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Posted: 11/3/2014 12:51:29 AM EDT
[#1]
They look desperate. Their "yes i-594" website is promoting an app that finds who did not vote and lets them go after those non-voters.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:01:17 AM EDT
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In other words, WAGR has friends in the election departments who are reporting back that things are not going well. Don't think Hanauer and friends know those people? Don't kid yourself.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:48:30 AM EDT
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Soccer moms get their opinions from TV and local TV news. TV is important in elections, sadly. If you had a TV and could see how many different pro-594 TV ads WAGR is running, how polished and professional they look, how blatantly dishonest they are, and how frequent they are (multiple ads every commercial break on several local stations), you might have a different attitude about signs and social media ads being a huge contribution from the NRA. The NRA contributed to the fight as cheaply as they could, with minimal effort. Exactly, the NRA could've put together a simple ad with all the law enforcement groups that oppose 594 and that would've been it. Have cop/deputy explain that simply handing a gun to a friend out in the field violates 594, and point out the specific section and language, and it sells itself. The air time would've been more expensive than making the ad. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:07:17 PM EDT
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Forgive me for not knowing but when do we now results and is it a live tracking or just a "here's the results" deal?
sorry, I was living in Japan from 06-2013. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:42:47 PM EDT
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I believe preliminary results will be available the afternoon of November 4th. It takes several weeks to certify the results, but anything not close should be good to go.
Election results link Randy |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 2:18:34 PM EDT
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I believe preliminary results will be available the afternoon of November 4th. It takes several weeks to certify the results, but anything not close should be good to go. Election results link Randy thanks. I had some asshole call last night asking who I voted for Senator. "none of your fucking business" |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 4:26:20 PM EDT
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When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say the NRA isignoring us? I received 100 signs from the rep on the dry side for free to put out, have seen ads on breitbart and social media. I don't have TV so I can't speak to that. They have been at gun shows as well. When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. I've seen one pro 594 bumper sticker (on a drive to Seattle) and just yesterday I saw an anti 594 sign in Battle Ground. So far that's the only things I've seen about it in public. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:57:50 PM EDT
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If I have to hear about Monique Williams one more time I'm gonna shoot myself.
I swear if I were an anti gunner and had to listen to this commercial that many times in a row I think I would intentionally vote against it because I HATE commercials. Especially political ones. Voted no on 594 |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 3:11:42 AM EDT
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When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say the NRA isignoring us? I received 100 signs from the rep on the dry side for free to put out, have seen ads on breitbart and social media. I don't have TV so I can't speak to that. They have been at gun shows as well. When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. If you needed two signs last week, I found them stuffed behind a trash can at the base of Queen Anne hill. Of course the pro I594 signs were left up. If I was smart enough to post pics up here, I'd show you the pic I took. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 10:23:22 AM EDT
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If you needed two signs last week, I found them stuffed behind a trash can at the base of Queen Anne hill. Of course the pro I594 signs were left up. If I was smart enough to post pics up here, I'd show you the pic I took. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say the NRA isignoring us? I received 100 signs from the rep on the dry side for free to put out, have seen ads on breitbart and social media. I don't have TV so I can't speak to that. They have been at gun shows as well. When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. If you needed two signs last week, I found them stuffed behind a trash can at the base of Queen Anne hill. Of course the pro I594 signs were left up. If I was smart enough to post pics up here, I'd show you the pic I took. Based on past elections and referendums I wonder if the ballots will have similar fate. 
We have to win this thing by a landslide so these crooks think twice before frauding the referendum. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 1:14:41 PM EDT
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In Pierce county I have seen ONE yes on 594 sign and that was in Milton. No on 594 signs are everywhere! Everyone I know is voting no on 594!
