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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:00:18 AM EDT
Seattle Tunnel Partners has started digging the circular pit crews will use to access and repair Bertha, the SR 99 tunneling machine. On Friday evening, Oct. 17, an excavator rolled into position to the west of the Alaskan Way Viaduct near Pier 48, where STP stopped tunneling last December after Bertha overheated. There, crews began taking the first scoops of soil from what will become a 120-foot-deep, 80-foot-wide pile-supported pit.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 11:36:26 AM EDT
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not that anyone ever said something like this would happen. Just sayin'....again...
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Posted: 10/21/2014 12:17:19 PM EDT
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I remember a state official saying the extra work/delay wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything!
Yeah right.. |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 1:17:03 PM EDT
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I remember a state official saying the extra work/delay wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything!
Yeah right.. I love he fact that we we get to pay for something most of us wont use. |
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Posted: 10/22/2014 1:23:50 AM EDT
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Thats not a money monster. ...not at all.
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Posted: 10/23/2014 11:05:06 AM EDT
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Why can't they just back it up? what a stupid design.... are they going to have to do this every 1000 feet?
can't believe it's been almost a year. they're going to bore forward 45' to get to the access pit... sounds like it's working to me. I wish there where penalties for being stupid. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 12:14:00 PM EDT
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Why can't they just back it up? what a stupid design.... Cutting head cuts a hole, plates are inserted that line the inside of the hole (tunnel), resulting tunnel is smaller than the cutting head. |
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Posted: 10/23/2014 10:42:57 PM EDT
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Cutting head cuts a hole, plates are inserted that line the inside of the hole (tunnel), resulting tunnel is smaller than the cutting head. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why can't they just back it up? what a stupid design.... Cutting head cuts a hole, plates are inserted that line the inside of the hole (tunnel), resulting tunnel is smaller than the cutting head.
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Posted: 10/24/2014 1:33:16 AM EDT
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Why can't they just back it up? what a stupid design.... are they going to have to do this every 1000 feet? can't believe it's been almost a year. they're going to bore forward 45' to get to the access pit... sounds like it's working to me. I wish there where penalties for being stupid. me too |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 3:55:54 PM EDT
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Once (if) this TBM pops out they need to turn it back around and bore additional lanes for I-5.
Then they need to move on to additional tunnel projects: 1. bore I-90 from MP 42 or so to Cle Elum or Thorp. Undergound parking area below Snoqualmia Pass with elevators. 2. bore through Indian John hill. 3. bore through Vantage hill 4. bore into the cliff across the Columbia and come up at a slight grade in George Moses Lake. 5. Bore SR 410 directly from Greenwood to um, Cliffdell, or at least that gate on the east side of the pass. 6. Bore under Colockum ridge between Ellensburg and Wenatchee 7. Bore the three ridges between Ellensburg and Yakima. 8. Bore through Kennydale hill on I-405. |
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Posted: 10/25/2014 5:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once (if) this TBM pops out they need to turn it back around and bore additional lanes for I-5. Then they need to move on to additional tunnel projects: 1. bore I-90 from MP 42 or so to Cle Elum or Thorp. Undergound parking area below Snoqualmia Pass with elevators. 2. bore through Indian John hill. 3. bore through Vantage hill 4. bore into the cliff across the Columbia and come up at a slight grade in George Moses Lake. 5. Bore SR 410 directly from Greenwood to um, Cliffdell, or at least that gate on the east side of the pass. 6. Bore under Colockum ridge between Ellensburg and Wenatchee 7. Bore the three ridges between Ellensburg and Yakima. 8. Bore through Kennydale hill on I-405. I'm sure they'll get right on it  |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:42:56 PM EDT
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Once (if) this TBM pops out they need to turn it back around and bore additional lanes for I-5. Then they need to move on to additional tunnel projects: 1. bore I-90 from MP 42 or so to Cle Elum or Thorp. Undergound parking area below Snoqualmia Pass with elevators. 2. bore through Indian John hill. 3. bore through Vantage hill 4. bore into the cliff across the Columbia and come up at a slight grade in George Moses Lake. 5. Bore SR 410 directly from Greenwood to um, Cliffdell, or at least that gate on the east side of the pass. 6. Bore under Colockum ridge between Ellensburg and Wenatchee 7. Bore the three ridges between Ellensburg and Yakima. 8. Bore through Kennydale hill on I-405. At this rate it'd take 25 years |
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Posted: 10/26/2014 11:47:08 PM EDT
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I wish there where penalties for being stupid. There is, we're paying the penalty. 
