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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The party cannot tell you can't run as a republican, anybody can run under any banner they choose to, they can't control who runs, they can either support them, or not, but they can't stop them, and Trump just happen to have enough money to not need them to begin with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another one that has me scratching my head is why the republican party let Trump run under its banner if it did not want him? Does not make any sense at all and just makes that circus look more what it is, a circus. The party cannot tell you can't run as a republican, anybody can run under any banner they choose to, they can't control who runs, they can either support them, or not, but they can't stop them, and Trump just happen to have enough money to not need them to begin with. The party owns the intellectual property/trademarks.
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone please explain what a "conservative" and a "republican" are, please? I see those terms used all over the place and even the definitions seem quite broad. Another one that has me scratching my head is why the republican party let Trump run under its banner if it did not want him? Does not make any sense at all and just makes that circus look more what it is, a circus. 1) The fact that the Republican Party bends over backwards to have as-big-a-tent-as-possible is part of why we are here... We let people who believe in socialist/economic-nationalist policies (like trade tariffs) think they were 'Conservative'... We let people who love big government, but just want to make it work better think they were 'Conservative'... Come on in, we stand for absolutely-nothing other than not-voting-for-Democrats... 2) The party establishment (in the traditional term, rather than 'everyone who hates Trump') was so petrified that Trump would go Ross Perot & run 3rd party if told to get-the-hell-out back in September (Which is what SHOULD have happened), that they refused to take any action against him until it was too late.. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump can't do any worse than the shit sandwiches the GOP has been serving us for the last 30 years either have or would have done. He easily can. There's not enough difference between Trump, Hillary, and Obama to make any of them better than the other... At least the so-called 'shit sandwiches' believed in SOME of the party platform... Trump is a 1-way ticket back-to-the-bad-old-days... |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 11:05:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Statistically, Trump is the only option to possibly defeat Clinton 2.0 this time. I'm no Trump fan. I've posted in more than a few threads regarding my distrust of him. At absolute best, he's a wild card; a gamble (No pun, but how appropriate). But, there's no one else on the R-ticket who could actually garner the votes to possibly win. None of them will get close. Trump is it. That's just the pathetic state of our country right now. Statistically, it's either Trump or Clinton. We're stuck holding our noses. We all know what Clinton will do. She's a non-option, making Trump the only realistic choice. We're just stuck in this sh!t sandwich situation. The issue is, do we WANT what Trump is serving to become the new ideology of the GOP. I don't. I would rather spend 4-8 more years in-the-minority, to keep Pat Buchannan & his ilk (Trump's puppetmasters) out in the cold where they belong... Than give up on conservatism/free-marketeer absolutism, and let the GOP turn into the 'Party of everyone who's been kicked out of the Dems'... Because that is what Trump is selling - he's pushing to bring the folks who are no longer 'convenient' for the Democrats - blue collar white union members - into the GOP... And all of their entitlement-loving, business-hating rubbish will come in along with them... I never thought I'd see the day when a Republican nominee sounds more like 'Occupy Wall Street' and 'Code Pink' than Ronald Reagan or Milton Friedman. But here we are. He has to go down. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:30:27 AM EDT
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LOL, maybe you'll win the lottery, too.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:35:46 AM EDT
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The issue is, do we WANT what Trump is serving to become the new ideology of the GOP. I don't. I would rather spend 4-8 more years in-the-minority, to keep Pat Buchannan & his ilk (Trump's puppetmasters) out in the cold where they belong... Than give up on conservatism/free-marketeer absolutism, and let the GOP turn into the 'Party of everyone who's been kicked out of the Dems'... Because that is what Trump is selling - he's pushing to bring the folks who are no longer 'convenient' for the Democrats - blue collar white union members - into the GOP... And all of their entitlement-loving, business-hating rubbish will come in along with them... I never thought I'd see the day when a Republican nominee sounds more like 'Occupy Wall Street' and 'Code Pink' than Ronald Reagan or Milton Friedman. But here we are. He has to go down. