And SS109, you have chosen wisely

Don't ever feel obligated to go through with a FTF if you do not feel good about it. That said, don't back out on a deal because you decided you didn't ask enough or got a better offer after you agreed to the sale.....

No.

While i agree regarding having a card and or using the substance is not illegal,as per the state of CO, to the FEDS it is
Federal Law regarding firearms ownership AND knowingly filling out the 4473, the buyer commits purgery seeing how they lied on the form.
ONCE AGAIN. Having a MMJ Card does not show up on any CBI or FED BG check. It does show up when the ATF, OR other Agency inquires to the State of CO Marijuana Registry. The MMJ Registry IS NOT HIPPA Protected. You meeting with a doctor who writes a prescription is.
Whether they use, or not, having a current MMJ card IF the feds ask for updated info can & will land "your friend" in some possible trouble.
How they choose to deal with the issue is up to them. We are adults and each makes choices that they feel comfortable with.

As for a court challenge. Search info regarding CA and the Fed DOJ. ALL shops in CA are now falling under the scrutiny of the IRS. The feds having meet a stone wall

THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT REFLECT THE OPINIONS OF ARFCOM, AR-15.COM ,THE MODERATORS OF THE CO. HOMETOWN FORUMS OR ANY OTHER MODERATOR OF THIS SITE.



IMHO. The war on drugs or WOD for the under 50 crowd, is a loosing one. Had the .gov decriminalized mmj and reaped the benefits / windfall off the taxes on it they could impose, like Alcohol and Tobacco. There would be more room in prison for violent felons, and or those who should be put to death (upon a guilty verdict) .
The money spent to investigate and prosecute dope smokers is wasted and again could be put to better use.
on and on and on. YMMV.

Well I did state that it was my opinion. As far as I know it has not been through the courts, so it's all opinion at this point.

Are you sure about this? The state won't just send the whole list of registered medical marijuana patients to the feds, so the feds would have to be inquiring about a specific registered card number. Unless you present the card to the feds, they don't have a medical marijuana registry number to make an inquiry on.

Yes & yes. get with the program. When the feds have an inquiry they don't look for 1 thing, their net is cast wide and what ever is in the net they look at. You must not be to familiar with how LE agencys do things. Research MMJ in CO then cross reference it with the ATF's stand on MMJ card holders and firearm ownership. I am not going to hold you hand. As i said before i don't care what you or anyone else does regarding weed. You're an adult make a choice , be a man and stand by it. Your "doubts" and test case ramblings are nothing more than that.
Your internet paranoia is seeping through the keyboard.
Have any more questions regarding MMJ and gun ownership (RE:4473) spend the money on an attorney. Obviously you have some issues and or concerns regarding "your friend" better yet let them deal with it and put some distance between the both of you.

I only referenced a friend to bring up the point that I am aware of a person who holds an MMJ card and doesn't smoke weed, who could thus truthfully answer a form 4473. This is a real person, not me. I'm not trying to hide who I am.

I am also quite aware of the ATF's stance on MMJ and and the form 4473. What I am questioning their ability to access the MMJ database, which is held in very strict confidence by the state. I have yet tosee any evidence that the ATF has any sort of access to the database. You certainly haven't posted any evidence.

I'm not sure what I have posted that has you so riled up, or makes you think I that I am paranoid (if anything I am advocating against paranoia on this subject), but if I were your doctor I would probably recommend some MMJ for you.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/atfs-latest-gun-grab/


Thursday, September 6, 2012

The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.

BUT BUT, I don't smoke it i only have the card. tell "your friend" GFL.

only your lawyer, federal agents, and a jury can decide whether or not it is considered so....

my personal opinion is right there with you.. that being said it would be dealt with on a case by case situation. if you friend was previously arrested for drug use, or had some sort of record the cards would be stacked against him/her. it all depends really, i didn't even know that having a med card would not allow for gun ownership until reading this thread. its kind of shocking really.

hopefully they won't even bother to take it to the courts with anyone its a waste of their time and jail space.. and maybe colorado will end the marijuana prohibition this year. i think it would be a great way to add massive amounts of tax to the government and don't see why it hasn't been legalized already, i don't use marijuana but if it were to be legal like "jim" stated the jails would be less filled and we could concentrate on actual bad guys.. vote yes on prop 64

Just a heads up...

If you have pain issues and someone is trying to sell you on getting a MMJ card, don't.

You can actually get the active ingredient in MJ (THC) via prescription. No card. No gov records. Just a prescription from your doctor.

If anyone is having pain that bad, hopefully they have a Dr. who is working through various options anyway. My wife worked with such a Dr. for years and no, narcotics are not the only answer––often times they make matters worse.

That said, MMJ was a back-door to legalization and anyone with half a brain knew it. The numbers and demographics of card holders tell the story. It's non-issue except that people want it legalized and can't get support from the voters (because we're tired of paying their way as it is). End welfare/programs and it would legalized overnight.