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Posted: 10/27/2014 12:59:18 AM EDT
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There is, we're paying the penalty.
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I wish there where penalties for being stupid. There is, we're paying the penalty.
The contractor is on the hook for overruns. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:19:14 AM EDT
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The contractor is on the hook for overruns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish there where penalties for being stupid. There is, we're paying the penalty.
The contractor is on the hook for overruns. at this rate the contractor will file bankruptcy, a new bid and more delays will be on the way. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:33:13 PM EDT
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Of course, this happened a few days ago:
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/10/work-on-berthas-repair-pit-halted-after-shell-material-discovery/ When digging through fill in the waterfront of what used to be prime Native American real estate, it's guaranteed that this is going to happen a handful more times if this project ever continues forward again. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:40:08 PM EDT
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We'll show Boston how the Big Dig was a luxury.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 6:43:54 PM EDT
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The contractor is on the hook for overruns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish there where penalties for being stupid. There is, we're paying the penalty.
The contractor is on the hook for overruns. lol |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:02:54 AM EDT
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The contractor is on the hook for overruns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish there where penalties for being stupid. There is, we're paying the penalty.
The contractor is on the hook for overruns. uh-huh....if contractor = taxpayer...then ...yeah |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 12:10:06 AM EDT
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lol 8 minute double tap
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Posted: 12/8/2014 8:48:39 PM EDT
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Bertha is apparently sinking and engineers are evaluating the situation.
The good news is the extra work will not cost taxpayers anything according to DOT. Sure; |
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Posted: 12/9/2014 12:47:12 AM EDT
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The way this project is going, the contractor will be filing bankruptcy about January 2nd 2015.
Then the taxpayers will be getting the real bill for this project |
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Posted: 12/9/2014 1:04:56 AM EDT
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I'm willing to bet $5 that this project never comes to completion
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Posted: 12/9/2014 1:45:41 AM EDT
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But, but didn't Chrissy, Inslee, and a few others go to Boston, to see what went wrong and what went right so that wouldn't happen here? She said their mistakes would not happen here.
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Posted: 12/9/2014 11:41:30 PM EDT
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Its a toll tunnel. Did everyone know that or is this news? And the damn thing is sinking? Fuck me, I am never going to drive in that thing.
I have a saying, don't do something unless you can survive 2 minutes if things go tits up. |
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Posted: 12/11/2014 12:16:52 AM EDT
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By the time they get done with it the Alaskan Way Viaduct will have sunk to the roadbed.
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Posted: 12/11/2014 11:40:29 PM EDT
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http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/seattle/2014/12/11/city-leaders-investigate-crack-in-road/20274907/
King Street is sinking. SEATTLE - City and state transportation officials closed a street adjacent to the Alaskan Way Viaduct Replacement Project in Seattle because a portion of the road was cracked and sinking. Concerns about structures and the viaduct near Pioneer Square were raised this week when transportation officials reported their monitors detected at least an inch of settlement near the tunnel-repair access pit. They say the removal of groundwater may have caused the soil to settle. Mayor Ed Murray held a news conference Thursday at the sinking road on First Ave. South and South King Street to say the problem is being investigated, but the cause was unknown. Murray also says they don't have any data to indicate that any of the buildings in the area are at risk. He says their first concern is public safety. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 12:38:44 AM EDT
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I have always been a supporter of the surface, 6 lane road that was option two IIRC. The damn thing would gave been built by now and would be a controversy of the past. This boondoggle would be roll on floor funny if it didn't cost a fortune.