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Statistically, Trump is the only option to possibly defeat Clinton 2.0 this time. I'm no Trump fan. I've posted in more than a few threads regarding my distrust of him. At absolute best, he's a wild card; a gamble (No pun, but how appropriate). But, there's no one else on the R-ticket who could actually garner the votes to possibly win. None of them will get close. Trump is it. That's just the pathetic state of our country right now. Statistically, it's either Trump or Clinton. We're stuck holding our noses. We all know what Clinton will do. She's a non-option, making Trump the only realistic choice. We're just stuck in this sh!t sandwich situation. The issue is, do we WANT what Trump is serving to become the new ideology of the GOP. I don't. I would rather spend 4-8 more years in-the-minority, to keep Pat Buchannan & his ilk (Trump's puppetmasters) out in the cold where they belong... Than give up on conservatism/free-marketeer absolutism, and let the GOP turn into the 'Party of everyone who's been kicked out of the Dems'... Because that is what Trump is selling - he's pushing to bring the folks who are no longer 'convenient' for the Democrats - blue collar white union members - into the GOP... And all of their entitlement-loving, business-hating rubbish will come in along with them... I never thought I'd see the day when a Republican nominee sounds more like 'Occupy Wall Street' and 'Code Pink' than Ronald Reagan or Milton Friedman. But here we are. He has to go down. Okay, enjoy voting for Clinton then. Because you can't get everything you want, you would rather have a dem continue the wrecking ball for the next 4-8 years, and completely pack the supreme court, so that every piece of shit that sticks to the wall will remain there for the foreseeable future. . Trump was never my pick, but I'm sure as shit going to vote for him, because anything other than that is a vote for Clinton. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 5:49:37 AM EDT
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SC hangs in that balance. It's about more than just the 2nd. The sociopolitical divide in this country is becoming a veritable canyon. I have to wonder if this country will survive itself. Is fascism our future?
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Posted: 5/22/2016 10:16:29 AM EDT
[#8]
Sounds like most of you guys are voting for Hillary.
We will be truly fucked on our gun rights, if she gets in. The NRA and US Border Patrol are now endorsing Trump. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:30:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like most of you guys are voting for Hillary. We will be truly fucked on our gun rights, if she gets in. The NRA and US Border Patrol are now endorsing Trump. This. Two choices- hillary or not hillary. Im with anybody but hillary. Anybody. And that includes Lucifer. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:52:55 PM EDT
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You think Obama was a good gun salesman, just wait, if Clinton gets elected, it will set records in historic proportions!
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because you can't get everything you want, you would rather have a dem continue the wrecking ball for the next 4-8 years, and completely pack the supreme court, so that every piece of shit that sticks to the wall will remain there for the foreseeable future. . I don't see how that doesn't happen if Trump wins. Trump is a con. He' still a liberal, still anti-gun, and lying about it because he wants to be President. I fully expect the Donald Trump of the pre-2010 era to come roaring back as soon as he gets elected - and to run the nation the way Bloomberg ran New York. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SC hangs in that balance. It's about more than just the 2nd. The sociopolitical divide in this country is becoming a veritable canyon. I have to wonder if this country will survive itself. Is fascism our future? |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:39:33 PM EDT
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I don't see how that doesn't happen if Trump wins. Trump is a con. He' still a liberal, still anti-gun, and lying about it because he wants to be President. I fully expect the Donald Trump of the pre-2010 era to come roaring back as soon as he gets elected - and to run the nation the way Bloomberg ran New York. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because you can't get everything you want, you would rather have a dem continue the wrecking ball for the next 4-8 years, and completely pack the supreme court, so that every piece of shit that sticks to the wall will remain there for the foreseeable future. . I don't see how that doesn't happen if Trump wins. Trump is a con. He' still a liberal, still anti-gun, and lying about it because he wants to be President. I fully expect the Donald Trump of the pre-2010 era to come roaring back as soon as he gets elected - and to run the nation the way Bloomberg ran New York. Just about any politician can be a turn coat, has happened many times in the past and will probably happen many times in the future, but if we all thought that way, we would never elect anybody. Typical WA State pessimist that I remember when I lived there! You are either a liberal or a pessimist when you live in WA. 
