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Posted: 7/17/2012 9:54:43 PM
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The next practical rifle match at Upper Nisqually will be 21 July. Orientation for new shooters starts at 8 AM for anyone who hasn't shot these matches before, match starts at 10am. The orientation is a one time deal. You will need about 10-20 (est) rounds for the orientation and no more than 80 rounds for the match. Targets for the match will be from 100 to 550 yards.

Anyone wanting the course of fire should send an email requesting the course of fire to "practicalriflewa@gmail.com" and I'll send you a copy. Entry fee is $20.

Match is limited to the first 10 shooters to sign up. This way, we can be done earlier. Send an email to the above email address if you want a space reserved at the match.

Because the match is an all steel target match, no bullets with any ferrous content will be allowed as they damage the steel targets. All rounds will be checked with a magnet prior to the match. The nice part about an all steel target match is that we don't have to stop to tape up targets.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:29:44 PM
Is there any online videos of this to show an example of what the match is like? I work Saturday, but I may try to get one off to shoot the match sometime. I am a member at Upper Nisqually, and I would love to get into shooting these. Is a Nosler Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertip ok for shooting steel?
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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:09:57 PM
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If you go to youtube and enter "practical rifle" you will see a bunch of videos from Tri-county gun club in Sherwood, Oregon where I used to shoot. The primary difference between their matches an the ones I'm running here, is that the matches at Nisqually are all steel targets so we don't have to past up targets. Also, the Nisqually range goes out to 550 yards, and the tri-county range in the big pit only goes out to just under 500 yards. Most of the long distance stages at tri-county go to about 350 yards unless they are doing a precision rifle match.

At Nisqually, I set targets from 100 to 550 yards at every match. The stages at Nisqually may have targets at any combination of distances from 100 to 550 yards. So knowing the dope for your loads is HUGE advantage. Some stages are only at one distance, but I try to mix up the distances in most of the stages. Entry is $20.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 8:30:43 PM
Damn, dude. Only 10 shooters?
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Yep limited to 10 but so far, hardly anyone shows up so it isn't an issue. It seems there are lots more people who talk alot about shooting than actually using a new venue. I understand that everyone gets into their "groove" with various shooting sports, but I came from a club that has had to consider limiting match attendance as they regularly get 55-75 shooters per match. So I was sort of surprised at the low turnout up here. Nisqually wants to see how it works out first before they put the discipline on the calendar on a regular basis.

Frankly, I think they are going to have a pretty good case for why the discipline shouldn't get the range for a regular range reservation. With such a small turnout, it is really hard to justify such a small group of people hogging the one really good 550 yard range for that much time on a weekend when other members would like to come out and just plink. If attendance doesn't pick up in a month or so, I don't think I will have a very good case for asking them to let me keep getting the range reserved for this discipline.

The club has asked me about multi-gun matches, but I think that is putting the cart before the horse if there aren't even many people showing up for rifle matches. Even at the club there are fellows who see what we are doing and tell me how they would do so great with their Garand, or whatever rifle they have. But when match day comes along, they are no where to be found. Armchair warriors I guess.

I was trying to get another shooting venue available for people over on the wet side of the state, but apparently my efforts were mostly a waste of time as very few people show up. I don't know if it is the distance to the club or what it is, but for whatever reason, not many people show up. The excuses, or reasons why people don't show up are largely irrelevant. Either they show up or they don't. I gave up trying to control other people a long time ago.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 12:18:12 AM
tried a rimfire match? same basic course of fire just sub-calibre? Cost might be the main issue.
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Originally Posted By Genin:
Yep limited to 10 but so far, hardly anyone shows up so it isn't an issue. It seems there are lots more people who talk alot about shooting than actually using a new venue. I understand that everyone gets into their "groove" with various shooting sports, but I came from a club that has had to consider limiting match attendance as they regularly get 55-75 shooters per match. So I was sort of surprised at the low turnout up here. Nisqually wants to see how it works out first before they put the discipline on the calendar on a regular basis.

Frankly, I think they are going to have a pretty good case for why the discipline shouldn't get the range for a regular range reservation. With such a small turnout, it is really hard to justify such a small group of people hogging the one really good 550 yard range for that much time on a weekend when other members would like to come out and just plink. If attendance doesn't pick up in a month or so, I don't think I will have a very good case for asking them to let me keep getting the range reserved for this discipline.