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Posted: 12/13/2014 4:52:11 PM EDT
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This whole boondoggle is infuriating. They should have rebuilt the viaduct at full size. Fucking corrupt socialist retards in the City Council.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 2:30:33 AM EDT
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This whole boondoggle is infuriating. They should have rebuilt the viaduct at full size. Fucking corrupt socialist retards in the City Council. That fucking viaduct should have been torn the fuck down years ago, it's a known flawed design sitting on a seismic hazard zone. The exact same design in California, the Cypress Street Viaduct, collapsed and killed quite a few people in the '89 Loma Prieta quake in SFO. I saw them pull bodies out of that while SFO was burning, I HATE that viaduct. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 2:45:25 AM EDT
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What did we learn!?!.........Don't go making big ass tunnels unless ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NECESSARY! And if by chance you do have to bore one? DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK and find out where the buried shit is at! It's not like the thing they hit was part of ancient history. From my understanding,It was put there within the last decade give or take. This thing is going to be a money monster of epic proportions.
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:33:38 AM EDT
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That fucking viaduct should have been torn the fuck down years ago, it's a known flawed design sitting on a seismic hazard zone. The exact same design in California, the Cypress Street Viaduct, collapsed and killed quite a few people in the '89 Loma Prieta quake in SFO. I saw them pull bodies out of that while SFO was burning, I HATE that viaduct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This whole boondoggle is infuriating. They should have rebuilt the viaduct at full size. Fucking corrupt socialist retards in the City Council. That fucking viaduct should have been torn the fuck down years ago, it's a known flawed design sitting on a seismic hazard zone. The exact same design in California, the Cypress Street Viaduct, collapsed and killed quite a few people in the '89 Loma Prieta quake in SFO. I saw them pull bodies out of that while SFO was burning, I HATE that viaduct. I was in Richmond CA during that fucking quake as a kid. I remember the bridge, the news and the craziness. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 2:20:00 PM EDT
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At the rate it's going, for just TWO miles , I'll end up dying of old age!!!
What are they doing to do w/ the surface area where the old viaduct is at? Parking? |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:12:31 PM EDT
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What did we learn!?!.........Don't go making big ass tunnels unless ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NECESSARY! And if by chance you do have to bore one? DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK and find out where the buried shit is at! It's not like the thing they hit was part of ancient history. From my understanding,It was put there within the last decade give or take. This thing is going to be a money monster of epic proportions. The little pipe they hit had nothing to do with the bearing seals failing. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:24:59 PM EDT
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http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/seattle/2014/12/11/city-leaders-investigate-crack-in-road/20274907/ King Street is sinking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/seattle/2014/12/11/city-leaders-investigate-crack-in-road/20274907/ King Street is sinking. SEATTLE - City and state transportation officials closed a street adjacent to the Alaskan Way Viaduct Replacement Project in Seattle because a portion of the road was cracked and sinking. Concerns about structures and the viaduct near Pioneer Square were raised this week when transportation officials reported their monitors detected at least an inch of settlement near the tunnel-repair access pit. They say the removal of groundwater may have caused the soil to settle. Mayor Ed Murray held a news conference Thursday at the sinking road on First Ave. South and South King Street to say the problem is being investigated, but the cause was unknown. Murray also says they don't have any data to indicate that any of the buildings in the area are at risk. He says their first concern is public safety. Who would have thought that removing water from tidal lands and fill dirt would cause it to settle?  There's an under ground Seattle for a reason! It wasn't built there for tourists, those engineers are morons. Even worse are the politicians who forced the tunnel thru. 