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Posted: 5/22/2016 4:05:39 PM EDT
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We lost the Court the day Trump became the 'presumed nominee'... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SC hangs in that balance. It's about more than just the 2nd. The sociopolitical divide in this country is becoming a veritable canyon. I have to wonder if this country will survive itself. Is fascism our future? We lost the Court the day Trump became the 'presumed nominee'... We actually gained a chance of keeping it and even strengthening it in our favor the day Trump became the presumed nominee. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 10:53:35 PM EDT
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This. Two choices- hillary or not hillary. Im with anybody but hillary. Anybody. And that includes Lucifer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like most of you guys are voting for Hillary. We will be truly fucked on our gun rights, if she gets in. The NRA and US Border Patrol are now endorsing Trump. This. Two choices- hillary or not hillary. Im with anybody but hillary. Anybody. And that includes Lucifer. +1 |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 10:56:54 PM EDT
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1) The fact that the Republican Party bends over backwards to have as-big-a-tent-as-possible is part of why we are here... We let people who believe in socialist/economic-nationalist policies (like trade tariffs) think they were 'Conservative'... We let people who love big government, but just want to make it work better think they were 'Conservative'... Come on in, we stand for absolutely-nothing other than not-voting-for-Democrats... 2) The party establishment (in the traditional term, rather than 'everyone who hates Trump') was so petrified that Trump would go Ross Perot & run 3rd party if told to get-the-hell-out back in September (Which is what SHOULD have happened), that they refused to take any action against him until it was too late.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone please explain what a "conservative" and a "republican" are, please? I see those terms used all over the place and even the definitions seem quite broad. Another one that has me scratching my head is why the republican party let Trump run under its banner if it did not want him? Does not make any sense at all and just makes that circus look more what it is, a circus. 1) The fact that the Republican Party bends over backwards to have as-big-a-tent-as-possible is part of why we are here... We let people who believe in socialist/economic-nationalist policies (like trade tariffs) think they were 'Conservative'... We let people who love big government, but just want to make it work better think they were 'Conservative'... Come on in, we stand for absolutely-nothing other than not-voting-for-Democrats... 2) The party establishment (in the traditional term, rather than 'everyone who hates Trump') was so petrified that Trump would go Ross Perot & run 3rd party if told to get-the-hell-out back in September (Which is what SHOULD have happened), that they refused to take any action against him until it was too late.. This is why I asked the question, which was a bit rhetorical. "Conservative" nowadays lost the meaning that many are trying to make it appear to be. I think it's easier to redefine what "conservative" means having Trump in the White House than having that criminal over there. Of she gets in forget about any chance to the republican party ever be what it was. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:44:02 AM EDT
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Dave A,
You must live in Seattle! |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:56:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dave A, You must live in Seattle! Nope, outer Yelm. I have very little taste for big-city liberals like Trump, and I do not believe any of his last-minute 'conversions' from previously stated support for gun-control & other liberal issues. He's on record backing a higher minimum wage, in the last 2 months... On record backing higher taxes in the last 2 months. On record spouting CodePink antwar BS in a GOP debate. On record supporting an assault weapons ban. Repeatedly & consistantly supports using tariffs to restructure the economy, so as to pay off his supporters with things they don't deserve. The man is Bloomberg Redux. He doesn't know what 'conservatisim' is, and thus I have no faith that he will nominate anyone more-conservative than Sandra Day O'Connor (A Reagan nominee, BTW) to the Supreme Court. Plus... WA goes blue no matter what we do. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:58:41 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We actually gained a chance of keeping it and even strengthening it in our favor the day Trump became the presumed nominee. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: SC hangs in that balance. It's about more than just the 2nd. The sociopolitical divide in this country is becoming a veritable canyon. I have to wonder if this country will survive itself. Is fascism our future? We lost the Court the day Trump became the 'presumed nominee'... We actually gained a chance of keeping it and even strengthening it in our favor the day Trump became the presumed nominee. Sorry, I don't buy it. Once a lib, always a lib. Especially when he is still saying liberal rubbish AFTER he became the presumed nominee. Someone who sounds like Bernie Sanders on trade, minimum wage & taxes... Will not pick conservative justices. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's easier to redefine what "conservative" means having Trump in the White House than having that criminal over there. Of she gets in forget about any chance to the republican party ever be what it was. I think that if Trump wins, 'Conservative' will mean 'populist', and the GOP will be absorbed into the Democrats' ideological orbit... Instead of having a (Somewhat) conservative party & a liberal one... We will have a rich-city-liberal party (Dem) and a poor-blue-collar-liberal-party (GOP). Those of us who want free trade, aggressive foreign policy, and minimal regulation will be left out in the cold... In favor of 'screw the white-collar people, tax everything & use it to buy votes'... Oh, and he'll sell out gun-rights on the first chance, because that's what New Yorkers do. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:49:39 PM EDT
[#21]
free trade is awesome... inside of america.
