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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:56:08 AM EDT
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At almost 75% in King County, you can bet some of your fellow ARFCOM members and gun owners voted yes. Background checks are better than confiscation. Fucking assholes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. Yup. Some of my coworkers and relatives too. And that school shooting sure didnt help either. Bloomberg must have been rubbing his hands in glee when he heard the news. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:56:12 AM EDT
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Soall votes are in on 594?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:57:29 AM EDT
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Buy lowers now.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:58:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I came here to pretty much complain about this. I swear you should have to pass a WASL-like test on reading comprehension for every bill before you are allowed to vote on it. Too many people voting on commercials and not the fine print.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. You can pretty much say that about most of the state. I came here to pretty much complain about this. I swear you should have to pass a WASL-like test on reading comprehension for every bill before you are allowed to vote on it. Too many people voting on commercials and not the fine print. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:59:38 AM EDT
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If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:02:58 AM EDT
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If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that. Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:04:03 AM EDT
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Fuck all of King county. I am going to hop on a ferry and punch everyone in Seattle and Bellevue the face. May need a hand transplant, please PM me if you have one available.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:04:53 AM EDT
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:06:51 AM EDT
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Just checked in here to see how the vote went, sorry to see that ignorance and outside money won ...
We're happy to have any of you here in Missouri 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:07:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that. Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. I should add: Firearms unit at DOL is super underfunded, low staffed and does not receive transportation funds like the rest of the agency. Legislature would need to find some cash. The backlog with CPL paperwork (the carbons that come back from Law Enforcement) and transfers is running several months now.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:08:01 AM EDT
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks? i hope they are already working on over turning this bs in the courts..... NRA needs to get involved now since they more or less hung us out to dry when this bs started.. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:10:20 AM EDT
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Fuck all of King county. I am going to hop on a ferry and punch everyone in Seattle and Bellevue the face. May need a hand transplant, please PM me if you have one available. Best thing with those sub-humans is to promote drug-orgy parties in Seattle with free meth, crack and all this stuff and give enough for them to die of overdose. Will get rid of most in a single strike. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:12:41 AM EDT
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i hope they are already working on over turning this bs in the courts..... NRA needs to get involved now since they more or less hung us out to dry when this bs started.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks? i hope they are already working on over turning this bs in the courts..... NRA needs to get involved now since they more or less hung us out to dry when this bs started.. Always happy to see my membership money and donations well spent. Never heard a peep from the NRA on these initiatives. 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:13:18 AM EDT
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks? How does one file a lawsuit...
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:13:27 AM EDT
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Good luck enforcing 594, fucking cock suckers.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:14:51 AM EDT
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So, it looks like 594 will pass (GOD F*CKING DAMNIT).
How long after will it go in effect? Oh and for those of you looking for lowers, Brownells is selling stripped Bushmaster lowers for $50 |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:14:55 AM EDT
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Always happy to see my membership money and donations well spent. Never heard a peep from the NRA on these initiatives. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks? i hope they are already working on over turning this bs in the courts..... NRA needs to get involved now since they more or less hung us out to dry when this bs started.. Always happy to see my membership money and donations well spent. Never heard a peep from the NRA on these initiatives. They weren't going to stand a chance going up against the billionaire supporters of 594..let's be patient and see if they come up to the plate and challenge the law. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:15:38 AM EDT
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I was born and raised in Washington State, moved to California because of my wife's job, but I have been engineering our escape from his hell-hole for ten years. I know you all think this is bad, and it is. But in California I can't even have a mag release on my AR, I have to have a bullet button. And forget getting a carry permit here. Never happen.
That being said, I am so sad to see the direction Washington is going. Here in California we conservatives simply don't have a chance, the left has a supermajority. And I see Washington going in the same direction. My parents and my sister are all trying to get me to pack up the family and come back home, but at this point, I am thinking Utah is the better bet. I think things are only going to get worse in Washington. Tech billionaire liberals have pulled off a huge coup, and will be emboldened now. If the courts don't overturn this, dark days are ahead for the Evergreen State. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:16:19 AM EDT
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So looks like all counties reported and it is just under 60%.
If I remember correctly, an initiative needs 60% or greater to pass? Congrats?!? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:17:03 AM EDT
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So now im going to have to look over my shoulder every time im target practicing in the woods or out hunting with family and friends?
