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Posted: 8/3/2012 8:42:32 PM

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After going to the Doc and then seeing a film of me that 2Feathers put on facebook when we were training in Minneapolis I've decided NEVER to look like that again. I began when we got back and went to the Doc yesterday and weighed in at 230. South Beach diet and working out will do it. My goal is 225 by next week then 3-4 lbs a week until I'm 200. I've done it before but it took complete humiliation for me to do this.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 9:40:30 PM
Good on you, that's awesome.
I need to do something too. Did it myself years ago, seems to be harder now. Might need to look into Medi Fast or South Beach.
Keep it up!
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:29:50 AM
get on the south beach site, then get the book and follow it.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:36:34 AM
Originally Posted By threefeathers:
get on the south beach site, then get the book and follow it.


Was checking out the Paleo thread in GD too. Sounds similar to South Beach and Adkins.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 12:39:41 AM
Did atkins with great progress then plateaud for weeks. I'll look at south beach.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:23:45 AM
I'm doing weight watchers.

Went from 269 down to 216 right now.
If you get stuck on the south each diet try weight watchers. Track your fat, carbs,fiber,protein to determine points for a food item.

I like it because I weigh in each week at a meeting so I can't "cheat" the scale.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:40:09 AM
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Posted: 8/4/2012 1:41:26 AM
Originally Posted By danelen:
Did atkins with great progress then plateaud for weeks. I'll look at south beach.


everyone 'hits the wall' on Atkins, the trick is to carb up for a whole day to kick yourself out of ketosis and then jump back in.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 2:20:21 AM
Body for Life,
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Posted: 8/4/2012 3:14:31 PM
Originally Posted By Diggs91:
Body for Life,


South Beach seems to be a complete system, good carbs, more energy than Atkins for me. Once down, I can do body for life.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 6:29:48 PM
You can track calories and exercise online and on smartphones for free with MyFitnessPal. All I have done is track my food and I have lost 20 lbs in 2 months. I haven't changed what I eat just the amount. I don't like fad dieting ideas because most of the time you will not do it for the rest of your life so you end up gaining the weight back. It's all about calories consumed vs energy burned.

And eat real food. Keep fast food and soda off the table.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 7:44:26 PM
Originally Posted By Redneck-Raider:
You can track calories and exercise online and on smartphones for free with MyFitnessPal. All I have done is track my food and I have lost 20 lbs in 2 months. I haven't changed what I eat just the amount. I don't like fad dieting ideas because most of the time you will not do it for the rest of your life so you end up gaining the weight back. It's all about calories consumed vs energy burned.

And eat real food. Keep fast food and soda off the table.


Thank you redneck, I'm going to do just what you suggested.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 3:24:41 PM
I've really struggled with conventional diets about 3 times in my life. All those times I've also felt bad while doing them. Always tired and feeling run-down without energy. And always hungry. Moreover, when I did lose weight with conventional diets I would always manage to eventually gain it back because I never changed my lifestyle.

Recently, I started a modified low carb diet. Not the unhealthy no carb Atkins style diet but a modified one were you severely limit carbs (only 50 per day) 2 days a week and then introduce greater amounts of carbs in the rest of the week. (By cycling like this your body doesn't jump to starvation mode and decrease metabolism which will just make matters worse in trying to lose weight.) The proteins are, off course, not limited. The other 4 days of the week I eat more carbs but in a moderate way. Then one day a week I take a break and eat anything as long as its in moderate amounts. This "cheat" day keeps me from going crazy and ditching the whole thing and also works to keep the metabolism a bit off balance.

I feel better and have more energy than with regular diets. Moreover, I never experience the hunger pains like in the conventional "counting calories" type of diets. So far I've lost
22 pounds in about a 2 1/2 month time span. I'm projecting that to lose the weight and get in better shape will take a total of about one years time. (For maintaining once I do get to my target weight I'll change to one no-carb day, 4 moderate carb days and 2 days where I can eat anything I like.)

Just planning a slow and steady routine instead of blasting off a large amount of weight and then gaining it back soon after like I've done in the past.
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Dieting never works. People go from one to the next hoping that the promises are going to work this time. That's why there's Atkins, South Beach, Grapefruit, fat burning pills, HGC, Paleo, and the list goes on and on. The hard part that nobody seems to get is that if you diet and loose 75 pounds; you can't stop exercising and go back to your old eating habits or you will be chasing that rainbow forever. You have to make up you mind that you are going to eat healthy foods and eat what you need to sustain your target weight. Not eat whatever because you lose weight and now it's time to get back to the good stuff.

