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Posted: 2/20/2014 3:33:24 PM EDT
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There is a reason why it is called politics. Everyone has a pet bill or three that they want to see passed. Did anyone ever hear what Senator Kline said on the floor about HB 1016 (silencer bill) in 2011? He actually said, "I urge this body to show this bill a lot of love". The Senator Kline we all know would never say that unless he had something to gain. Someone probably persuaded Kline to give the silencer bill a hearing and then push it along through the Senate. I was at the hearing back then and he only wanted to hear from one person that signed in. As it turns out it was probably a done deal as soon as he agreed to give the billl a hearing. Later on I asked Representative Blake what kind of deal he made with Senator Kline to get that kind of support. He said, "nothing".
Of course Blake is not going to let me in on what's going on behind closed doors in Olympia. Until I get elected (that is, never) to office, I'm probably not going to find out either. What I'm trying to say is what Dawgfish said, it isn't over yet. Randy |
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Posted: 2/20/2014 5:12:04 PM EDT
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Jinkins just sent me an email and said this bill will not be heard, as others have taken priority. 
I hope they can get this shit figured out behind the scenes and get the bill a hearing. Kinda just ruined my whole day. |
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Posted: 2/20/2014 5:48:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2014 6:12:12 PM EDT
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I hope they can get this shit figured out behind the scenes and get the bill a hearing. Kinda just ruined my whole day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jinkins just sent me an email and said this bill will not be heard, as others have taken priority.
I hope they can get this shit figured out behind the scenes and get the bill a hearing. Kinda just ruined my whole day. It is being worked on. |
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Posted: 2/20/2014 6:48:27 PM EDT
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I know for a fact that numerous LEOs have contacted her over the last few days urging for a hearing.
I was initially told by her she would make sure it gets a hearing. Then today, she shat upon my Cheerios. |
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Posted: 2/20/2014 7:26:06 PM EDT
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Jinkins just sent me an email and said this bill will not be heard, as others have taken priority.
I hope they can get this shit figured out behind the scenes and get the bill a hearing. Kinda just ruined my whole day. It is being worked on. ^this - keep writing your reps, it's not over yet. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 12:00:35 AM EDT
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Wrote to my reps this evening. Exciting stuff!
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Posted: 2/21/2014 12:05:21 AM EDT
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Seems crazy that Jinkins can essentially "veto" a bill that passed the Senate already by not allowing a hearing. Or am I not seeing this correctly?
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Posted: 2/21/2014 1:41:15 AM EDT
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Seems crazy that Jinkins can essentially "veto" a bill that passed the Senate already by not allowing a hearing. Or am I not seeing this correctly? In a sense, yes. I find it frustrating that she emails me one day and says she will MAKE SURE it gets a hearing. Then the very next morning, emails me and tells me it won't be heard because it's not enough of a priority. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 3:58:33 AM EDT
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In a sense, yes. I find it frustrating that she emails me one day and says she will MAKE SURE it gets a hearing. Then the very next morning, emails me and tells me it won't be heard because it's not enough of a priority. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems crazy that Jinkins can essentially "veto" a bill that passed the Senate already by not allowing a hearing. Or am I not seeing this correctly? In a sense, yes. I find it frustrating that she emails me one day and says she will MAKE SURE it gets a hearing. Then the very next morning, emails me and tells me it won't be heard because it's not enough of a priority. 
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Posted: 2/21/2014 12:37:17 PM EDT
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I just got a WALEG Committee Agenda Update, SB 5956 is scheduled for a public hearing on 2/26 at 3:30 pm. The executive hearing for other bills is scheduled at the same time. In the past I've seen an executive hearing for a bill done right after a public hearing, so it is possible for the bill to get a pass recommendation on the 26th. Thank you Representative Blake.
If you can be there, please do so. If anyone wants to carpool to Olympia from the Belfair Bremerton area, I can take two people with me. Randy |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 2:19:37 PM EDT
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I'll be there.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:24:04 PM EDT
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I'm in. I will pass the word.
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Posted: 2/21/2014 4:55:59 PM EDT
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I'll be there. Where exactly is the hearing taking place?
