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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:00:14 AM EDT
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And let me guess, fuel excise taxes won't drop either...
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Posted: 6/17/2014 8:52:27 AM EDT
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Time to go back to horse and carriage
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:09:12 AM EDT
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:09:34 AM EDT
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People keep voting these morons in!
and then they scratch their heads later. How do they plan on regulating this fine piece of brilliance? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:30:47 AM EDT
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Time to go back to horse and carriage Listening to the report it was stated that they are looking at ways to include bicycles, walkers / runners (sidewalks), off-road vehicles, trains, aircraft boats, everything. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:37:57 AM EDT
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what news outlet did you see this on?
legislature isn't in session so I assume this is some sort of pre-filed bill at most? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:44:00 AM EDT
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And let me guess, fuel excise taxes won't drop either... That is my primary problem with it. I could support transitioning to purely mileage based user fee where people pay for what they actually use/consume. That seems more equitable and market based than anything. But to just layer it on top of all the existing taxes? No. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 9:45:48 AM EDT
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Listening to the report it was stated that they are looking at ways to include bicycles, walkers / runners (sidewalks), off-road vehicles, trains, aircraft boats, everything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Time to go back to horse and carriage Listening to the report it was stated that they are looking at ways to include bicycles, walkers / runners (sidewalks), off-road vehicles, trains, aircraft boats, everything. Yeah, good luck with that. 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 10:11:27 AM EDT
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If they'd stop using our gas tax money for things such as mass(welfare) transit then we might actually have enough money for roads.
Only article I could find was kind of old. http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/mar/03/road-need-funding-challenge-wahsington-mileage-tax/ |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 11:18:03 AM EDT
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 3:15:30 PM EDT
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My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Great question. They should rename it, the "Urban Incentivization and Tele-Commute Act" |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 3:34:20 PM EDT
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My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Oregon is doing the same thing starting next year. http://reason.org/news/show/1013709.html The state is now preparing to embark on a larger-scale demonstration project in 2015 as authorized by Senate Bill 810, a law enacted last year. Senate Bill 810 created the Road Usage Charge Program, which authorizes the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to assess a charge of 1.5 cents per mile for up to 5,000 volunteer motorists participating in a road usage charge program, while giving them a refund on their gas taxes paid. You're still going to pay gas tax in Oregon or Washington. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:36:23 PM EDT
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Oregon is doing the same thing starting next year. http://reason.org/news/show/1013709.html The state is now preparing to embark on a larger-scale demonstration project in 2015 as authorized by Senate Bill 810, a law enacted last year. Senate Bill 810 created the Road Usage Charge Program, which authorizes the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to assess a charge of 1.5 cents per mile for up to 5,000 volunteer motorists participating in a road usage charge program, while giving them a refund on their gas taxes paid. You're still going to pay gas tax in Oregon or Washington. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Oregon is doing the same thing starting next year. http://reason.org/news/show/1013709.html The state is now preparing to embark on a larger-scale demonstration project in 2015 as authorized by Senate Bill 810, a law enacted last year. Senate Bill 810 created the Road Usage Charge Program, which authorizes the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to assess a charge of 1.5 cents per mile for up to 5,000 volunteer motorists participating in a road usage charge program, while giving them a refund on their gas taxes paid. You're still going to pay gas tax in Oregon or Washington. As a Washington resident, how is Oregon going to tax me? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:16:37 PM EDT
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States have no problem taxing residents of other states when they cross the border. Look at the ****ing Oregon state income tax. I've been paying that bullshit for years with NO benefits. Illegal immigrants get in state tuition before I do.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:09:05 PM EDT
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States have no problem taxing residents of other states when they cross the border. Look at the ****ing Oregon state income tax. I've been paying that bullshit for years with NO benefits. Illegal immigrants get in state tuition before I do. I thought income was always taxed where it was earned. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:32:40 PM EDT
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As a Washington resident, how is Oregon going to tax me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Oregon is doing the same thing starting next year. http://reason.org/news/show/1013709.html The state is now preparing to embark on a larger-scale demonstration project in 2015 as authorized by Senate Bill 810, a law enacted last year. Senate Bill 810 created the Road Usage Charge Program, which authorizes the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) to assess a charge of 1.5 cents per mile for up to 5,000 volunteer motorists participating in a road usage charge program, while giving them a refund on their gas taxes paid. You're still going to pay gas tax in Oregon or Washington. As a Washington resident, how is Oregon going to tax me? You pay at the pump. 