Here's what works; fewer calories in than you have going out. If you eat a healthy, balanced diet of real foods and exercise, you will lose weight. If you eat 3000 calories and burn 2000 calories, you gain weight. If you eat 2000 calories and burn 3000, you lose weight. It's not rocket science. And you don't need Jenny Craig to tell you how to do it.

DO NOT shop anywhere in the supermarket except the perimeter. That's where the fresh food is. Don't buy shit in a can. Don't buy shit in a box. Don't buy shit in a bag. Don't buy shit that's frozen except veggies.

If you eat a couple of babnanas with your coffee in the morning, that delicious pile of fat and sugar called a doughnut won't be so alluring. Get the munchies during the day? Chow down on a couple of apples and oranges. Eat some almonds and raisins. Drink lots of water.

For dinner, grill some chicken breasts and make a salad to go along with it. Throw some craisins and nuts on it to make it interesting. Use vinaigrette of some kind for dressing. Throw away all the Ranch dressing and recalibrate your palette so you aren't lusting for a mouth full of fat every time you eat. Eat baked and grilled fish.

Get used to eating real food and cut the crap out and you will lose weight, feel better and probably have more regular and healthier bowel movements.

I'm not telling you to condemn yourself to a life of bland and uninteresting food. Actually, it's just the opposite. You will be challenged to find ways to make really good tasting food.
The internet has every imaginable recipe at your finger tips.

You don't have to stop eating junk food entirely. Just look at what you are doing now and see where you can make changes. And those changes need to be life changes or you will be searching out the next miracle diet next year when all that weight you worked so hard to lose finds its way back home. Stop eating fast food except for once a month or so. If all your buddies want to stop for grease and salt at Burger King, get a burger one of every 4 times. The other 3 times get a salad with chicken. Have a scoop or two of ice cream once a week. It's not going to matter. But, if you are looking for ways to rationalize why it's okay to eat a frozen pizza for dinner every other night, followed by box of Oreos and wash it all down with 1/2 gallon of diet coke, just eat the junk and accept that you are going to be obese with a lot of health problems as you get older. You should buy life insurance while you still can. Before the insurance companies tell you you aren't worth their risk.

I am not overweight, but I do restrict my sodium. That's pretty much the game plan as losing weight. Since I stopped eating most processed food (shit in a can, bag, box) and eat mostly fresh prepared food, my weight dropped from 198 to 189. I'm 6'1". I feel a lot better.

My ex-wife was a yo-yo dieter and watching what she did and was completely unaware of was interesting. The problem was she never saw dieting as anything other than a way to take off pounds. Once she did that, it was "mission accomplished" and back to eating crap until she ballooned up again.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 2:55:24 PM
I always made weight in the Army and I can keep it down when motivated. I put weight on 8 years ago when I wrote a novel, had a New York and Hollywood agent and the N Y Agent would call me at night, every night during the re-write and I started drinking beer and not working out. The novel is set in West Africa, Al Q against the U S and I am doing another re-write with a new agent. This time I'm going to lose the weight and keep it off.
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I wish you the best, brother. I probably came across harsher than I intended to. I just wanted to make the point that there's no magic potion or pill. It's a lifestyle change. But you know that. And good luck with the book.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:12:15 PM
Originally Posted By LarryThePirate:
I wish you the best, brother. I probably came across harsher than I intended to. I just wanted to make the point that there's no magic potion or pill. It's a lifestyle change. But you know that. And good luck with the book.


Thank you so much.
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Details on book when available. Oh, and good job.
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Nice job making the decision. I think a very strict 10-12 week diet is a good idea to kick-start your momentum but then you need to settle in on something more sustainable for the long term. I've been doing a modified paleo diet for a couple of years and the wife started doing the same in January. We've both had great success changing our entire lifestyle 末 not just the eating. By "modified" I mean I allow brown rice and whole oats on occasion, and also have a cheat meal once a week. I also allow myself to have a cheat weekend on occasion if there is an event or holiday when I'd like to just enjoy the festivities. It's better to do it this way once you have achieved your goal and run this kind of diet as a form of maintenance. The wife and I both did a very strict 10 week fitness challenge at the beginning of the year and had fantastic results, but that kind of strict dieting is just sustainable IMO for the long term. We were both dreaming of food by the time it ended and it's very mentally taxing to have that kind of discipline over a long period of time.

