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Posted: 10/19/2015 3:02:25 PM EDT
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In Before The FUCK The WAC Crowd My take on what a gunshow is best for is probably different than most; I didn't think of it as a trip to the mall or grocery store where I had a list of items I was going to get. Sure they're be the trip where I want lowers, or uppers, bullets, or ammunition but it was more of a flea market to me. Looking at the tables and finding something I didn't know I wanted/ I haven't been to a WAC show in several years, I had a work schedule that didn't agree with attending. For awhile before that the shows had been less enjoyable for me as the massive crowds had made the socializing aspect of the show which as the best part of them for me far too difficult to do. Sure the occasional prize was still hiding in plain sight on a table but again the over sized crowd made if a little more difficult to find. #1Gunshows are a place for gun people to gather. |
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Posted: 10/19/2015 4:12:47 PM EDT
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I love going to gunshows and always have looked forward to going, usually just to look and see whats new or available.
I can get good ideas and check out the products and even ask questions about a particular item. There are vendors that I even chat with regularly and they are good supporters of the WAC also. I just think the people running these shows might need to change the business model as its obvious that vendors are not showing up for some reason. I have been a WAC member for many years and still like to support the local community and the firearms industry as well as local vendors. I want to attend gunshows and want to see even more gunshows but something isn't right and its been in the last year or so. Whatever it is, its a slump and sure makes this once popular show a bit boring to say the least. If there is great stuff at good prices I'll spend some money there, simple as that. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/19/2015 5:40:52 PM EDT
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I think it's 594, new rules at WAC and just greed that has the gun shows going under.
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Posted: 10/19/2015 6:00:16 PM EDT
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Gun shows started sucking when the internet became the place to find deals.
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Posted: 10/19/2015 8:06:27 PM EDT
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It didn't help that modern rifle deer season opened last weekend.
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Posted: 10/19/2015 11:19:09 PM EDT
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It didn't help that modern rifle deer season opened last weekend. Stop making logical conclusions...this is ARF-COM!!! 
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Posted: 10/20/2015 12:41:07 AM EDT
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Just wait for the election panic to kick in high gear and the WAC shows will be shoulder to shoulder once again...
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Posted: 10/21/2015 1:19:14 PM EDT
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Ventured out there last sunday before the hawks game, it was really slow. Prices are all higher than online, but SAA did have some pmags for a good price $9 for FDE AND OD m2 30's, so I grabbed some of those. Like mentioned above I am sure the place will be packed again as election time draws nearer next year, especially depending on which way it looks like the tide is going...
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Posted: 10/21/2015 3:45:10 PM EDT
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Last weekend's show was very quiet, but the previous Monroe show was surprisingly busy. I suspect the hunting season opening was the big influence.
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Posted: 10/30/2015 7:35:23 PM EDT
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This last Monroe show I got to fondle an MPX and Scorpion EVO, and was a bit surprised that his prices for them was fair.
I hope it doesn't die, I do like to spend some time at any show I can get to. |
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Posted: 11/4/2015 1:04:33 PM EDT
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I also think 594 is a big factor. The WAC charging $10 for a transfer is BS.
The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 1:37:17 AM EDT
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Gun shows died when the 'net became the place to get parts-kits & similar...
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Posted: 11/5/2015 5:54:49 AM EDT
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According to the powers that be I go to gun shows for the loop holes .
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Posted: 11/5/2015 3:42:21 PM EDT
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I also think 594 is a big factor. The WAC charging $10 for a transfer is BS. The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. The WAC as an organization doesn't do the transfers, it's individual dealers that volunteer to do them and they are the ones getting the $10. If you think $10 is an unfair amount, try doing all the work involved, which isn't just a phone call and having the buyer fill out a 4473. I've worked selling guns in the past and doing transfers takes a lot more time than you think, so in the big scheme of things $10 is more than fair. The problem lies in the 594 law, not the WAC. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 5:32:34 PM EDT
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The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. This is a very valid point. |
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Posted: 11/5/2015 5:36:29 PM EDT
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The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore)
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Posted: 11/6/2015 3:36:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a very valid point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. This is a very valid point. Make an early entry time for members to keep them happy. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 8:29:27 PM EDT
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I havent been to a show or renewed since......
Marty & Clint. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 10:50:45 PM EDT
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This is a very valid point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. This is a very valid point. Agree. To survive, they're going to have to change their rules with 594 being the law. |
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Posted: 11/6/2015 11:41:26 PM EDT
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Agree. To survive, they're going to have to change their rules with 594 being the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. This is a very valid point. Agree. To survive, they're going to have to change their rules with 594 being the law. They're a club... that happens to promote gunshows... that's going to be an interesting conversation... |
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Posted: 11/7/2015 4:50:19 PM EDT
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I stopped going when I realized it was the same overpriced junk month after month after month. I'm sure there is a deal or two occasionally but I'm not willing to wade through all the shit to find it.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 7:40:38 PM EDT
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I went today. Best deal of the show I saw was $750 Colt 6920's new in the box. That's the cheapest I've ever seen them.
