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Posted: 6/25/2014 10:52:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:04:10 AM EDT
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Tim Forshey does quite a few. I think he quoted me $300 when I was looking at getting one. Derek at AZEX does them with Quicken for $60 I think and I've never heard of any problems (other than Derek being a grouchy gunsmith, but that's par for the course). It might be simpler to go the route on the provided link though.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:39:54 AM EDT
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I did it through the link, and have used it for Two suppressors.
All it cost was getting it notarized. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:44:16 AM EDT
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Tim Forshey does quite a few. I think he quoted me $300 when I was looking at getting one. Derek at AZEX does them with Quicken for $60 I think and I've never heard of any problems (other than Derek being a grouchy gunsmith, but that's par for the course). It might be simpler to go the route on the provided link though. +1 for Tim Forshey. 602-266-7667 I would keep his number on hand even if you do not use him for your trust needs. Having the number to a pro-gun attorney can never hurt! |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:57:16 AM EDT
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I thought they did away with doing a trust for class 3?
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:56:02 PM EDT
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I thought they did away with doing a trust for class 3? Jon Nope |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:54:22 PM EDT
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Thanks guys!
Dumb Question : Can a Gun Trust Lawyer in Las Vegas NV write a Gun Trust for me for Arizona? |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:51:21 PM EDT
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I would guess so, I think it's all about verbage and where it ws notarized.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:15:29 PM EDT
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I would guess so, I think it's all about verbage and where it ws notarized. Thanks, looks like Im either gonna go thru an AZ lawyer or write on up myself from the link above. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:05:37 PM EDT
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I thought they did away with doing a trust for class 3? Jon Nope Can someone elaborate? I remember Obummer was going to do some executive order crap to close down gun trusts for NFA. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:11:39 PM EDT
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Double Tap.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 7:13:24 AM EDT
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Can someone elaborate? I remember Obummer was going to do some executive order crap to close down gun trusts for NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought they did away with doing a trust for class 3? Jon Nope Can someone elaborate? I remember Obummer was going to do some executive order crap to close down gun trusts for NFA. GD thread on the subject I haven't stayed up to date recently, but last I heard the changes were still on the table but you're looking at next year before anything is implemented. ETA - I don't think they have grounds really to "do away with a trust" as a purchasing entity, since a trust is a legally recognized entity. They were just looking at making it so everyone responsible for a trust would have to jump through the same hoops as if they were doing an individual transfer. |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 8:36:45 AM EDT
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I use Eric English in Prescott, AZ. So have several other members here, and a lot of our students, as well.
English Law Firm He's not just a lawyer, but also a real gun guy, shooter, hunter, family man, and a member here on ARFCOM. Plus you know where he stands when you see the back of his truck: 
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks guys! Dumb Question : Can a Gun Trust Lawyer in Las Vegas NV write a Gun Trust for me for Arizona? |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:58:13 AM EDT
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I ended up using David Goldman. Aka "The Gun Trust Lawyer". Yeah I could've used someone local and probably would've cheaper too but, I was pressed for time when I did last year due the whole 41P stuff. Mind you he does use local lawyers to draft and finalize your trust. Plus the few times I have had questions him and his staff always answered my questions, even on a weekend.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:19:20 PM EDT
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Any other Gun Trust Lawyers in AZ that anyone would like to share?
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Posted: 6/28/2014 12:36:16 PM EDT
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Has anyone used Tom Bouman in tucson? The cost appears to be $495 which seems a little high compared to what others have posted. It looks like he specializes in trusts/wills and I like the idea of using someone local so I can have a face to face appointment.