In Oregon you either use a smart phone app, install a GPS tracker/reader or else pay the tax at the pump and do not get a refund. It's all in the article. If you buy gas in Oregon you pay Oregon gas taxes. If you buy gas in Washington you pay Washington gas taxes. If you spend the majority of miles in Oregon on Washington gas tax money then you win. 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:04:16 AM EDT
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States have no problem taxing residents of other states when they cross the border. Look at the ****ing Oregon state income tax. I've been paying that bullshit for years with NO benefits. Illegal immigrants get in state tuition before I do. I thought income was always taxed where it was earned. No, it's where you actually live. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:06:48 AM EDT
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Time to go back to horse and carriage Listening to the report it was stated that they are looking at ways to include bicycles, walkers / runners (sidewalks), off-road vehicles, trains, aircraft boats, everything. Yeah, good luck with that. If they would drop the fuel tax, I could be on board with this, especially if they start taxing bikes. With all the bike lanes, and the "same road, same rules," slogans some bikers like to scream, they can start paying for those roads too. Pedestrians is beyond stupid though. Between Seattle and Olympia I swear we have some of the stupidest people in the nation. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 3:53:27 AM EDT
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If anybody wants to read the report that has been prepared for the legislature, you can find the documents here. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:24:49 PM EDT
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No, it's where you actually live. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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States have no problem taxing residents of other states when they cross the border. Look at the ****ing Oregon state income tax. I've been paying that bullshit for years with NO benefits. Illegal immigrants get in state tuition before I do. I thought income was always taxed where it was earned. No, it's where you actually live. AFAIK, this is incorrect. If you live in WA, but work in OR, you pay Oregon income tax. If you live in OR and work in WA, you still pay Oregon income tax. It would seem that it's based neither on where you live nor on where you work. Short answer, you'll be taxed if oregon CAN tax you. No other justification necessary!
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Posted: 6/18/2014 8:00:53 PM EDT
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Assuming I get 250 miles per tank at 1.5 cents per mile that would only cost me $3.75 per tank if paying by the mile,
With current Washington per gallon gas tax I am paying $0.375 per gallon, at 16 gallons to fill up I am paying $6.00 per tank. So unless I did my math wrong, then I will be paying half as much in taxes by paying per mile. Sounds OK to me |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 8:21:24 PM EDT
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Assuming I get 250 miles per tank at 1.5 cents per mile that would only cost me $3.75 per tank if paying by the mile, With current Washington per gallon gas tax I am paying $0.375 per gallon, at 16 gallons to fill up I am paying $6.00 per tank. So unless I did my math wrong, then I will be paying half as much in taxes by paying per mile. Sounds OK to me You think the state gas tax will go away? 
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:04:15 AM EDT
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States have no problem taxing residents of other states when they cross the border. Look at the ****ing Oregon state income tax. I've been paying that bullshit for years with NO benefits. Illegal immigrants get in state tuition before I do. I thought income was always taxed where it was earned. No, it's where you actually live. Incorrect. I have returns from multiple clients who do business (actually perform work, not just ship products there) in other states, and they file a return in those states, if a return is required. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 10:41:48 AM EDT
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to be honest, I'm surprised Oregon doesn't tax out of state people HIGHER income tax than residents. Nothing stopping them from doing so. What are we going to do? Vote them out of office?
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Posted: 6/19/2014 12:06:38 PM EDT
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If you buy gas in Oregon you pay Oregon gas taxes. If you buy gas in Washington you pay Washington gas taxes. If you spend the majority of miles in Oregon on Washington gas tax money then you win.