Fuck the billionaire boys club |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So looks like all counties reported and it is just under 60%. If I remember correctly, an initiative needs 60% or greater to pass? Congrats?!? I'm a moron. Only lottery and gambling require 60%. Everything else is just a simple majority.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:17:24 AM EDT
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Good luck enforcing 594, fucking cock suckers. That's the rub. They will now say, "You wanted it but we can't enforce it without registration - that way we will know what everyone has." Chip away. California all over again. Hard to believe that once upon a time I rode my Harley from San Diego to Los Angeles with an AR15 slung over my back. Socialists have taken hold in a big way. Damn. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:21:44 AM EDT
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If you believe that, I've got the location of a Bigfoot den. I've had a chance to look at a DOL firearms file. Wouldn't be a thing to include these new transfers. I should add: Firearms unit at DOL is super underfunded, low staffed and does not receive transportation funds like the rest of the agency. Legislature would need to find some cash. The backlog with CPL paperwork (the carbons that come back from Law Enforcement) and transfers is running several months now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that. Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. I should add: Firearms unit at DOL is super underfunded, low staffed and does not receive transportation funds like the rest of the agency. Legislature would need to find some cash. The backlog with CPL paperwork (the carbons that come back from Law Enforcement) and transfers is running several months now. The only way this will be enforceable is if they can check to see if the firearm you are holding is yours. That means registration. This sucks the big one. This was bought and paid for by people that have armed security around them. I read where over $10 million from out of state was spent on advertising. Where were the ads against 594? Sure as hell weren't on TV. 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:25:15 AM EDT
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The only way this will be enforceable is if they can check to see if the firearm you are holding is yours. That means registration. This sucks the big one. This was bought and paid for by people that have armed security around them. I read where over $10 million from out of state was spent on advertising. Where were the ads against 594? Sure as hell weren't on TV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that. Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. I should add: Firearms unit at DOL is super underfunded, low staffed and does not receive transportation funds like the rest of the agency. Legislature would need to find some cash. The backlog with CPL paperwork (the carbons that come back from Law Enforcement) and transfers is running several months now. The only way this will be enforceable is if they can check to see if the firearm you are holding is yours. That means registration. This sucks the big one. This was bought and paid for by people that have armed security around them. I read where over $10 million from out of state was spent on advertising. Where were the ads against 594? Sure as hell weren't on TV. Time to start emailing the nra asking what the next step is... 
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:29:26 AM EDT
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:32:02 AM EDT
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They weren't going to stand a chance going up against the billionaire supporters of 594..let's be patient and see if they come up to the plate and challenge the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So who is filing the lawsuit on December 4th for a violation of 2nd Amendment rights when there is no system in place yet for doing these background checks? i hope they are already working on over turning this bs in the courts..... NRA needs to get involved now since they more or less hung us out to dry when this bs started.. Always happy to see my membership money and donations well spent. Never heard a peep from the NRA on these initiatives. They weren't going to stand a chance going up against the billionaire supporters of 594..let's be patient and see if they come up to the plate and challenge the law. I'm hoping... I'm praying, that this is the NRA's plan. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:32:12 AM EDT
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Colorado stepped up and voted out the Demo Gov that passed the Magazine ban. We can do something about this one IF IF IF everyone gets on the bandwagon and makes it so hot politically for the Governor and the Legislature that they will have to do something. We need to quit infighting and stand together to VOTE OUT the IDIOTS.
Frankly, there were quite a few people who are gun owners who voted for this crap. We need to put pressure on them to stand up for what they believe in. Low information voters. Who the hell really thinks that a LAW will keep FELONS from obtaining guns? NO ONE. Not even the liberals. They KNOW this is about confiscation and some people (even gun people) are too stupid to see that. And if the people want this crap after all... in the words of Conan the Barbarian "then, to hell with you". RANT OFF. SFC out. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:32:54 AM EDT
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:33:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:35:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. Re edit-Just wanted to check since I haven't bought a handgun over the counter for awhile. Still no NICS exemption since Bill 1839 hasn't passed. If they can't get this bill to pass, I don't see an exemption happening.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:36:04 AM EDT
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Wow, only 31% voter turnout?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:37:50 AM EDT
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In a nutshell, all transfers of firearms outside of your IMMEDIATE family requires a background check. Family doesn't mean Uncle, Niece, Cousin, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? And 'transfer' includes HANDING a person a gun, not just sales. There are exceptions, but they are narrowly defined. For example at a range, BUT ONLY at a competition or a class. There's an exception for hunting, but ONLY where the recipient is legally authorized to hunt. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:41:56 AM EDT
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Why would there be a CPL exemption? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. I said "hoping" for a reason. In theory the legislature can modify the initiative to make it work, while keeping with the spirit of the intent. So they could add cpl exceptions. I don't have any idea what the chance of that happening is though. In fact everyone with a cpl has previously passed a background check... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:44:50 AM EDT