The club has asked me about multi-gun matches, but I think that is putting the cart before the horse if there aren't even many people showing up for rifle matches. Even at the club there are fellows who see what we are doing and tell me how they would do so great with their Garand, or whatever rifle they have. But when match day comes along, they are no where to be found. Armchair warriors I guess.

I was trying to get another shooting venue available for people over on the wet side of the state, but apparently my efforts were mostly a waste of time as very few people show up. I don't know if it is the distance to the club or what it is, but for whatever reason, not many people show up. The excuses, or reasons why people don't show up are largely irrelevant. Either they show up or they don't. I gave up trying to control other people a long time ago.


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Posted: 7/20/2012 2:16:28 AM
I would go if it was on a Sunday. I work saturday.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 11:21:48 AM
I bet if you passed out some flyers (like a punk rock show) at FNRL, there would be at least 10 people just from there.

Most of them don't post on arfcom or TOS.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:06:58 PM
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I have posted on this website, snipershide, ShootersNW, Seattleguns, WAguns and Northwestfirearms web sites about the matches.

It seems that no matter where I post, the bottom line is that people just don't show up. With the lack of interest I have seen so far, it doesn't seem like it would be time effective for me to drive an hour up and an hour back to the FNRL to tell people about a match that they probably already know about. My guess is that 90% of the people who go to the FNRL thread have seen my posting about the other match.

I thought that posting something on the FNRL thread about another match would be thread hijacking, so I took the route of posting another thread.


(edited to add waguns)
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Posted: 7/20/2012 3:31:40 PM
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If it was on a Sunday, I would go. If you look at almost every shooting event held on the weekends for USPSA, steel Matches, IDPA, etc..... they are held on Sundays. Why, because people can't make it Saturday.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 4:07:12 PM
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Before I scheduled the match, I had to check with Upper Nisqually and find out which days the range was available. Then I took the days the range was available, and consulted with other people who run rifle matches (sorry, not IDPA or IPSC, just rifle) and was told that of the days I could get the range, the best one to pick was the 3rd Saturday so that it wouldn't conflict with other matches. That is how I ended up with that date.

I realize that no matter which day I pick, either the range won't be available, someone will have a conflict with that date, or the match will be in conflict with another match. So there is no way I can pick a date that will work for everyone. I had to pick a day to try and offer another venue for rifle shooters, so I went with the 3rd Saturday. There is simply no way I can pick a day that will work out for everyone, lack any conflicts with other matches and be on a day the range is available for use.


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Posted: 7/21/2012 12:49:44 PM
It takes time to get a match going, Believe it or not, the majority of the real shooters do not read or post on forums. If its a quality match word will get out and the match will fill up. One thing I have noticed is that the dates for your match have conflicted with larger, out of town multigun matches the last couple of months, your loosing a few possible candidates to that.
At the local matches, I have been hearing rumors about upper Nisqually possibly holding 3-gun matches . I don't know if that is this match or another, BUT a 3-gun match will draw the people.
Some people shoot matches every weekend (myself included) and have a scedule. It would really like to try yours out but up till now it has conflicted with other matches .If it were a true multi-gun match it would go to the top of my list and I will bet I could round up a dozen experienced (travel to shoot matches) shooters.
If you want PM me you number and I'll call you.

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Thanks for hosting the match - always good to get out and shoot.
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Originally Posted By actionshooter:
It takes time to get a match going, Believe it or not, the majority of the real shooters do not read or post on forums. If its a quality match word will get out and the match will fill up. One thing I have noticed is that the dates for your match have conflicted with larger, out of town multigun matches the last couple of months, your loosing a few possible candidates to that.

(RESPONSE): I picked the 3rd Saturday as that was one of the very few range days Nisqually had open, and after asking people who ran some of the other rifle matches in the area, the 3rd saturday was the one with the least conflict. I didn't inquire about multi-gun, or pistol matches as I was only looking into getting another venue for rifle shooters. There are already plenty of short range matches for pistol, shotgun, and some multi-gun. But for rifle matches where ranges go over 200 yards, there is very little available on the wet side (around Puget Sound). That is how I ended up with the 3rd Saturday. On weekends, Nisqually's ranges are taken up about 70% of the weekend days. Members there (understandably) are starting to get upset that the long distance ranges are almost never available on weekends, so I was really pleased that the club would even consider giving me any weekend date.