it doesn't seem to me to work when third world countries can consistently undercut our labor on every turn with child workers. I would love to see Trump fuck with China at every opportunity |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 3:00:31 PM EDT
[#22]
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free trade is awesome... inside of america. it doesn't seem to me to work when third world countries can consistently undercut our labor on every turn with child workers. I would love to see Trump fuck with China at every opportunity I would love to see anyone fuck with China at every opportunity! |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:49:42 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: free trade is awesome... inside of america. it doesn't seem to me to work when third world countries can consistently undercut our labor on every turn with child workers. I would love to see Trump fuck with China at every opportunity The US produces more manufactured goods (By inflation-adjusted value) than any time in our history. We just do it without hiring people, because automation is cheaper & more reliable. Attempts to 'save' factory jobs simply buck this trend - and the invisible hand always beats government central-planning any day... Even the Chinese are automating their factories now (in the face of competition from even-cheaper-labor) - propping up 'manufacturing jobs' with govt subsidies/protection/tariffs is simply ignoring a problem that will *never* get better - the future-value of human manufacturing labor (as automation continues to improve) is about-zero. Beyond that, Chinese made products offer us a way to keep prices down & are a net-positive for the majority of Americans (who have no career-connection to manual-labor-intensive manufacturing, but benefit from the cheaper charge-card bill at the end of the month)... 'Fucking with' China is fucking with the entire white-collar citizenry of this country - along with the large chunk of blue-collar workers who don't manufacture anything... Taking their money & redistributing it to members of an economically dying career-path, who have had 20-30 years to retrain by-their-own-initiative, to buy their votes. No different than when the Dems hand out welfare cash to pay off *their* voters... It is not government's job to pick winners & losers - this applies just as much to UAW workers as it does to CEOs. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 2:01:21 AM EDT
[#24]
Dave A,
You are using some outdated things. US Border Patrol endorsed Trump. NRA Endorsed Trump. He is not the establishment politician. He is still learning. Look up Trump's website and read what he is pledging about the Second Amendment. - I don't think you have. I can guarantee you one thing - If the evil witch is elected - you Will kiss your your guns goodbye. And this country. So Dave A, look at his website and get back to me. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 6:02:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Don't get caught in _a trap. ;)
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Posted: 5/26/2016 10:10:40 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't get caught in _a trap. ;) I don't do that anymore.