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:00:45 PM EDT
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Who would have thought that removing water from tidal lands and fill dirt would cause it to settle? There's an under ground Seattle for a reason! It wasn't built there for tourists, those engineers are morons. Even worse are the politicians who forced the tunnel thru. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/seattle/2014/12/11/city-leaders-investigate-crack-in-road/20274907/ King Street is sinking. SEATTLE - City and state transportation officials closed a street adjacent to the Alaskan Way Viaduct Replacement Project in Seattle because a portion of the road was cracked and sinking. Concerns about structures and the viaduct near Pioneer Square were raised this week when transportation officials reported their monitors detected at least an inch of settlement near the tunnel-repair access pit. They say the removal of groundwater may have caused the soil to settle. Mayor Ed Murray held a news conference Thursday at the sinking road on First Ave. South and South King Street to say the problem is being investigated, but the cause was unknown. Murray also says they don't have any data to indicate that any of the buildings in the area are at risk. He says their first concern is public safety. Who would have thought that removing water from tidal lands and fill dirt would cause it to settle? There's an under ground Seattle for a reason! It wasn't built there for tourists, those engineers are morons. Even worse are the politicians who forced the tunnel thru. Any 9 year-old who has every played in the sand at Long Beach could have told them what would happen! |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 5:24:54 PM EDT
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This tunnel is being built at the request of the powerful owners of the land on the waterfront. The much less risky and visually-pleasing option of "cut and cover" was rejected because you could not build large structures on top of the completed "cut and cover" "tunnel". A deep tunnel boring machine was the only way to accommodate developers wishing to build up the waterfront.
Personally, I don't see why we didn't re-build the viaduct. There are plenty of well-proven earthquake-proof elevated roadways in this world. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 5:46:20 PM EDT
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This tunnel is being built at the request of the powerful owners of the land on the waterfront. The much less risky and visually-pleasing option of "cut and cover" was rejected because you could not build large structures on top of the completed "cut and cover" "tunnel". A deep tunnel boring machine was the only way to accommodate developers wishing to build up the waterfront. Personally, I don't see why we didn't re-build the viaduct. There are plenty of well-proven earthquake-proof elevated roadways in this world. That's what I thought when I first heard about the tunnel. The land where the current road must be worth a FORTUNE, for developers AND for future PROPERTY TAX revenue to the City.... And if the view that once was blocked by the viaduct is cleared, home value goes up too....... |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:42:58 PM EDT
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Developers win either way. If the tunnel is successfully built and the viaduct demolished, they get to develop the waterfront.
If the tunnel caves in and makes the entire waterfront infrastructure unstable to the point that it needs to be raised completely, and the seawall rebuilt or extended, they still get to develop the waterfront. There are a lot of buildings between the waterfront an 1st street that are ancient, and developers would love to have a convenient scapegoat for knocking them down and rebuilding. "Oh, gee, the ground sunk and this building is now condemned. Too bad, better knock it down." Win-win. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 10:25:52 PM EDT
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Developers win either way. If the tunnel is successfully built and the viaduct demolished, they get to develop the waterfront. If the tunnel caves in and makes the entire waterfront infrastructure unstable to the point that it needs to be raised completely, and the seawall rebuilt or extended, they still get to develop the waterfront. There are a lot of buildings between the waterfront an 1st street that are ancient, and developers would love to have a convenient scapegoat for knocking them down and rebuilding. "Oh, gee, the ground sunk and this building is now condemned. Too bad, better knock it down." Win-win. And, to boot  the WASHINGTON tax payer will get to pay for it....... Seattle won't foot such a bill.....
Just like the stadium that was voted down, but built any how....... |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 2:06:55 AM EDT
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So now the news today is that a major water main on 1st street is beginning to bend under the settling soil, and has suffered enough damage that it will need to be replaced.. Meaning, now 1st street has to be torn up as well.
http://crosscut.com/2014/12/16/transportation/123263/will-bertha-crack-open-pioneer-squares-urban-renew/ So, work on the access pit to repair Bertha has stopped due to the settling problems. With the exception of the work being performed on the tunnel entrances on either end, the project is currently 100% stalled. Bertha has not moved in over a year - since Dec 6th 2013. Frankly I wonder if someone could float an initiative for the next election that will require the project be canceled. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to repair Bertha and move on without literally destroying Pioneer Square, and it's only going to get worse if Bertha starts moving again. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 2:21:51 AM EDT
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So where will the sailors go when Cowgirls sinks into the sound?