At the local matches, I have been hearing rumors about upper Nisqually possibly holding 3-gun matches . I don't know if that is this match or another, BUT a 3-gun match will draw the people.

(RESPONSE):After about 6-8 months of working with the board, Nisqually was kind enough to allow me to try starting up a practical rifle discipline. The only money for the match comes from entrance fees, and I'm about $200-300 in the hole trying to get things to get this started. The club hasn't provided any money for the matches, and the only RO's so far are participants who are kind enough to help out.
So far, the people attending have been really great about helping out as they realize this is put on for them to have fun. For now, because the participation is fairly limited, any multi-gun matches are a long way off. Before any multi-gun matches could happen, we would need Nisqually to allow us to use more than one range, shot timers, and different targets. All of those things require money that the club isn't providing so far.

Please don't get me wrong, as I'm very grateful that the board was even willing to take a chance on rifle matches, and I appreciate the support I have received so far. If we do get enough participation, and perhaps if the club decides to put some money toward the discipline, then I would really enjoy multi gun matches. I think multi-gun matches are a ton of fun.
Some people shoot matches every weekend (myself included) and have a scedule. It would really like to try yours out but up till now it has conflicted with other matches .If it were a true multi-gun match it would go to the top of my list and I will bet I could round up a dozen experienced (travel to shoot matches) shooters.
If you want PM me you number and I'll call you.

Just my 2 cents


(RESPONSE) I greatly appreciate people taking the time to let me know what is going on. That is the only way I can get information to use in order to try and make things better. Anyone who has run matches knows that when you run the match, you really don't get the time to have fun and shoot. I'm not bitching as I really enjoy seeing people having a good time smacking the steel targets. I'm hoping that eventually word will get out, and the discipline will expand enough that other people will want to have input into organizing and running things.

Thanks very much. (Sincerely)
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Posted: 7/23/2012 9:09:46 PM
Don't take my post wrong, I have a ton of respect for anyone who is willing to take on the task of match director. I was just pointing out a couple of reasons why your attendence might be low. Don't give up, like I said. If its a quality match, word will get around and then you will be wishing for less shooters.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 10:32:19 PM
So, how did it turn out?
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We have had two matches so far. Both went well. Fortunately, the people who show up have all been decent people, with no jerks or "I'm king crap" types showing up. I am trying to get Upper Nisqually to put the 3rd Saturday of each month on the calendar, but am having a bit of a problem getting return communication from the guy who actually puts things onto the schedule. So far, he has been really helpful, just a bit slow about responding to emails.

It is understandably difficult for most people to attend a match with only a week or two notice. The club is now working on the schedule for next year, and I'm hoping to get a regular place on the schedule. I'm still trying to get the 3rd Saturday in August confirmed.

Anyone who wants on the email list to get info should send something really short telling me that you want on the email list. Something as brief as "I'm in" will work. Then, I'll send emails to everyone on the list whenever information is available. practicalriflewa@gmail.com is the address to send the "I'm in" or "put me on the mailing list" to.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 11:25:20 PM
Sounds cool, I am a member there anyway.. I enjoy UNSC I would like to try one of your matches. Me a my buds have access to a bunch of action targets steel if needed...
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Posted: 8/12/2012 2:07:14 PM
The Board at Upper Nisqually just informed me that we get the 550 yard range for matches on the 3rd Saturday of August, September, and October. They were also kind enough to give us a stipend we can use to buy a decent timer, and some other supplies like paint, and misc. stuff for target stands.

Anyone who has steel (or a decent timer) is welcome to bring it along. If you let me ahead of time what you have, I can try and incorporate it into the course of fire. Any new, or different targets are fun. We limit power level on the rifles in order to reduce possibility of any damage to targets. Unless we put all the targets further than 300 yards, no magnums will be allowed. We may do a magnum allowed match later on, but for now, the upper power limit are things like, 8mm Mauser, 260 Remington, 30-06, 308, 6.5 Swede, 303 British, and similar cartridges.

If you get the chance to say anything to Board members, please thank them for being kind enough to give us a fair chance to start up a new discipline. That is very cool of them. But, they are one of the few clubs that still allows the 50 cal shooters, so the Board has shown that they aren't overly influenced by the "politically correct" nonsense.