Haven't since I got let back in. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 10:21:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dave A, You are using some outdated things. US Border Patrol endorsed Trump. NRA Endorsed Trump. He is not the establishment politician. He is still learning. Look up Trump's website and read what he is pledging about the Second Amendment. - I don't think you have. I can guarantee you one thing - If the evil witch is elected - you Will kiss your your guns goodbye. And this country. So Dave A, look at his website and get back to me. Prior to this election cycle, Trump was a reliable by-the-book Democrat. A kissing-cousin to Hillary on all things ideological. Anti-gun/pro-AWB, pro-higher-taxes, a HUGE fan of single-payer healthcare... The source material (a book he wrote, multiple interviews) to prove it is everywhere... He may have gone full-birther around 2012, but he was STILL ideologically liberal up until last year when he decided to run for President. Over the course of the campaign, he has pledged support for single-payer healthcare in a GOP debate... He has claimed Bush lied about Iraq, in a GOP debate. Less than 2 months ago, he advocated higher taxes AND a higher minimum wage. This indicates that he is no more trustworthy than Hillary, and is just saying whatever he thinks people want to hear in order to get elected. This means that, given the question of 'which Donald Trump will be President', I fully expect the old, liberal one to 'turn back up' should he be elected & start ramming through liberal BS like single-payer, higher-taxes, and Bloomberg-style gun control. Because it's 'what the people want' or whatever rubbish he would come up with to excuse it... Similarly, since the man does not know what 'Conservative' means (as he thinks his far-left policies on trade, war & taxes are such) I do not trust him to nominate conservatives to the Supreme Court. I expect the same sort of judges Clinton would put up, because that is how people from NYC think. Old dogs don't learn new tricks. The *only* difference I can see between Trump & Clinton, is that the 'establishment' would actually say NO to Hillary. And that we would still have a conservative party in the US in 2020 fighting against Clinton - whereas if Trump wins our next candidate will be another of left-wing nationalist/populist just like him... P.S. The Presidency is not a position where OJT is acceptable. Look how badly Obama did, and he at least had *some* experience. Trump has NONE. 'He's learning' is not a vote of confidence... Go be governor of NY & 'learn' there, Donnie (Also, grow a voting record that proves you're not a Dem in sheep's clothing)... |
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Posted: 5/27/2016 4:11:47 PM EDT
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I would agree that Trump is not an ideal alternative to the dawg. At best, he's a wild card. The question is, what other choice is there? Because we're down to the wire, & there no other statistically feasible candidates besides him or the dawg. That's all we get this round. Any other (write-in) is a lone cry in the wilderness.
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Posted: 5/27/2016 4:49:29 PM EDT
[#29]
I don't care which check box you mark, which name you write in, if you don't vote for Trump, then you are voting for Clinton, simple as that, we have two choices, Trump or Clinton, any vote for a 3 party is a vote for Clinton, so either you are voting for Trump or you are voting for Clinton, if you vote for Clinton, then you are voting against yourself when it comes to guns.
Plain and simple. If you have to go to the polls with your nose pinched, we simply cannot allow Clinton to take the White House. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 4:09:50 PM EDT
[#30]
So Dave A,
you obviously didn't look at his website. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 4:29:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
So Dave A, you obviously didn't look at his website. He thinks Trump is a pathological liar. To quote the candidate he wants to see as our next President: "At this point, what difference does it make?" He's not going to believe anything Trump or Trump's website says. Irrational. But it is what it is. No sense arguing with those sort of fanatical #NeverTrump devotees. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 7:05:02 PM EDT
[#32]
True that.
I'm voting for Trump! |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 4:15:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Damn,
Been a while since I have been in here. Simple. ANYBODY BUT HILLARY. Period. |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 5:35:56 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, Been a while since I have been in here. Simple. ANYBODY BUT HILLARY. Period.  |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 3:01:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Dave A, you obviously didn't look at his website. You obviously aren't familiar with any of his books, the TV interviews he's given in the past (such as when he explicitly supported a new AWB), etc... I will take 'Trump is who he's been for the previous 60+ years of his life' over 'Trump has had a magical tent-revival conversion, conveniently right before the start of the election season, and become a half-assed Pat Buchanan wanna-be'. I am not interested in whatever rubbish he is selling today. Trump ceasing to be a Democrat, is about as believable as me becoming a Ron Paul libertarian. The fact that he pushes the old-school union-label-Democrat line on trade & foreign policy makes the rest of his 'conversion' seem quite unbelievable... Yes, Hillary sucks. Trump is Woodrow Wilson's ghost with a little New-Deal-loving FDR & Lindbergh-style isolationisim/dictator-worship mixed in. I can't support either of them. Of course, this is a moot point for all of us, as Washington's EVs would go to a dead rat if the Democrats nominated it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2016 1:24:47 AM EDT
[#36]
You might as well be voting for Hitlery.
