying a concealed weapon shall display his or her license document and photographic identification card and an out−of−state licensee who is carrying a concealed weapon shall display his or her out−of−state license and photographic identification card to a law enforcement officer upon the request of the law enforcement officer while the law enforcement officer is acting in an official capacity and with lawful authority. I guess that answers that question.............. Oh here is more! CCW FAQ 10/20/11 - 26 - Do I need to carry my license with me at all times? Yes, a licensee or an out-of-state licensee who is carrying a concealed weapon must have with him or her their license document and photographic identification card unless the concealed weapon is being carried in the licensee‘s dwelling or place of business or on land that they owns lease, or legally occupy. Wis. Stat. § 175.60(2g)(b). We can refer to this one.....in your favor What is the penalty for not carrying or displaying a CCW license and photo ID? A person who does not carry or display a CCW license and photo ID as required may be ordered to forfeit not more than $25 except that the a person is exempt from this penalty if he or she presents, within 48 hours of the request, his or her license document and photographic identification to the law enforcement agency who employs the officer who lawfully requested the documents. Wis. Stat. § 175.60(17)(a). But if you are getting a fine.... and or ordered to show then in fact it is illegal to not carry your permit while carrying a concealed weapon. Originally Posted By tommytrauma:
Could you point me to the law requiring that weapons be concealed? Responsible permit holders actually know the laws involved. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sorry didnt mean to confuse you: no there my not be a law about not letting people know you are carrying concealed but whats the point, And if you are in an area that does not allow open carry yes it is illegal for your concealed carry to show or be known. Thats the whole point of CONCEALED CARRY. |
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