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Posted: 2/21/2014 5:09:05 PM EDT
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John L O'Brien Bldg, House hearing room A.
Dress respectably. You don't have to speak if you don't want to, but at least sign up for the bill outside, stating that you support it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:08:12 PM EDT
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John L O'Brien Bldg, House hearing room A. Dress respectably. You don't have to speak if you don't want to, but at least sign up for the bill outside, stating that you support it. Is there anyone here active on WAguns forum? Perhaps it would be a good idea to cross post this information there as well. Someone active there would probably have more success than me signing up just for a single post. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 6:18:32 PM EDT
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John L O'Brien Bldg, House hearing room A. Dress respectably. You don't have to speak if you don't want to, but at least sign up for the bill outside, stating that you support it. Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? 
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Posted: 2/21/2014 7:10:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? Quote HistoryQuoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Quoted:Is there anyone here active on WAguns forum? Perhaps it would be a good idea to cross post this information there as well. Someone active there would probably have more success than me signing up just for a single post. I cross post on WAGuns.org, Seattleguns.net, NorthwestFirearms.com, PNWGuns.com, Saiga forum and SilencerTalk.com On page 8 I have directions and a small map showing the hearing buildings that are south of the capital building. Map of Capital Randy |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 7:28:15 PM EDT
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I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. I cross post on WAGuns.org, Seattleguns.net, NorthwestFirearms.com, PNWGuns.com, Saiga forum and SilencerTalk.com On page 8 I have directions and a small map showing the hearing buildings that are south of the capital building. Map of Capital Randy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Quoted:Is there anyone here active on WAguns forum? Perhaps it would be a good idea to cross post this information there as well. Someone active there would probably have more success than me signing up just for a single post. I cross post on WAGuns.org, Seattleguns.net, NorthwestFirearms.com, PNWGuns.com, Saiga forum and SilencerTalk.com On page 8 I have directions and a small map showing the hearing buildings that are south of the capital building. Map of Capital Randy Wow, you're all over it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 11:24:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Wow, you're all over it. Unless I'm going to a hearing or meeting with a legislator, most of what I do to support passing this bill is sitting on my butt and typing on the keyboard. It's an amazing internet out there. :) Randy |
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Posted: 2/21/2014 11:33:47 PM EDT
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Unless I'm going to a hearing or meeting with a legislator, most of what I do to support passing this bill is sitting on my butt and typing on the keyboard. It's an amazing internet out there. :) Randy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Wow, you're all over it. Unless I'm going to a hearing or meeting with a legislator, most of what I do to support passing this bill is sitting on my butt and typing on the keyboard. It's an amazing internet out there. :) Randy This place needs a fucking "Like" button. |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 12:20:18 AM EDT
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I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Randy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Randy Just so we're clear, under no circumstances should any camo, NRA hats, Gadsden flags, or AR15 signs be anywhere near that building on the day of the hearing. We want "parents, teachers, and engineers" to be there supporting the bill, not "hicks, rednecks, and gun nuts". |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 2:58:41 AM EDT
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Just so we're clear, under no circumstances should any camo, NRA hats, Gadsden flags, or AR15 signs be anywhere near that building on the day of the hearing. We want "parents, teachers, and engineers" to be there supporting the bill, not "hicks, rednecks, and gunnuts". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Randy Just so we're clear, under no circumstances should any camo, NRA hats, Gadsden flags, or AR15 signs be anywhere near that building on the day of the hearing. We want "parents, teachers, and engineers" to be there supporting the bill, not "hicks, rednecks, and gunnuts". HEY!........ 