The western slope rain has dampened your outlook. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 4:10:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might as well be voting for Hitlery. The western slope rain has dampened your outlook. Technically, our entire state (our EVs) is stuck 'voting for HRC' because of the brainwashed morons in the Sea-Tac metro blob. On one hand, it saves us the campaign ad blitz (I grew up in WI, which is perennially competitive - even if it usually votes Dem in the end, it's always close)... On the other, it kind of sucks that no matter who you vote for for Prez, all of WA's EVs are going to whatever socialist nutball the Dems nominate... Unless someone can find a magical way to reverse the California migration & flush out 'San Fran, North' (Er, Seattle) |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 11:45:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Dave A,
You are stuck in the past. Here's an idea: Vote for Trunp. He will beat Hitlery, mark my words. |
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Posted: 6/2/2016 1:25:12 PM EDT
[#39]
I'm sort of looking forward to the R finally standing up to the D candidate for a change.
Normally the D candidate will say some horrible mean spirited thing about the R, and the R will tuck tail and whine. Somehow I don't see that happening with Trump 
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Posted: 6/2/2016 5:04:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dave A, You are stuck in the past. Here's an idea: Vote for Trunp. He will beat Hitlery, mark my words. And he will kill conservatism (replacing it with a left-leaning nationalist-populisim) if he does.
It's a doom-doom scenario. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 12:51:07 AM EDT
[#41]
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And he will kill conservatism (replacing it with a left-leaning nationalist-populisim) if he does. It's a doom-doom scenario. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dave A, You are stuck in the past. Here's an idea: Vote for Trunp. He will beat Hitlery, mark my words. And he will kill conservatism (replacing it with a left-leaning nationalist-populisim) if he does. It's a doom-doom scenario. I believe you may be wrong on this one Dave, we know what we will get with Hillary, we have a chance with Trump. If you sit back and do nothing, then you are no better than those who will try to take our rights away, but the choice is yours, it is still a free country for at least a while. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 1:14:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe you may be wrong on this one Dave, we know what we will get with Hillary, we have a chance with Trump. If you sit back and do nothing, then you are no better than those who will try to take our rights away, but the choice is yours, it is still a free country for at least a while. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dave A, You are stuck in the past. Here's an idea: Vote for Trunp. He will beat Hitlery, mark my words. And he will kill conservatism (replacing it with a left-leaning nationalist-populisim) if he does. It's a doom-doom scenario. I believe you may be wrong on this one Dave, we know what we will get with Hillary, we have a chance with Trump. If you sit back and do nothing, then you are no better than those who will try to take our rights away, but the choice is yours, it is still a free country for at least a while. I have a chance of fucking Taylor Swift or winning the Powerball. I don't live my life based on leaving important decisions to chance. I'm going to sit back and not vote for Trump. No vote for Hillary, The Donald, or anyone else for President. I have that luxury because once again, it makes NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE how anyone votes in WA state. Show me how Trump plans on overcoming the 600,000-800,000+ cushion that Democrats typically get in this state largely because of King, Pierce and Snohomish County. It's not The Voice or American Idol. The Electoral College, how does it work? Montana=Vote for Trump...... You can still make a difference over there(for now....enjoy it. MT is on it's way to turning purple) but for us here in WA, voting for Trump, the Boogeyman, OJ, or the 'Noid is just pissing in the wind. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 1:39:53 AM EDT
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Really??? I have a chance of fucking Taylor Swift or winning the Powerball. I don't live my life based on leaving important decisions to chance. I'm going to sit back and not vote for Trump. No vote for Hillary, The Donald, or anyone else for President. I have that luxury because once again, it makes NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE how anyone votes in WA state. Show me how Trump plans on overcoming the 600,000-800,000+ cushion that Democrats typically get in this state largely because of King, Pierce and Snohomish County. It's not The Voice or American Idol. The Electoral College, how does it work? Montana=Vote for Trump...... You can still make a difference over there(for now....enjoy it. MT is on it's way to turning purple) but for us here in WA, voting for Trump, the Boogeyman, OJ, or the 'Noid is just pissing in the wind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dave A, You are stuck in the past. Here's an idea: Vote for Trunp. He will beat Hitlery, mark my words. And he will kill conservatism (replacing it with a left-leaning nationalist-populisim) if he does. It's a doom-doom scenario. I believe you may be wrong on this one Dave, we know what we will get with Hillary, we have a chance with Trump. If you sit back and do nothing, then you are no better than those who will try to take our rights away, but the choice is yours, it is still a free country for at least a while. I'm going to sit back and not vote for Trump. No vote for Hillary, The Donald, or anyone else for President. I have that luxury because once again, it makes NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE how anyone votes in WA state. Show me how Trump plans on overcoming the 600,000-800,000+ cushion that Democrats typically get in this state largely because of King, Pierce and Snohomish County. It's not The Voice or American Idol. The Electoral College, how does it work? Montana=Vote for Trump...... You can still make a difference over there(for now....enjoy it. MT is on it's way to turning purple) but for us here in WA, voting for Trump, the Boogeyman, OJ, or the 'Noid is just pissing in the wind. Wow, that was quite a rant, purple, not going to happen, there are blue areas of the state but the majority still vote red when it counts. But again, I have to commend you, that was quite a rant! Thank god our country is still free enough that you can slip off into a rant like that! I commend you. Fucking Taylor Swift, god, what a nightmare! Yikes, that would be horrible. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 8:13:21 AM EDT
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One more time slowly...