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I said "hoping" for a reason. In theory the legislature can modify the initiative to make it work, while keeping with the spirit of the intent. So they could add cpl exceptions. I don't have any idea what the chance of that happening is though. In fact everyone with a cpl has previously passed a background check... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. I said "hoping" for a reason. In theory the legislature can modify the initiative to make it work, while keeping with the spirit of the intent. So they could add cpl exceptions. I don't have any idea what the chance of that happening is though. In fact everyone with a cpl has previously passed a background check... I thought that the legislature had to work with this before it becomes law. Then I read that it is law 30 days after it passes. Anyone have any insight on that? ERic |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:45:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I said "hoping" for a reason. In theory the legislature can modify the initiative to make it work, while keeping with the spirit of the intent. So they could add cpl exceptions. I don't have any idea what the chance of that happening is though. In fact everyone with a cpl has previously passed a background check... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? If you hand a gun to someone once it is a misdemeanor, second time is felony. Enjoy. Hoping it gets thrown out, or worst case cpl exception to all of it. I said "hoping" for a reason. In theory the legislature can modify the initiative to make it work, while keeping with the spirit of the intent. So they could add cpl exceptions. I don't have any idea what the chance of that happening is though. In fact everyone with a cpl has previously passed a background check... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:00:44 AM EDT
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I'm so glad the NRA put just enough effort to claim they helped if we defeated this. If good, informative commercials were running fairly frequently I think it would have helped, a lot.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:03:58 AM EDT
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I'm so glad the NRA put just enough effort to claim they helped if we defeated this. If good, informative commercials were running fairly frequently I think it would have helped, a lot. an endorsement for 591 would have helped, and wouldn't have cost much at all. few FB posts, little snippet in the american rifleman, postcards, ect. that would have voided 594 and it lost by less than 5%. a push for votes on that from the NRA could have easily made that one go the other way. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:09:28 AM EDT
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I thought that the legislature had to work with this before it becomes law. Then I read that it is law 30 days after it passes. Anyone have any insight on that? ERic It already went through the legislative process, which is why it was placed on the ballot. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:10:16 AM EDT
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The only way this will be enforceable is if they can check to see if the firearm you are holding is yours. That means registration. This sucks the big one. This was bought and paid for by people that have armed security around them. I read where over $10 million from out of state was spent on advertising. Where were the ads against 594? Sure as hell weren't on TV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If registration becomes part of this, my firearms become safe queens. Fuck it, despite what I said earlier I would move over that. Supposedly the transfer information is destroyed by the FFL 24hrs after the exchange is made. No registration. I should add: Firearms unit at DOL is super underfunded, low staffed and does not receive transportation funds like the rest of the agency. Legislature would need to find some cash. The backlog with CPL paperwork (the carbons that come back from Law Enforcement) and transfers is running several months now. The only way this will be enforceable is if they can check to see if the firearm you are holding is yours. That means registration. This sucks the big one. This was bought and paid for by people that have armed security around them. I read where over $10 million from out of state was spent on advertising. Where were the ads against 594? Sure as hell weren't on TV. You're not allowed to criticize the NRA if you dont have an eagle under your name. Or so im told. 
C'mon dude get witht he program. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:10:35 AM EDT
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It already went through the legislative process, which is why it was placed on the ballot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought that the legislature had to work with this before it becomes law. Then I read that it is law 30 days after it passes. Anyone have any insight on that? ERic It already went through the legislative process, which is why it was placed on the ballot. Gotcha...Thanks. ERic |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:22:36 AM EDT
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This blows! Hope lawyers get on this quick and get law suspended until the courts can hear the case and rule.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:27:08 AM EDT
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Time for a little civil disobedience.
I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:52:59 AM EDT
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Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:54:43 AM EDT
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Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... I'm also thinking a big "transfer party" to slam the DOL with pistol forms. 1.) I'll get a cheap handgun from one of my suppliers 2.) I'll have a bound book dedicated to just this one pistol 3.) Get a bunch of us together, and we all start filling out the Pistol Transfer form and 4473. Maybe have it change hands 5 to 10 times a day, but not often enough to the same person to trigger the Multi handgun form. 4.) Every week, send in 35 to 70 pistol transfer forms for this one pistol to the DOL 5.) Keep it going as long as possible. In other words, let's bury them in paperwork! Shit, I think they are already one year behind on entering forms (based on one that round tripped to me because I missed a field.....) |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 2:56:05 AM EDT
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Time for a little civil disobedience. I say we go down to Olympia just like we did for the rallies, then continuously "transfer" guns amongst ourselves. This is yours, that's mine, here take this, can I borrow that... I remember reading about a big circle of folks in front of the capitol in one of the post-Sandy Hook SAFE(ish) Act states, where they handed PMAGs around in a circle. The quote was something to the effect of "2,500 felonies per minute". I'd be up for doing that with long guns. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:05:00 AM EDT
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In a nutshell, all transfers of firearms outside of your IMMEDIATE family requires a background check. Family doesn't mean Uncle, Niece, Cousin, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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o.k., so what does this initiative passing mean and how will it affect me? Aka, what all is in this bill? Actually the way I read it even handing a pistol I own to my wife would technically be illegal under 594. Yes there are exemptions for GIFTING to immediate family but no provision for borrowing or loans. Maybe I'm splitting hairs but currently any pistol you buy in WA is registered to you. So am I not the sole owner and handing it to my wife not as a gift would violate 594? No!?! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:07:29 AM EDT
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The NRA could not help. This shit was voted in by people who hate the NRA. The NRA might be able to help fight it in the courts though.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:10:03 AM EDT
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I'd be up for doing that with long guns. Better make them non-EBRs though. AKs would look bad on NWCN. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 3:21:14 AM EDT
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I'm down, I'm sure I can scrounge up one of my pops old drop guns to use.
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