In my defense, I don't really wear camo too much anyway....just some cheap blob pattern hats I got from India, occasionally. And some cabelas pants that have perfect cargo pockets for a wallet and gi-freaking-gantic cell phone, when at work.... |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 4:25:50 AM EDT
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Just so we're clear, under no circumstances should any camo, NRA hats, Gadsden flags, or AR15 signs be anywhere near that building on the day of the hearing. We want "parents, teachers, and engineers" to be there supporting the bill, not "hicks, rednecks, and gun nuts". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:Should I wear my finest matching camouflage, or is it more of a Daisy Dukes and cut off t shirt kind of event? I'm not kidding when I insist that Daisy Dukes are preferable to camo. Randy Just so we're clear, under no circumstances should any camo, NRA hats, Gadsden flags, or AR15 signs be anywhere near that building on the day of the hearing. We want "parents, teachers, and engineers" to be there supporting the bill, not "hicks, rednecks, and gun nuts". HuskyKMA, That is some really good advice and I hope that everybody will "think" BEFORE making an individual statement with wearing any type of military camo, or the paramilitary 511 type clothing, Gadsden flags, pro-guns/anti-government signs or doing the open carry of firearms on that day. I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of people and/or groups who do not want to see this bill passed or even to see the light of day "AND" will use any photos/video showing that this is only supported by "hicks, rednecks and gun-nuts" to convince everybody else that this is a very bad ideal. I think that this is very close and has a good chance of passing, but I strongly believe in the law of averages and the law of 5%, which there will always be that percentage of people who will do whatever they what regardless of the end results. Many people here put a lot of work into this and there is nothing wrong with presenting the image of a well mannered, average/everyday citizen to support them and all their efforts. As a born and raised Washingtonian, I would love to see this passed and I will be flying home to take care of some family business and support this as much as possible since I will be retiring and moving back to Western Washington next year for good. I will be wearing a coat and tie, but that's what I wear everyday for work anyway. A group of parents, teachers, business people, engineers, skilled professional AND law enforcement members are seen as "diamonds" by most politicians since individuals from these professions do vote provide support ($$$) to their other efforts and reelections. By no means am I trying to tell anybody what to do, but simply saying that it doesn't hurt to think about the big picture. As for me, I would love to SBR my HK-94, Uzi Carbine and my Colt AR-15/9mm next year!! |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 9:32:43 AM EDT
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I dress in the same clothes I wear to work in the shipyard and I nerd myself up a bit with a few pens in my pocket. If I owned a suit I would wear it. I also trim my poor excuse for a beard or shave it all off. I think I'll wear my pink plaid shirt again; that is all Ms. Jinkins has seen me in both times we ran into each other.
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Posted: 2/22/2014 10:16:40 AM EDT
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Basically all I was trying to say was what was said above. Leave the camo and gun/freedom/NRA related clothing at home that day. It is not a day to make a statement with what you wear.
Representative Jinkins is vehemently against the NRA. If you think it would be funny to get in her face by wearing that, please rethink that. Humor is fine here. Leave it here. I wear what I wear to work, slacks and a dress shirt. Randy dresses appropriately as does Tom. Think. Please. Plain vanilla nerdy banker/engineer/machinist/(insert your job here). |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 1:32:52 PM EDT
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I hear you, I was just fooling around. But I understand that this is serious, and will dress accordingly.
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Posted: 2/22/2014 7:13:25 PM EDT
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I think I'll wear my pink plaid shirt again 
Seriously, thanks for all the hard work on this one! Work commitments keep me out of the state or I'd be there as well. |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 8:42:15 PM EDT
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I dress in the same clothes I wear to work in the shipyard and I nerd myself up a bit with a few pens in my pocket. If I owned a suit I would wear it. I also trim my poor excuse for a beard or shave it all off. I think I'll wear my pink plaid shirt again; that is all Ms. Jinkins has seen me in both times we ran into each other. Randy With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. |
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Posted: 2/22/2014 10:35:50 PM EDT
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With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I dress in the same clothes I wear to work in the shipyard and I nerd myself up a bit with a few pens in my pocket. If I owned a suit I would wear it. I also trim my poor excuse for a beard or shave it all off. I think I'll wear my pink plaid shirt again; that is all Ms. Jinkins has seen me in both times we ran into each other. Randy With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. I'll pick up his team membership, bronze of course. 