If you don't vote against Hillary, you are allowing a vote for her to go unchallenged. Pragmatic electoral analysis means something to you, but unless you can see the future, means nothing in reality. Bernie folks will be disenfranchised and unpredictable... |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 10:50:45 AM EDT
[#45]
I cant believe some of you gun owner's on the wet side of the state.
Let's All vote for Trump, or our Great Country will be totally Fucked with Hitlery for 8 years, following the socialist pig. |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 3:19:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I cant believe some of you gun owner's on the wet side of the state. Let's All vote for Trump, or our Great Country will be totally Fucked with Hitlery for 8 years, following the socialist pig. Trump is just as much of a socialist pig. Wearing a little smear of populist lipstick & openly announcing that the GOP should not be a conservative party ("This is the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party")... Only difference is which 'grievance groups' he wants to throw the spoils to. Do what you wish, I'm not voting for *either* of them (such that it matters in a hard-blue state like WA). McCain was bad. Romney was nothing to get excited about... But I could find some level of actual conservative ideology behind both... Trump is a straight-up liberal, and well past the event-horizon of nose-holding. 'Government should not pick winners & losers, or otherwise pander to people's grievances' is a line that the GOP should never cross. Once we cross it, we become no different from the Dems, handing out freebies & government favors to buy votes... |
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Posted: 6/3/2016 11:05:31 PM EDT
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Trump is just as much of a socialist pig. Wearing a little smear of populist lipstick & openly announcing that the GOP should not be a conservative party ("This is the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party")... Only difference is which 'grievance groups' he wants to throw the spoils to. Do what you wish, I'm not voting for *either* of them (such that it matters in a hard-blue state like WA). McCain was bad. Romney was nothing to get excited about... But I could find some level of actual conservative ideology behind both... Trump is a straight-up liberal, and well past the event-horizon of nose-holding. 'Government should not pick winners & losers, or otherwise pander to people's grievances' is a line that the GOP should never cross. Once we cross it, we become no different from the Dems, handing out freebies & government favors to buy votes... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cant believe some of you gun owner's on the wet side of the state. Let's All vote for Trump, or our Great Country will be totally Fucked with Hitlery for 8 years, following the socialist pig. Trump is just as much of a socialist pig. Wearing a little smear of populist lipstick & openly announcing that the GOP should not be a conservative party ("This is the Republican Party, not the Conservative Party")... Only difference is which 'grievance groups' he wants to throw the spoils to. Do what you wish, I'm not voting for *either* of them (such that it matters in a hard-blue state like WA). McCain was bad. Romney was nothing to get excited about... But I could find some level of actual conservative ideology behind both... Trump is a straight-up liberal, and well past the event-horizon of nose-holding. 'Government should not pick winners & losers, or otherwise pander to people's grievances' is a line that the GOP should never cross. Once we cross it, we become no different from the Dems, handing out freebies & government favors to buy votes... Maybe. Maybe not. Is there any other viable candidate with a better platform? Because I'm not seeing any at this juncture. A "conscience vote" is meaningless outside of the (only 2) viable options. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 12:39:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe. Maybe not. Is there any other viable candidate with a better platform? Because I'm not seeing any at this juncture. A "conscience vote" is meaningless outside of the (only 2) viable options. McCain in the 2000 primaries, Bush in both elections, McCain again in 2008, and Romney in 2012. I've given my fair share to the Republican Party as well. Plenty of Lincoln Day Lunches/Dinners and end of the year donations to the national party organization. Always on the hope that they would come around and re-embrace conservative principals. They haven't and as such, I'm done. Unless a candidate articulates a conservative platform and can back it up with either a deep knowledge or past actions, having an R next to your name doesn't mean shit to me anymore. But, don't let that make you think that I'm voting for Democrats now because there isn't a chance in this life that would ever happen. