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Posted: 2/17/2011 12:00:34 AM
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I am a big fan of concealed carry, and I have always carried a simple IWB holster. Plain ol' leather mostly, even tried one of those cheap nylon ones. They all carry the handgun just fine and make it easy to conceal, especially with how I dress. I am a small guy (5'9", 165lbs) but I can still conceal a full-size handgun with no problem. But over time those small holsters get worn down and a little floppy and start to make effectively training out of your holster a real pain. So I switched to a Kydex IWB, which was okay but a little uncomfortable for me to have that large hunk of plastic right against my hip.

I poked around a little, even considered making my own, and some guys recommended the Crossbreed or the MTAC, but I looked at them and thought "Whoa! That is a big chunk of leather! No way am I going to carry that around." But then I had the chance to mess with a few MTACs and I gotta say, they kinda grew on me. I liked that it was easy to tuck in a shirt, if needed, and they were very adjustable. Plus, I could get the re-holstering ability of kydex with the comfort of leather. The price was a bit more than I wanted to pay considering that I still wasn't sure.

Then my good buddy SweetKnuckles turned me onto Arizona Gun Leather, where I discovered I could get what was basically the same holster for half the price. After mulling it around a bit, I ordered one up. Now I had heard some nasty rumors about AZ Gun Leather's production time, but I was willing to take a chance. They said it would take two weeks to get my holster made, but in 10 days they called me up and told me that my holster was shipping; I thought that was awfully nice of them to call me. My new Hybrid holster arrived a day later and I was excited to try it out. Wow - that leather was stiff! After taking the holster on and off at least 20 times (which is not easy) I got the clips exactly where I wanted them: low ride but high enough for a solid master grip, and set at a slight foward cant. The fit was pretty tight so I loosened and then ultimately removed the retention screw. It was still very tight, and then I discovered a problem.

They had not put in a cut for the loaded chamber indicator, so my SR9 was so tight I could barely get it out. I called up AZ Gun Leather and they offered to take it back and fix the problem (don't know if they've done many SR9 holsters) but I said forget it, why send it back when I can do it myself? A little razor blade work and it was good-to-go. The first day I wore it I squeaked like a saddle shop, but that went away pretty quickly. It was a little stiff and I could certainly tell that I had a much larger holster than I was used to. But with a couple of days the stiffness went away, and now the leather is taking on the form of the SR9 and is actually becoming very comfortable to wear.

But live fire practice and dry practice is extremely important with these types of holsters! It takes a little getting used to, and the Kydex needs to be broken in a bit, but now my draw is just as fast and smooth as it was with my old holster. Plus I can easily re-holster with one hand. I really like this holster, and I can't say enough good things about the craftsmanship. Everything on it looks like I ordered a more expensive holster. My only complaints are the initial loaded chamber indicator cut, which was really no biggie, and the type of clips they use. They are pretty cheap metal clips, and I may upgrade to some CTAC or Crossbreed plastic clips, though these metal clips certainly do the job. Overall, I would say that if you haven't considered Arizona Gun Leather yet, you should. You can visit them at: http://arizonagunleather.com/

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Posted: 2/17/2011 12:14:25 AM
Good write up Rizzo. I love the Crossbreed for my P2000 and I've been toying with getting one for the 1911 when I'm feeling extra frisky. I think I'll give someone local a try instead.
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Posted: 2/17/2011 12:41:07 AM
For the price, I might give them a try if I didn't already own 3 MTACs that I'm very happy with Their double ammo IWB ammo pouch has me quite interested, however....
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Wow, great prices. When I turn 21 I might make a few orders.
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Posted: 2/17/2011 1:24:36 PM
Thanks for this! That price is AWESOME, and its a local guy! I need a IWB for my g19.
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Posted: 2/17/2011 5:33:18 PM
GREAT WRITEUP AND LOCAL TOO.
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Posted: 2/17/2011 10:29:43 PM
Does he do custom stuff? I need an IWB for my Jericho.
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Great write-up, I'll check out their website because I'm curious to see if they offer other types of belt clips...
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Posted: 2/17/2011 11:37:07 PM
Hmmm, one of the few of the newer holster companies that list the 3rd gen S&W guns. I may have to give them a call soon.
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Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan:
Great write-up, I'll check out their website because I'm curious to see if they offer other types of belt clips...