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Posted: 2/22/2014 11:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. I'm not really sure how much my efforts have made a difference. I would like to think they have, but I just don't know. If anyone gives me money for a suit I think I'll spend it on gunpowder instead. Hahahahahaha. Randy |
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Posted: 2/23/2014 2:17:53 AM EDT
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I'm not really sure how much my efforts have made a difference. I would like to think they have, but I just don't know. If anyone gives me money for a suit I think I'll spend it on gunpowder instead. Hahahahahaha. Randy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. I'm not really sure how much my efforts have made a difference. I would like to think they have, but I just don't know. If anyone gives me money for a suit I think I'll spend it on gunpowder instead. Hahahahahaha. Randy Or that first SBR tax stamp. 
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Posted: 2/23/2014 5:31:05 AM EDT
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Another round of emails sent.
I contacted Representative Hunt and Wilcox. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 12:30:14 AM EDT
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This is great progress!
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Posted: 2/24/2014 4:06:38 AM EDT
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I might actually consider moving back to Washington if this passes...
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Posted: 2/24/2014 10:38:06 AM EDT
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My wife is not a big fan of Western WA; it is too cold and rainy for her; she is from Thailand. I had always planned on leaving the state in May 2023 (retirement from the shipyard) and dividing our time between MN (even more sucky gun laws, but home it is), Las Vegas and Thailand. But since the gun laws are improving, I told my wife we might have to stay here and make it our "base of operations" between trips to more exotic lands. She was not amused.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 3:32:08 PM EDT
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I'm planning on heading down for the hearing... the wife might even come along as well since neither of us has ever had the experience before.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:20:42 PM EDT
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I'm planning on heading down for the hearing... the wife might even come along as well since neither of us has ever had the experience before. Cool. We could use some support. Make sure you sign in and mark that you are in support of the bill. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 5:38:15 PM EDT
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I received a reply email from Jinkins last night. She got my name wrong. Response was what I expected but I'm hoping she is being pressured by the amount of emails and calls.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 8:12:28 PM EDT
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What was her response?
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:56:21 PM EDT
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No mention of the bill. Just asking if I spoke on behalf of my department or as an individual.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 11:37:35 PM EDT
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Or that first SBR tax stamp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:With all you've done... and if this gets passed. I have $100 to donate towards you getting a suit, and I am pretty sure a few other people around here will match that offer. I'm not really sure how much my efforts have made a difference. I would like to think they have, but I just don't know. If anyone gives me money for a suit I think I'll spend it on gunpowder instead. Hahahahahaha. Randy Or that first SBR tax stamp. IN ! You guys are also representing those of us who can not go in person ourselves. Thank you for your service. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 1:10:51 AM EDT
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See you all there!!!
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Posted: 2/25/2014 10:43:04 AM EDT
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No mention of the bill. Just asking if I spoke on behalf of my department or as an individual. They all want to know if you are representing yourself or an organization; standard practise. That is why I want to be able to say I represent more than myself. The larger gun groups are not interested in having me, so I'm looking at smaller groups or even forming my own. Randy |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:11:47 PM EDT
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So is tomorrow "D" day for this bill?
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:52:11 PM EDT
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Tommorrow is the hearing. We need to get it out of committee by Friday and voted on by next Friday on the floor of the house, I believe. That's my interpretation of the cut-off dates. Anybody else?
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:28:54 PM EDT
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http://www.leg.wa.gov/legislature/pages/cutoff.aspx
February 28, 2014 Last day to read in committee reports from opposite house,
March 7, 2014* Last day to consider opposite house bills (5 p.m.) March 13, 2014 Last day allowed for regular session under state constitution. This Friday to get an executive hearing and next Friday to get it passed on the House floor. Hopefully Jinkins has the public hearing for 5956 first then includes it along with the rest of the bills scheduled for the executive hearing. Randy |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:32:01 PM EDT
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Thanks for clarifying.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 7:46:29 PM EDT
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I will be there for the hearing.
Remember if you are going to press the flesh with your representatives, and the people on the Rules Committee. Even just stopping by their office and saying, Please vote this out of rules when it get there helps. also for those that can not make it the link below can be used: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5956 there is a link at the top to Comment on This Bill. |
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Posted: 2/26/2014 10:17:52 AM EDT
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This is the day guys! Wish I could be there. Good luck to those who are going!
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