Incidentally, the wife won the challenge at our gym and we're going on a cruise in Sept. She lost 35lbs and 11% body fat during that time frame, and improved all areas of her fitness in the process. I'm proud as hell of that woman. All the best in your progress.
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P90X and "Insanity" are both extremely good workout routines for getting you back in the groove. They are largely body weight and require little to no equipment. They can be done completely at your pace and in the privacy of your own home. You can modify them, omit certain things if your knees/etc can't handle the load, etc. Many guys at work have used them to get ready for high-speed low-drag tactical academies, with great success. Personally, I have to have a plan when I go to the gym, or else I'm all over the place wasting time. P90X and Insanity both give you a plan, a routine to follow. This helps.

Having said that, remember what you learned in high school health class... Muscle burns fat. Even at rest, muscle consumes fat. So the more muscle you have, the more fat you burn. That's not to say you need to become a meathead with a neck thicker than your jaw. But weight training, even with very light weights, is critical, IMO, to overall health. I like to use light weights often because it allows me to do very large movements with my body, which in turn allows me to really stretch my muscles and ligaments. I like to complete exercises using the fullest range of motion my joints will allow, and I feel good solid stretches throughout. Its awesome and has done wonders for my flexibility and mobility.

Also, I have made the mistake of watching other folks in the gym, and then forgetting to check my ego at the door. CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR. Just because the guy next to you is putting up 315lbs on the bench doesn't mean you should do it. I've been injured to the point where I can't work out for three, six, even twelve months. All because I forgot to check my ego at the door and go at MY pace. When I first got back in, I did my favorite shoulder exercises with the PINK 5lb weights. I got a lot of looks. But within a few weeks I was strong, limber, moved up to "real" weights, and most importantly, uninjured. This is YOUR health, and you are working out for YOU. So what if some badass stud is in there kissing his biceps in the mirror while doing curls with 100lbs? He's of no consequence to you. This is YOUR workout.

On diet... Would you put 87 octane, watered down gas from the cheapest station in town in a Dodge Viper? Your body is no different. The only source of fuel your body gets is from diet! Diet is 90% of overall health. Let me say that again... Diet is 90% of overall health. You can eat healthy and clean and go for evening walks with your wife and see fantastic results. Of course its easier to put a $30 delivered pizza on a credit card after a long day, rather than spend an hour preparing a fresh, healthy meal from scratch. But remember, your body is relying on YOU to properly nourish it. I eat lots of clean fresh lean meats (chicken, salmon, talapia, tuna, eggs, turkey, very lean red meats) and LOTS of GREEN veggies. Fruit is good too for fiber, but remember the high sugar content. An apple is still better than a candy bar. WHOLE GRAINS. Not enriched, not bleached. True whole grains. I eat breads, oats, spaghetti... All whole grain.

I read a book years ago called "You: the manual" (or something to that effect). I think Dr. Oz wrote it. Nothing in that book is rocket science, but it changed my life forever. We all learned how to be healthy in elementary school health class and gym class. We just forgot along the way. This book was instrumental in helping me get my mind back in the game. Everything is very simple, and you should take baby steps. Small victories. I highly recommend this book. Remember its easier and cheaper to buy a bag of Doritos than it is to put together your own mix of fresh nuts (I buy almonds, walnuts, and pecans and throw them all into a huge ziplock bag, $30 and it lasts me 7-10 days). Society in general has made it easier to eat like crap. Fight the power.

Heart health is critically important. Blood supplies oxygen and nutrients to the entire body 末 its the only delivery system we have! Don't neglect the heart and lungs. Cardio, even light cardio, will do wonders for your energy levels, sleep patterns, and overall mood. Water is key. Drink it until you can't stand it, and then drink some more. Water lubricates joints, keeps tendons and ligaments pliable, and volumizes muscle tissue, allowing for more nutrients to reach key tissues. Water up!