I know if you show an out of state drivers license to the cashier in washington they will waive the sales tax for normal goods. Not sure about for gas taxes though. Are they required to be collected for out of staters? |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 12:17:46 PM EDT
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Assuming I get 250 miles per tank at 1.5 cents per mile that would only cost me $3.75 per tank if paying by the mile, With current Washington per gallon gas tax I am paying $0.375 per gallon, at 16 gallons to fill up I am paying $6.00 per tank. So unless I did my math wrong, then I will be paying half as much in taxes by paying per mile. Sounds OK to me I can almost assure you that they won't lower the fuel excise tax. That is a steady stream of money, whereas mileage tax comes in once a year (per vehicle) They'll double dip on this one. Further, to keep the casino money coming in the Dems will make tribal members not have to pay milage tax as they use it on "reservation" roads. While the state goes ahead and pays for the reservations roads. |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 6:19:26 PM EDT
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I know if you show an out of state drivers license to the cashier in washington they will waive the sales tax for normal goods. Not sure about for gas taxes though. Are they required to be collected for out of staters? You have to do a bit more than show a DL from out of state. http://dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/retailsalestax/nonresidents/default.aspx |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 3:33:53 PM EDT
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Assuming I get 250 miles per tank at 1.5 cents per mile that would only cost me $3.75 per tank if paying by the mile, With current Washington per gallon gas tax I am paying $0.375 per gallon, at 16 gallons to fill up I am paying $6.00 per tank. So unless I did my math wrong, then I will be paying half as much in taxes by paying per mile. Sounds OK to me You just missed the last step: $3.75 + $6.00 = $9.75 per tank. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:23:37 PM EDT
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I know if you show an out of state drivers license to the cashier in washington they will waive the sales tax for normal goods. Not sure about for gas taxes though. Are they required to be collected for out of staters? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you buy gas in Oregon you pay Oregon gas taxes. If you buy gas in Washington you pay Washington gas taxes. If you spend the majority of miles in Oregon on Washington gas tax money then you win.
I know if you show an out of state drivers license to the cashier in washington they will waive the sales tax for normal goods. Not sure about for gas taxes though. Are they required to be collected for out of staters? That's interesting. Is this a WA law? When I am in other States, showing my WA DL does not make them cancel local sales taxes. 
ETA: just saw OP's link. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:17:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? The general idea, is to have a GPS record where you drive, and thus be able to know how much you drove on 'WA taxable' roads... Tax due when your registration is renewed. Presumably, tampering with the GPS device would result in owing tax on every mile added to your odometer since the last year... It's an 'every-road-a-toll-road' plan... And it would seriously make me consider figuring out a way to register my cars in another state... WA would end up having to find some way to enforce live-here-register-here & it would get expensive (kind of like CA with their god-awful hundreds-to-thousands-per-year car tabs & associated enforcement efforts).... |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 11:26:33 AM EDT
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well my vehicles are old enough not to have a GPS in them, and it will be a cold day in hell before I let them put one in.