They look like the Tandy clips, if they are they're about as solid as a belt clip gets. I've got the identical clips in chrome and they're like spring steel.
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Posted: 2/18/2011 1:37:15 PM
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan:
Great write-up, I'll check out their website because I'm curious to see if they offer other types of belt clips...

They look like the Tandy clips, if they are they're about as solid as a belt clip gets. I've got the identical clips in chrome and they're like spring steel.


They are a quality steel clip, to be sure, and for right now I am perfectly happy with them. Would be nice if they offered a couple of clip choices, such as loops or maybe the plastic style for a little more of a concealment option when tucking in. The way I carry 90% of the time it doesn't matter, but for when I do tuck my shirt in these steel clips are kinda obvious.

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Posted: 2/18/2011 4:09:59 PM
I too prefer the Kydex loops that won't print.
Originally Posted By rizzo1318:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan:
Great write-up, I'll check out their website because I'm curious to see if they offer other types of belt clips...

They look like the Tandy clips, if they are they're about as solid as a belt clip gets. I've got the identical clips in chrome and they're like spring steel.


They are a quality steel clip, to be sure, and for right now I am perfectly happy with them. Would be nice if they offered a couple of clip choices, such as loops or maybe the plastic style for a little more of a concealment option when tucking in. The way I carry 90% of the time it doesn't matter, but for when I do tuck my shirt in these steel clips are kinda obvious.



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Posted: 2/18/2011 9:10:16 PM

Originally Posted By rizzo1318:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan:
Great write-up, I'll check out their website because I'm curious to see if they offer other types of belt clips...

They look like the Tandy clips, if they are they're about as solid as a belt clip gets. I've got the identical clips in chrome and they're like spring steel.


They are a quality steel clip, to be sure, and for right now I am perfectly happy with them. Would be nice if they offered a couple of clip choices, such as loops or maybe the plastic style for a little more of a concealment option when tucking in. The way I carry 90% of the time it doesn't matter, but for when I do tuck my shirt in these steel clips are kinda obvious.


They may be obvious to you and me or to a cop, but to the average person they're as good as invisible.
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Posted: 2/20/2011 4:43:13 PM
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Will that holster fit the SR9C?
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Will that holster fit the SR9C?


Yes, though the holster would be longer than necessary. Call AZ GL and see if they have an SR9c to make a holster with, or maybe you could give them the difference in barrel length and they could modify it for you.
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Nice write up rizzo. Yeah I ran into their table at a gun show last year and they defiantly caught my eye for how cheap they were. If it's anything like the Crossbreed it will become more comfortable with time. Oh and BTW I think Raven Concealment takes the cake on lead time at 16-18 weeks!
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Posted: 2/21/2011 12:38:16 AM
If I get one for a GLOCK 19, can I also fit a GLOCK 26 in the same holster (IWB Hybrid)?
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Originally Posted By jtb33:
If I get one for a GLOCK 19, can I also fit a GLOCK 26 in the same holster (IWB Hybrid)?


That's a good question and applies to me as well, one of my kydex/plastic holsters can fit either G19 or G26 but another I own can't. Neither is an IWB, and it would be a big selling point to me if I could buy one IWB to use with either weapon.
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Posted: 2/21/2011 2:48:29 AM
Jeez, these things are freaking cheap. Definitely worth a try at at that price, especially with such a nice review by a trusted member.
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Posted: 2/21/2011 10:55:33 AM
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Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan:
Originally Posted By jtb33:
If I get one for a GLOCK 19, can I also fit a GLOCK 26 in the same holster (IWB Hybrid)?

That's a good question and applies to me as well, one of my kydex/plastic holsters can fit either G19 or G26 but another I own can't. Neither is an IWB, and it would be a big selling point to me if I could buy one IWB to use with either weapon.