Are all the polls being done with King county residents only? The polls I see on facebook all are overwhelmingly NO on 594. There is still hope that this P.O.S. inititive will fail big time! |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 2:20:56 PM EDT
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The only support I've seen for 594 are online in comments or forum posts, who knows though, they may be trolling LOL
That said, I have ZERO faith in the voters of this nation, especially in this state. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 2:44:14 PM EDT
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If you needed two signs last week, I found them stuffed behind a trash can at the base of Queen Anne hill. Of course the pro I594 signs were left up. If I was smart enough to post pics up here, I'd show you the pic I took. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do you say the NRA isignoring us? I received 100 signs from the rep on the dry side for free to put out, have seen ads on breitbart and social media. I don't have TV so I can't speak to that. They have been at gun shows as well. When I asked for signs they said they were "all out", yet I haven't seen a single sign anywhere in SW WA. I haven't seen any signs on my four trips to Seattle in the last two months either. Ads on Breibart and posts on the NRA's Facebook page are just preaching to the choir, that's the NRA trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing it. What we need is TV and radio ads, that's how we convince the people who are on the fence or don't really care either way to vote with our side. Bloomy is killing us at that. If you needed two signs last week, I found them stuffed behind a trash can at the base of Queen Anne hill. Of course the pro I594 signs were left up. If I was smart enough to post pics up here, I'd show you the pic I took. Wouldn't be shocked if the pro 594 people posed as 591/anti 594 people to get the signs and then threw them away. Would explain why they ran out. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 3:30:10 PM EDT
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That said, I have ZERO faith in the voters of this nation, especially in this state. Remember that these are the voters who elected the Democrats that pushed the silencer and SBR bills through and got them passed. I still think 594 will fail; not betting the farm on it though. :) Randy |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 3:38:53 PM EDT
[#15]
Voted.
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Posted: 11/4/2014 3:57:47 PM EDT
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When do they release the numbers?
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Posted: 11/4/2014 4:35:11 PM EDT
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When do they release the numbers? As soon as King county decides how many votes to falsify. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 5:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When do they release the numbers? There's a ballot drop box in my neighborhood people will be dropping ballots in it right up to 8pm. King County will update results after 815 tonight, their next update will be by 430pm Wednesday. Statewide-Results are updated when a county reports new tabulation results. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 7:40:45 PM EDT
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Used to have several Yes 591 signs on Inglewood Hill Road up in Sammamish but they seem to be gone now... Wonder who took them..
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Posted: 11/4/2014 8:42:54 PM EDT
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Maybe this is the defense we can take on 594?
http://djcoregon.com/news/2000/10/27/state-supreme-court-strikes-down-i695-license-tax-cut-law/ “Violated a requirement that an act have only one subject. The rule is intended to prevent legislators and voters from having to vote for a law they do not support in order to obtain a law they want.” “Violated a requirement that the subject of an act appear in the measure’s title. The title of I-695 failed to advise the public that the voter-approval requirement applied not only to taxes, but also to fees and charges levied by government that are not “traditionally considered to be taxes,” the court said. (the fact that this bill also includes restrictions on private transfers – not simply online or gun shows – which are two separate issues as well) “Amended an existing law without publishing the law and the proposed change. “ – the definitions alone do this. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 9:51:41 PM EDT
[#21]
Good info, Joe.
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Posted: 11/4/2014 11:07:42 PM EDT
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Maybe this is the defense we can take on 594? http://djcoregon.com/news/2000/10/27/state-supreme-court-strikes-down-i695-license-tax-cut-law/ “Violated a requirement that an act have only one subject. The rule is intended to prevent legislators and voters from having to vote for a law they do not support in order to obtain a law they want.” “Violated a requirement that the subject of an act appear in the measure’s title. The title of I-695 failed to advise the public that the voter-approval requirement applied not only to taxes, but also to fees and charges levied by government that are not “traditionally considered to be taxes,” the court said. (the fact that this bill also includes restrictions on private transfers – not simply online or gun shows – which are two separate issues as well) “Amended an existing law without publishing the law and the proposed change. “ – the definitions alone do this. Not sure where you're going with this since it has 'transfers' in the description in the ballot. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 11:24:43 PM EDT
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Not sure where you're going with this since it has 'transfers' in the description in the ballot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe this is the defense we can take on 594? http://djcoregon.com/news/2000/10/27/state-supreme-court-strikes-down-i695-license-tax-cut-law/ “Violated a requirement that an act have only one subject. The rule is intended to prevent legislators and voters from having to vote for a law they do not support in order to obtain a law they want.” “Violated a requirement that the subject of an act appear in the measure’s title. The title of I-695 failed to advise the public that the voter-approval requirement applied not only to taxes, but also to fees and charges levied by government that are not “traditionally considered to be taxes,” the court said. (the fact that this bill also includes restrictions on private transfers – not simply online or gun shows – which are two separate issues as well) “Amended an existing law without publishing the law and the proposed change. “ – the definitions alone do this. Not sure where you're going with this since it has 'transfers' in the description in the ballot. That it is not just background checks. It changes the law on transfers. Just throwing some ideas out there. Every once in a while something sticks. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:04:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Did we win yet?
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:12:46 AM EDT
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Early results...