Any input is appreciated! |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 4:32:22 PM EDT
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Perhaps I lack vision, or a certain paranoia, but I'm in about $3K just in stamps on my $8 copy of Quicken Willmaker.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 5:16:59 PM EDT
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Perhaps I lack vision, or a certain paranoia, but I'm in about $3K just in stamps on my $8 copy of Quicken Willmaker. It's all about protection that is specific. A general will is different that a firearms/NFA specific will in language and execution. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 5:59:28 AM EDT
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+1 for Tim Forshey. 602-266-7667 I would keep his number on hand even if you do not use him for your trust needs. Having the number to a pro-gun attorney can never hurt! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tim Forshey does quite a few. I think he quoted me $300 when I was looking at getting one. Derek at AZEX does them with Quicken for $60 I think and I've never heard of any problems (other than Derek being a grouchy gunsmith, but that's par for the course). It might be simpler to go the route on the provided link though. +1 for Tim Forshey. 602-266-7667 I would keep his number on hand even if you do not use him for your trust needs. Having the number to a pro-gun attorney can never hurt! I have one of his cards in my wallet in case I need to make that self defense shoot, met him years and years ago at shooters world. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:45:43 PM EDT
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I'd just use the DIY. That's what I did and then had it reviewed by an attorney. It was cheaper that way as opposed to having them write the entire thing up. They didn't make any changes.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 5:42:51 PM EDT
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I was looking into getting a can and found a law firm that is doing gun trusts in only a handful of states, Arizona being one of them, for $125.
Having an actual lawyer behind it makes me feel better than using quicken. I did a bit of looking around and the guy seem legit, he is a gun guy as well. http://thefirearmlawyers.com/ Tim Forshey is a gun guy as well, did my CCW with him at SGC. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:30:55 PM EDT
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Another +1 for Tim Forshey.
Heck of a nice guy. Really helped me out a few months back. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:40:59 AM EDT
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It's all about protection that is specific. A general will is different that a firearms/NFA specific will in language and execution. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps I lack vision, or a certain paranoia, but I'm in about $3K just in stamps on my $8 copy of Quicken Willmaker. It's all about protection that is specific. A general will is different that a firearms/NFA specific will in language and execution. Quicken Willmaker makes trusts, too... I've got a fat stack of stamps to show for it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:19:51 AM EDT
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Quicken Willmaker makes trusts, too... I've got a fat stack of stamps to show for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps I lack vision, or a certain paranoia, but I'm in about $3K just in stamps on my $8 copy of Quicken Willmaker. It's all about protection that is specific. A general will is different that a firearms/NFA specific will in language and execution. Quicken Willmaker makes trusts, too... I've got a fat stack of stamps to show for it. Getting stamps approved doesn't mean it will hold up to scrutiny when you pass away or cover the different specific scenarios that could potentially arise with the intricacies of NFA items. Per your trust, what happens to your NFA items if your beneficiary is a prohibited possessor at the point your trust assets need to be distributed? I'm guessing yours doesn't cover that, but it's kindof the point of the thing. If you're just wanting a vehicle to allow you to purchase NFA items without CLEO and prints, etc., then great, but personally I wouldn't burden my beneficiaries with my personal lack of concern. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from using such programs to setup NFA trusts, but I abhor this smugness about doing this kind of thing on the cheap like it's something to beat your chest about. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:41:52 PM EDT
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Getting stamps approved doesn't mean it will hold up to scrutiny when you pass away or cover the different specific scenarios that could potentially arise with the intricacies of NFA items. Per your trust, what happens to your NFA items if your beneficiary is a prohibited possessor at the point your trust assets need to be distributed? I'm guessing yours doesn't cover that, but it's kindof the point of the thing. If you're just wanting a vehicle to allow you to purchase NFA items without CLEO and prints, etc., then great, but personally I wouldn't burden my beneficiaries with my personal lack of concern. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from using such programs to setup NFA trusts, but I abhor this smugness about doing this kind of thing on the cheap like it's something to beat your chest about. Nail on the head, better than I could say it. In fact, we'll be talking more about this (among other things) on next week's show, where we will have Eric English (see the photo with the Gadsen tailgate above) on as a guest. The Arms Room |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:13:12 PM EDT
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Per your trust, what happens to your NFA items if your beneficiary is a prohibited possessor at the point your trust assets need to be distributed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps I lack vision, or a certain paranoia, but I'm in about $3K just in stamps on my $8 copy of Quicken Willmaker. It's all about protection that is specific. A general will is different that a firearms/NFA specific will in language and execution. Quicken Willmaker makes trusts, too... I've got a fat stack of stamps to show for it. Per your trust, what happens to your NFA items if your beneficiary is a prohibited possessor at the point your trust assets need to be distributed? Then it will be illegal for for my beneficiary to receive my trust assets, just like it already is. I'm not selling anything...I'm just saying. |
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