It doesn't appear they offer a slide holster option in the hybrid IWB line - ie the kydex being cut to allow any of the 9mm/.40/.357 Glocks to fit. I'd imagine they might make one for you if asked, however. The solution is rather simple though if they won't do it - you order a holster for a G17 or similar full frame pistol if you're okay with a big chunk of kydex covering your smaller gun OR you you order one for a g26 (or similar) and simply cut the kydex assuming you can get the kydex off. Seems like maybe these guys rivet the kydex in place (someone correct me if I'm wrong), which if so would be an issue. I had a similar issue with an MTAC I had ordered specifically for a G26 from Comp-Tac several years ago before they offered their "slide" version. I simply took the kydex shell off, put it on a band saw and took off the very end bit of kydex that folded over the end of the slide. Then smoothed up the cut with a dremel and sanding bit and now it works fine with any 9mm/.40/.357 Glock. But that works for the Comp-Tac holsters because the kydex shells are meant to be exchangeable and use mating allen head bolts rather than rivets to secure the kydex to the leather backer.

Rizzo, by the way, is their hardware covered on the back side? They don't seem to show any pics of the backside of the holsters on their website. That's one of the things I like about the MTACs is that they stitch a leather backer piece over the hardware on the back to protect you from any comfort issues with the steel hardware digging into you or catching fabric or skin. Just curious on the construction.
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That looks like a Supertuck ,but at a much better price.
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Originally Posted By slanky:
It doesn't appear they offer a slide holster option in the hybrid IWB line - ie the kydex being cut to allow any of the 9mm/.40/.357 Glocks to fit. I'd imagine they might make one for you if asked, however. The solution is rather simple though if they won't do it - you order a holster for a G17 or similar full frame pistol if you're okay with a big chunk of kydex covering your smaller gun OR you you order one for a g26 (or similar) and simply cut the kydex assuming you can get the kydex off. Seems like maybe these guys rivet the kydex in place (someone correct me if I'm wrong), which if so would be an issue. I had a similar issue with an MTAC I had ordered specifically for a G26 from Comp-Tac several years ago before they offered their "slide" version. I simply took the kydex shell off, put it on a band saw and took off the very end bit of kydex that folded over the end of the slide. Then smoothed up the cut with a dremel and sanding bit and now it works fine with any 9mm/.40/.357 Glock. But that works for the Comp-Tac holsters because the kydex shells are meant to be exchangeable and use mating allen head bolts rather than rivets to secure the kydex to the leather backer.

Rizzo, by the way, is their hardware covered on the back side? They don't seem to show any pics of the backside of the holsters on their website. That's one of the things I like about the MTACs is that they stitch a leather backer piece over the hardware on the back to protect you from any comfort issues with the steel hardware digging into you or catching fabric or skin. Just curious on the construction.


I know that they make custom kydex stuff - I am going to have them make me a sheath for my Mora knife, so I'm sure they could accomodate you with whatever you need.

You cannot get the kydex off - it is riveted in place, so unless you had a rivet tool and some more rivets then no, you couldn't re-install it.

And I cut the slot for my loaded chamber indicator out with a razor, though, and it wasn't that hard.

No, the hardware is not covered but they're smooth and rounded rivets and after a week of solid wear it's not bothering me in the least.

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Posted: 2/21/2011 3:56:58 PM

Originally Posted By rizzo1318:

No, the hardware is not covered but they're smooth and rounded rivets and after a week of solid wear it's not bothering me in the least.

Good to know. Considering giving them a try for a double IWB mag carrier.
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Regarding their OWB design; per their web page

Extra Wide Belt Loops

We cut our belt loops three times as wide as most holster manufacturers. This allows the holster to lay flatter against the body for greatly improved comfort. It also allows the holster to function correctly with proper gun belts which are much thicker than a normal belt.

Wide Stance

The side panels of our holsters are cut wider than most other holsters. This allows the weight of the firearm to be spread more evenly around the waist for great all day comfort without effecting conceal ability.


I'm grateful that somebody pays attention to this, it's a bitch getting a thick (and stiff, and expensive) belt through slots that don't seem to be made with this in mind. Particularly Kydex. I've found Kydex (Kaluban) to be unuseable for any of my Leather belts (works for seatbelts though).

I don't own one of these, but will be ordering an OWB because of this accomodation / pet peave.