Initiative 594 Expand background checks for gun purchases Yes 4,041 (39%) No 6,326 (61%) Initiative 591 Prohibit background checks beyond federal standard Yes 6,108 (59.3%) No 4,190 (40.7%) |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:13:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:16:38 AM EDT
[#27]
Initiative 594
Expand background checks for gun purchases Yes 279,725 (54.7%) 
No 232,049 (45.3%) Initiative 591 Prohibit background checks beyond federal standard Yes 260,010 (51.2%) 
No 247,337 (48.8%) |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:17:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:18:39 AM EDT
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It's going to be a while before we know the results. 594 is now in the lead.
Yes; 279,725 54.66% No; 232,049 45.34% Randy |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:22:39 AM EDT
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It's going to be a while before we know the results. 594 is now in the lead. Yes; 279,725 54.66% No; 232,049 45.34% Randy They must be fabricating ballots as fast as they can. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:23:43 AM EDT
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Initiative 594
Expand background checks for gun purchases Yes 632,281 (60.8%)
No 408,418 (39.2%) Initiative 591 Prohibit background checks beyond federal standard Yes 460,483 (44.6%) No 570,894 (55.4%)
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:23:45 AM EDT
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Wait until King County reports in. Quote HistoryFuck me. I checked earlier and it was reversed. Looks like I'm moving boys. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They must be fabricating ballots as fast as they can. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's going to be a while before we know the results. 594 is now in the lead. Yes; 279,725 54.66% No; 232,049 45.34% Randy They must be fabricating ballots as fast as they can. I don't think they need to. The Seatlle area has enough commies to sink us. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:28:12 AM EDT
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74.58% voted yes to I594 in King County.
68.36% voted no to I591 in King County.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:28:36 AM EDT
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Initiative Measure No. 591 Concerns firearms
Last updated on 11/04/2014 8:18 PM Initiative Measure No. 591 Concerns firearms County Results & Map Measure Vote Vote % Yes 460,483 44.65% No 570,894 55.35% Total Votes 1,031,377 100% |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:38:34 AM EDT
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Well, that was fun...
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:39:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:40:50 AM EDT
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I don't think they need to. The Seatlle area has enough commies to sink us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's going to be a while before we know the results. 594 is now in the lead. Yes; 279,725 54.66% No; 232,049 45.34% Randy They must be fabricating ballots as fast as they can. I don't think they need to. The Seatlle area has enough commies to sink us. The commies are weed-stoned in their meth factory basements so they have to vote for them. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:45:27 AM EDT
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How soon does this law go into affect? I bet the next few gun shows will be interesting to say the least.
ERic |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:45:54 AM EDT
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ffffffffffffffffff
I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:46:39 AM EDT
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It's time to break the state into two (not at the mountains tho). Just make king County it's own and leave the rest of the state alone. How about I-599 - Liberal Reduction Zone.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:46:43 AM EDT
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ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. You can pretty much say that about most of the state. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:48:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:50:39 AM EDT
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How soon does this law go into affect? I bet the next few gun shows will be interesting to say the least. ERic no one has answered this question, that I have seen.... |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:50:51 AM EDT
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Sorry to hear the bad news. Washington's I-591, I-594 and Florida's Amendment 2 were the thee votes I cared about most. My picks for all three lost so I'm pretty bummed. On a positive note, there's always Oregon...
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:51:47 AM EDT
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How soon does this law go into affect? I bet the next few gun shows will be interesting to say the least. ERic no one has answered this question, that I have seen.... 30 days, so December 4th |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:51:50 AM EDT
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You can pretty much say that about most of the state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. You can pretty much say that about most of the state. I had a sliver of hope after seeing all the no on i954 signs in Kirkland. damn it. Some of my coworkers that own guns even voted for i945 - because COMMON SENSE BACKGROUND CHECKS. There was no reasoning with them. Fucking fudds |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:55:37 AM EDT
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ffffffffffffffffff I feel like shit after reading the results. I bet most of the people in King County voted for "background checks" without actually reading the bill. You can pretty much say that about most of the state. I came here to pretty much complain about this. I swear you should have to pass a WASL-like test on reading comprehension for every bill before you are allowed to vote on it. Too many people voting on commercials and not the fine print.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:55:44 AM EDT
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Doesn't matter. I won't comply. Who I feel bad for are the individuals who try to make a little extra living at gun shows. I know a lot of old timers who are screwed now. Wonder how this affects the up coming Tacoma and Centralia shows.
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:55:59 AM EDT
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How soon does this law go into affect? I bet the next few gun shows will be interesting to say the least. ERic no one has answered this question, that I have seen.... 30 days, so December 4th So the legislature doesn'thave to do anything with this? I thought that they did. ERic |
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