The biggest hurdle in this endeavor of yours, and I salute you for taking it on, is making it a HABIT. As others have covered, fad diets are short term. Their sole purpose, despite what anyone else says, is to make the inventor rich. Many of them are sound, and based in science, but you have to stick with them. Atkins is not healthy (I won't go into it here). A BALANCED diet is key. Allow yourself a cheat day once a week 末 but don't go overboard. You are not "dieting," you are making a lifestyle change. Once this diet and exercise routine becomes a true habit, you will find it easier and easier to stick with. Once you feel and see your health improvements, it will motivate you to continue. Stay with it! You are buying yourself more time with your loved ones by staying healthy and fit. In time, a bag of Oreo cookies will simply not be desirable. In time, you will CRAVE gym time, and even move things around in your daily schedule to accommodate it. It becomes a health addiction 末 and at that point its easier to keep at it!

There are tons of diets all over the internet... I like the sample meal plans on bodybuilding.com (no, you don't have to be a 300lbs monster to use that site). The diets are clean, use fresh foods, lean meats, lots of veggies... And following one or two closely, you WILL see results. There are also sample workouts on that site, from basic cardio full body workouts to hardcore meathead isolation exercises. Try lots of different things and see what you like, what your joints will tolerate, and what your body will respond to best. Vary your routine often 末 every 4-6 weeks minimum 末 to keep your body guessing and to keep it from adapting (this is partly why Crossfit's Workout of the Day is so popular right now). Chart your progress and write down your meals. Have a complete shopping list BEFORE you go to the grocery store, and eat something before you go. Get in there, buy what's on your list, and get the hell out. Don't go down the cookies isle. Don't go down the soda isle. Make your brain believe that these things don't even exist.

Involve your family if you can. This is easier said that done. If you are having three eggs and a bowl of oats for breakfast, and your better half is having a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch, its going to be harder for you to stick with it. This is like quitting smoking... You NEED a support network. Find friends who will to go the gym with you. They will motivate you on days in which you're too tired to go, and vice-versa. Discuss your diet with friends. It may seem lame at first, but soon you'll be telling your friend how awesome last night's freshly grilled asparagus tasted. Like I said, this is a lifestyle change!!!

If you haven't already done so, jump on Netflix and watch "Food, Inc." and "Forks over Knives." Combine the knowledge you gain from those programs with sensible meal plans from good books or the internet, and your body will be properly fueled. Then, exercise AT YOUR PACE in the gym, but realize that a little pain and sweat go a long way. Look at full body workouts involving major muscle groups, cardio, conditioning routines... Combine these things and you will be healthier. It truly is just that simple.

Post back here often so we can applaud your progress and keep your head in the game. You're a coach... You already know this stuff! Now its time to use your knowledge and experience to make YOUR life better.
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Originally Posted By Redneck-Raider:
You can track calories and exercise online and on smartphones for free with MyFitnessPal. All I have done is track my food and I have lost 20 lbs in 2 months. I haven't changed what I eat just the amount. I don't like fad dieting ideas because most of the time you will not do it for the rest of your life so you end up gaining the weight back. It's all about calories consumed vs energy burned.

And eat real food. Keep fast food and soda off the table.


Thank you redneck, I'm going to do just what you suggested.

I also use that app, it's been a great tool. Getting in shape is pretty simple, burn more calories than you ingest.

Eat natural foods that aren't processed. Lots of meat, veggies, fruits, nuts, beans, etc. Carbs aren't bad, its the highly processed foods that are carb and calorie rich that can get you into trouble (all the good stuff like beer, breads, sweets, etc.)

It takes a real commitment to change the way you live to stay in shape. Exercise regularly. It doesn't have to be some crazy workout, but go for long walks or jogs 4-5 times per week.

The most important part is mental. Don't give up. If you falter a little bit, just get back on track. If you don't exercise for a week, or eat like a pig for a few days, no biggie. Over the span of your life that won't matter. What matters is having the right attitude and realizing that a small setback is no big deal.

I used to be 230 pounds at one point in my life. I am 158 now (5'8"). I am in better shape than I was in high school, I can run three miles in under 28 minutes (never done that before), and I can do a shit load of push ups and pull ups. I look pretty good, but I feel like a fucking boss.

Stay the course, and if you need some encouragement, start a thread here!