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Posted: 7/3/2014 11:44:17 AM EDT
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That's where the 'black box' part of it comes in... The general idea, is to have a GPS record where you drive, and thus be able to know how much you drove on 'WA taxable' roads... Tax due when your registration is renewed. Presumably, tampering with the GPS device would result in owing tax on every mile added to your odometer since the last year... It's an 'every-road-a-toll-road' plan... And it would seriously make me consider figuring out a way to register my cars in another state... WA would end up having to find some way to enforce live-here-register-here & it would get expensive (kind of like CA with their god-awful hundreds-to-thousands-per-year car tabs & associated enforcement efforts).... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? That's where the 'black box' part of it comes in... The general idea, is to have a GPS record where you drive, and thus be able to know how much you drove on 'WA taxable' roads... Tax due when your registration is renewed. Presumably, tampering with the GPS device would result in owing tax on every mile added to your odometer since the last year... It's an 'every-road-a-toll-road' plan... And it would seriously make me consider figuring out a way to register my cars in another state... WA would end up having to find some way to enforce live-here-register-here & it would get expensive (kind of like CA with their god-awful hundreds-to-thousands-per-year car tabs & associated enforcement efforts).... They do plate enforcement, especially in the cities that are near the Oregon border. |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 12:07:31 PM EDT
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That's where the 'black box' part of it comes in... The general idea, is to have a GPS record where you drive, and thus be able to know how much you drove on 'WA taxable' roads... Tax due when your registration is renewed. Presumably, tampering with the GPS device would result in owing tax on every mile added to your odometer since the last year... https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#q=mileage+correction+tool&safe=off&tbm=shop PLUS https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#q=faraday+boxes&safe=off&tbm=shop EQUALS - A Mystery! |
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Posted: 7/6/2014 11:53:28 PM EDT
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That is my primary problem with it. I could support transitioning to purely mileage based user fee where people pay for what they actually use/consume. That seems more equitable and market based than anything. But to just layer it on top of all the existing taxes? No. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And let me guess, fuel excise taxes won't drop either... That is my primary problem with it. I could support transitioning to purely mileage based user fee where people pay for what they actually use/consume. That seems more equitable and market based than anything. But to just layer it on top of all the existing taxes? No. Gas tax already is a proportional use tax: you drive more, you pay more tax. No one should ever fool themselves about the intent of any tax initiative. This - like all taxes - is about increasing the revenue stream. Period. And like all taxes, when it "isn't enough", another new tax initiative will be in the offing. I'm waiting for the hammer to drop on a window tax... |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 5:04:19 PM EDT
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well my vehicles are old enough not to have a GPS in them, and it will be a cold day in hell before I let them put one in. then I guess you'll be walking or riding a horse, because you and I both know that the DOL will mandate that every licensed vehicle have some sort of tracking box that energizes as soon as the key is in the run position. I wonder what they expect me to do with my old 6v electrical Honda bikes. |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:03:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: then I guess you'll be walking or riding a horse, because you and I both know that the DOL will mandate that every licensed vehicle have some sort of tracking box that energizes as soon as the key is in the run position. I wonder what they expect me to do with my old 6v electrical Honda bikes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: well my vehicles are old enough not to have a GPS in them, and it will be a cold day in hell before I let them put one in. then I guess you'll be walking or riding a horse, because you and I both know that the DOL will mandate that every licensed vehicle have some sort of tracking box that energizes as soon as the key is in the run position. I wonder what they expect me to do with my old 6v electrical Honda bikes. Logically, whatever device is issued will probably have a battery-life of 1yr. Turn it in to get it read (get taxed), get a new one. If your miles-driven are way out-of-whack with your tax-bill, then you'd get stuck with the same 'prove it or pay' crap they use to tax sellers of used vehicles (Prove it's only worth 2500, or pay $6k sales tax - no matter what the purchase price was).... And if you said 'screw you, not putting that on my car' they'd tax you on your odometer numbers, out-of-state driving be damned (ergo the incentive to use the device if you drive out-of-state - it would be a tax-reducer device (the GPS) vs your odo) |
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do plate enforcement, especially in the cities that are near the Oregon border. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is pure bullshit. Not just that it is a tax, but the monitoring of your mileage to get it. Just seems so intrusive. My wife and I do 10% of our driving in Washington and 90% in Oregon. How are they going to tax me for usage of Oregon roads? That's where the 'black box' part of it comes in... The general idea, is to have a GPS record where you drive, and thus be able to know how much you drove on 'WA taxable' roads... Tax due when your registration is renewed. Presumably, tampering with the GPS device would result in owing tax on every mile added to your odometer since the last year... It's an 'every-road-a-toll-road' plan... And it would seriously make me consider figuring out a way to register my cars in another state... WA would end up having to find some way to enforce live-here-register-here & it would get expensive (kind of like CA with their god-awful hundreds-to-thousands-per-year car tabs & associated enforcement efforts).... They do plate enforcement, especially in the cities that are near the Oregon border. It's practically impossible in/around JBLM.... Out of state plates are the norm....
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:44:24 PM EDT
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Time to march up to the steps and say NO
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