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 4:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its America, so do what you want to do, but once Hillary is elected to the Presidency and she issues an executive order banning ALL semi-auto rifles, ALL hi-cap rifle/pistol magazines AND tax the hell out of ALL ammunition, then don't bitch... Don't forget that she will also be putting her "people" in the Supreme Court for life.... Again, don't bitch when the courts will side with Hillary and the extreme left. There is no way I would ever vote for Hillary or am I on the "Trump Train," but I will be voting for Trump regardless since "I" value my gun rights. Yes, it sucks, but I'm going for the lesser of the two evils... Hell, I would have even voted for Rubio, Cruz or even Jeb Bush if they were the one running against Hillary. The truth is that no matter what, either Hillary or Trump WILL be the next President of the United States. Forget about any dreams of Hillary ever going to jail since I'm pretty sure she already has a Presidential Pardon from Obama sitting in her safe and will use it when its time to. Again, do what you want, that's your God given right as a citizen, but remember that by sitting out of this election in protest against Trump "IS" without a question, is a vote for Hillary and the old, tired ways of politics in the country. As said earlier, at least Trump answers questions without doing the B.S. Washington D.C. "side-step." Heck, I was for Carly Fiorina or Ben Carson, but neither of them made a solid sell to the American voters... If you're still butt-hurt that your guy/gal didn't make it, please get over it and vote for the person that will do the least damage to the country and to our gun rights. |
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Posted: 6/4/2016 5:10:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) The fact that the Republican Party bends over backwards to have as-big-a-tent-as-possible is part of why we are here... We let people who believe in socialist/economic-nationalist policies (like trade tariffs) think they were 'Conservative'... We let people who love big government, but just want to make it work better think they were 'Conservative'... Come on in, we stand for absolutely-nothing other than not-voting-for-Democrats... 2) The party establishment (in the traditional term, rather than 'everyone who hates Trump') was so petrified that Trump would go Ross Perot & run 3rd party if told to get-the-hell-out back in September (Which is what SHOULD have happened), that they refused to take any action against him until it was too late.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Someone please explain what a "conservative" and a "republican" are, please? I see those terms used all over the place and even the definitions seem quite broad. Another one that has me scratching my head is why the republican party let Trump run under its banner if it did not want him? Does not make any sense at all and just makes that circus look more what it is, a circus. 1) The fact that the Republican Party bends over backwards to have as-big-a-tent-as-possible is part of why we are here... We let people who believe in socialist/economic-nationalist policies (like trade tariffs) think they were 'Conservative'... We let people who love big government, but just want to make it work better think they were 'Conservative'... Come on in, we stand for absolutely-nothing other than not-voting-for-Democrats... 2) The party establishment (in the traditional term, rather than 'everyone who hates Trump') was so petrified that Trump would go Ross Perot & run 3rd party if told to get-the-hell-out back in September (Which is what SHOULD have happened), that they refused to take any action against him until it was too late.. It sounds like you are describing the very things Trump believes in. I was going to vote Trump—despite my complete distrust of everything he now says he is—until his recent tirade against the judge trying his Trump U case. He doesn't belong within 1000 miles of the White House, IMO. He's a race-baiting POS, not unlike our current race-baiting POS president. I'll be writing in Micky Mouse, or my own name, or maybe even voting Libertarian. It doesn't matter in this state who I vote for. This state would gleefully elect Bernie Sanders, and might just. |
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