We just got kicked in the nuts by the same folks who ramroded you guys.
So I have a question for my brothers and sisters in WA State.

When you conduct a private party sale through a dealer, does a CCW exempt you from the NICS check?
The way I read the law is that it does and it looks like you guys are the only other state that is like NV (Pvt party sales must go through an FFL, but a CCW exempts you from NICS).

As I see it, the dealer just completes the buyer's 4473 with the permit code, the way a gun bought from inventory is done today.

The problem is the vast majority of NV residents only know how things were done here or in Cali and aren't getting it.

Thanks

Pretty sure all sales in WA have a NICS check.  CPL only gets you out of the waiting period.  But I haven't done a private party transfer since the law took effect, so I'm not positive.

NICS is still required.  Just did a transfer last week.

So you guys lost your ccw exemption on the private party assfuck?

We never had a NICS exemption with a CPL due to state law.  The Feds consider our CPLs to be NICS-Exempt eligible, but state law didn't allow for such an exemption (the RCW specifically says a NICS check must be conducted on all transactions).  In a case where there is conflict between state and federal law, the more restrictive law controls.  I-594 didn't change that part of the process, it existed prior to I-594's passage.

Gotcha!  Now it makes sense. Thanks

Crap i thought you guys might have been in the same boat as us in that regard

Well....
There's a 10 day waiting period for all firearms sales in Washington State.

Rifles and shotguns only require the federal NICS check, if it's approved then you can take the gun home.

Washington State requires a separate background check for handguns.
As soon as the results of this check are known and you have passed NICS then you can take the handgun home or after a maximum of 10 business days have passed, whichever is lesser.

If you have a Washington State Concealed Weapons License then you have already passed the Washington State required background check and all you will need to do is pass the NICS and you can take the handgun home.

Screwy, but don't you dare question it.  


https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.092
RCW 9.41.092
Licensed dealer deliveries—Background checks.
Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, a licensed dealer may not deliver any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until the earlier of:
(1) The results of all required background checks are known and the purchaser or transferee is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal or state law; or
(2) Ten business days have elapsed from the date the licensed dealer requested the background check. However, for sales and transfers of pistols if the purchaser or transferee does not have a valid permanent Washington driver's license or state identification card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous consecutive ninety days, then the time period in this subsection shall be extended from ten business days to sixty days.
[2015 c 1 § 4 (Initiative Measure No. 594, approved November 4, 2014).]
NOTES:
Finding—2015 c 1 (Initiative Measure No. 594): See note following RCW 9.41.010.

Another interesting note is that it is a 10 day waiting period across the board. For example, if you are buying a rifle or shotgun and get put on a NICS delay, they normally hold for 3 business days while waiting for NICS to provide a response. In the state of WA, the dealer now has to hold the firearm for 10 business days while waiting for NICS to provide a response.

Yep.  I've got a few customers who always get a delay, and then get no resolution ever from NICS.  It goes from "Delay" to "Open" to gone after 30 days.  So these guys now have to wait 10 business days to get their rifles instead of 3 business days.  Get a "delay" on a Friday, and you are waiting 15 days before it can be released (that Friday doesn't count)

I received a delay from a NICS check that a gunshop was running on a firearm purchase.
I asked if they ran it with my SSN, they said no.
I told them to run it again with my SSN, they said no.
I told them to keep the firearm.  

Not more than 40 minutes later I had my FFL transfer me a different firearm, they ran it though with my SSN, approved.

Why were they not running your SSN number? Is it something of the store policy not to use a person's Social Security number?

If you Provided it on the application form why should they have a problem with it.

I've had NICS operators get annoyed if I run the same person multiple times in a short span, but this was also back before E-Check. If you put the SSN on the 4473, then the shop should have run it with the SSN.

long guns and others, background checks can be done by dealers

pistols
if you have a cpl the dealer can run your background

if you don't have a cpl it has to be sent to your local police agency and the wait begins

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It is a 10 business day wait which starts after the first business day after the sale

so if you buy Saturday/Sunday it starts Tuesday.

if dealer hasn't gotten a response in those 10 business days after the 11th he can release it to you. ,

business days are considered M-F and do not include holidays

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Another thing people think is once they become a resident they can carry concealed with an out of state cpl that has reprocity.

you have to have a valid Washington state CPL to carry once you become a resident or acquire a wa dl.

Thanks for the answers, unfortunately I thought your guys' laws were the same as ours in NV, so it didn't help me much:
We have no waiting periods, if you have CCW, no NICS check.
Until 12/31 ppt's are legal too.

We may be the only nanny state with a CCW exemption for NICS!

Was this someplace on Whidbey?

No idea. That's why I left the store with them holding their dick and the gun I was going to buy in their hand.

Nope, a little further east on Hwy 20 near the 5.

if you didn't put your ssn on the 4473 that's your fault.  unless the dealer made the mistake they don't run it a second time.

I made my 1st trip to preciseshooter in Lynnwood 2 weeks ago and really like the electronic 4473 process setup they have there.  I did multiple forms with e-check approvals by the time another store would have even called NICS.  Great prices too.

Precise Shooter is run by an open Socialist.  Google it.  He's not shy about it.

That said, I had a local shop go electronic and when I buy something, they reprocess what they have on record and I just sign.  It's down to like 30 seconds for the background check.

I was just there today. Looked like the NICS went down, so I couldn't complete my transaction this afternoon. Called and went back a few hours later to finish up when the system was up again.

Other than that, I had no issues.

First time there. Surprised to see the sales floor is run by a very young group of guys. But when I was there waiting. They all seemed friendly and helpful. Everyone that walked in, I heard one of them would greet the customer and asked if they needed help.

An old man did come with a Glock box thinking It was mine.... I chalked it up to old man syndrome .... lol.

As of right now, I have no issues recommending them for transfers or purchases. Prices seemed fair.

Here's your first fucking clue.  



Now why in the FUCK would I tell someone to use my SSN if I hadn't provided it in the first fucking place.

You win a perfect for that post.

since you got butt hurt you never said  that you wrote it on the 4473.  but always 2 sides to this story. I would love to hear their side. What shop was this?

But I'm sure we never will.