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Posted: 11/7/2015 7:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went today. Best deal of the show I saw was $750 Colt 6920's new in the box. That's the cheapest I've ever seen them. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 3:02:53 PM EDT
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I havent been to a show or renewed since...... Marty & Clint. Marty Hayes & Clint Smith? I must have missed that. I let my WAC membership lapse about ten years ago and haven't paid much attention since. |
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Posted: 11/8/2015 11:59:43 PM EDT
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More 594 than anything.
The only people who do shows anymore are dealers or the regular non dealers you see at every show who don't give a $hit about 594. 594 has scared off the avg collector/gun owner getting a table to clear out the closet or raising some quick cash, these are the types who always have the good deals..... The Nov Spokane show is usually a big show regardless of hunting season and it was dead this weekend compared to previous yrs. Less guns, people, tables but twice the tables of non gun junk. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 11:25:04 PM EDT
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It's been dwindling... since like 1992.
Must have gotten worse. Haven't been back since '95 |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 11:09:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore) Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 12:40:54 PM EDT
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Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore) Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. That wouldn't surprise me. When I was doing storage unit auctions back in 2004 the swap meet started requiring people to fill out tax forms on what they'd sold that day and turn it in with whatever sales tax you'd collected. Odd that I never really sold very much after that. Sure gave a lot away though 
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Posted: 11/10/2015 10:10:47 PM EDT
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Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore) Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. That's exactly what happened as far as I've been told. |
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Posted: 11/10/2015 10:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore) Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. I used to be a pretty big WAC white knight. Now... I'm fine just paying entry when I need to load up on .38 super for the year and calling it good. |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 7:22:51 PM EDT
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Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The diversity was killed when they started pressuring people towards having FFL's, and limiting how often non-ffl holders got free tables. The ratio of FFL holders to private sales has basically inverted completely from when I started going as a kid with my pops in the late 80's/ early 90's. (Fortunately we bought something every time we went for a long time, because the deals are not there anymore) Weren't they backed into a corner by the department of revenue on that? I'm recalling something about an ongoing table renter is in business, must have a business license, and WAC has to turn over records if they continue. There had been an agreement in place with DOR with a threshold on the dollar amount for table rental for vendors to be considered amateurs (for lack of a better term). WAC deemed it necessary to raise table rental rates to increase revenue. The increase broke the threshold maximum and WAC had to change the rules for amateur status. The change must have had the opposite to the desired effect because the number of tables at the shows, particularly Monroe, decreased significantly. One has to wonder what the effect has been on revenue. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:58:14 PM EDT
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The WAC as an organization doesn't do the transfers, it's individual dealers that volunteer to do them and they are the ones getting the $10. If you think $10 is an unfair amount, try doing all the work involved, which isn't just a phone call and having the buyer fill out a 4473. I've worked selling guns in the past and doing transfers takes a lot more time than you think, so in the big scheme of things $10 is more than fair. The problem lies in the 594 law, not the WAC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I also think 594 is a big factor. The WAC charging $10 for a transfer is BS. The WAC needs to update the rules too, no real reason to require people to be members to purchase guns anymore, since you gotta pay and do the background check anyway. The WAC as an organization doesn't do the transfers, it's individual dealers that volunteer to do them and they are the ones getting the $10. If you think $10 is an unfair amount, try doing all the work involved, which isn't just a phone call and having the buyer fill out a 4473. I've worked selling guns in the past and doing transfers takes a lot more time than you think, so in the big scheme of things $10 is more than fair. The problem lies in the 594 law, not the WAC. I'm not saying it's easy to do all the BS paperwork for a transfer, and I'm well aware the WAC isn't to blame for the law. But the reality is 594 killed some of the incentives of having a WAC membership. My point is the WAC should consider spending resources so they can offer free transfers to members. Something to give membership a perk. The organization could benefit from being able to say they are the only place in the state offering free transfers, instead of charging $10 for something we used to be able to do for free and without paperwork. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 6:06:30 PM EDT
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Just a passing thought, while 594 sucks, I don't think free transfers is THAT valuable of thing, as whoever does the transfers on top of putting in their own time and effort, is also taking the burden of responsibility for the transfer.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 3:43:38 PM EDT
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Just a passing thought, while 594 sucks, I don't think free transfers is THAT valuable of thing, as whoever does the transfers on top of putting in their own time and effort, is also taking the burden of responsibility for the transfer. Excellent point. I think there's a show this weekend in Puyallup. Will be interesting to see how many vendors show up compared with the October show. |
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