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Posted: 12/17/2014 2:51:14 AM EDT
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So now the news today is that a major water main on 1st street is beginning to bend under the settling soil, and has suffered enough damage that it will need to be replaced.. Meaning, now 1st street has to be torn up as well. http://crosscut.com/2014/12/16/transportation/123263/will-bertha-crack-open-pioneer-squares-urban-renew/ So, work on the access pit to repair Bertha has stopped due to the settling problems. With the exception of the work being performed on the tunnel entrances on either end, the project is currently 100% stalled. Bertha has not moved in over a year - since Dec 6th 2013. Frankly I wonder if someone could float an initiative for the next election that will require the project be canceled. It doesn't look like they're going to be able to repair Bertha and move on without literally destroying Pioneer Square, and it's only going to get worse if Bertha starts moving again. Wow....the West Coast has it's own "Big Dig" to deal with..... The "icing on the cake" or "cherry on top" would be if there was a quake and the viaduct collapses and then the tunnel they are building cracks and floods in multiple locations AND 50 feet of shore front dropped 10 feet.... (I'm being sarcastic...I don't want any deaths to happen, as I do have friends and family in the Seattle area...a long with you AR "buddies" ) And makes the whole shore front un-viable for any road or structure....
Oh wait, our Gov would call for an emergency and get Federal money in.....and the O man would come running for a press op.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 4:34:49 AM EDT
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I must be psychic, who didn't see this coming? From the start I've said they should just do a teardown and rebuild on the existing structure...
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:41:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At the rate it's going, for just TWO miles , I'll end up dying of old age!!! What are they doing to do w/ the surface area where the old viaduct is at? Parking? Given that His Mayorness would love to ban cars from the city if he could, that is the LAST thing they will do with it... Probably 'green space' or a public pot-smoking spot (Yes, I know it's illegal to smoke in public... But IIRC the last cop who tried to enforce that got in big trouble)... |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 2:17:51 PM EDT
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Given that His Mayorness would love to ban cars from the city if he could, that is the LAST thing they will do with it... Probably 'green space' or a public pot-smoking spot (Yes, I know it's illegal to smoke in public... But IIRC the last cop who tried to enforce that got in big trouble)... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At the rate it's going, for just TWO miles , I'll end up dying of old age!!!
What are they doing to do w/ the surface area where the old viaduct is at? Parking? Given that His Mayorness would love to ban cars from the city if he could, that is the LAST thing they will do with it... Probably 'green space' or a public pot-smoking spot (Yes, I know it's illegal to smoke in public... But IIRC the last cop who tried to enforce that got in big trouble)... This I didn't hear...... link to story? So WHO did they try to arrest???? Was it some big wick mucky-de-muck's son or daughter..... 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 4:46:19 PM EDT
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At the rate it's going, for just TWO miles , I'll end up dying of old age!!!
What are they doing to do w/ the surface area where the old viaduct is at? Parking? Given that His Mayorness would love to ban cars from the city if he could, that is the LAST thing they will do with it... Probably 'green space' or a public pot-smoking spot (Yes, I know it's illegal to smoke in public... But IIRC the last cop who tried to enforce that got in big trouble)... This I didn't hear...... link to story? So WHO did they try to arrest???? Was it some big wick mucky-de-muck's son or daughter..... Nope. Just a street cop who supposedly wrote too many tickets. If that's a problem, kind of makes you wonder if the law should even be on the books in the first place. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 6:47:25 PM EDT
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At the rate it's going, for just TWO miles , I'll end up dying of old age!!!
What are they doing to do w/ the surface area where the old viaduct is at? Parking? Given that His Mayorness would love to ban cars from the city if he could, that is the LAST thing they will do with it... Probably 'green space' or a public pot-smoking spot (Yes, I know it's illegal to smoke in public... But IIRC the last cop who tried to enforce that got in big trouble)... This I didn't hear...... link to story? So WHO did they try to arrest???? Was it some big wick mucky-de-muck's son or daughter..... too many tickets for public use by certain demographic........"it racist man!" |
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Posted: 12/24/2014 2:19:03 PM EDT
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As expected, the updated schedule is postponing the completion by two years. Considering the usual lies and incompetence make it four or five.
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Posted: 12/24/2014 11:45:53 PM EDT
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This is like Atlas Shrugged
and reason number 475 why you do not let children manage infrastructure |
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Posted: 12/27/2014 7:09:57 PM EDT
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And I saw story in the local paper talking about cracks in basements forming in near by areas......
I don't think they did their research before this project. If they did, it wasn't enough..... |
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