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Posted: 1/13/2011 9:04:16 PM
Sweet, I will be ordering one soon! Looking forward to getting a sharp looking HTF shirt.
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WPNS462
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Posted: 1/14/2011 7:14:12 PM
What's the difference between Forest Green and Olive Green?
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Posted: 1/14/2011 11:56:04 PM
Just ordered mine!
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rizzo1318
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Posted: 1/15/2011 12:02:50 AM
Originally Posted By WPNS462:
What's the difference between Forest Green and Olive Green? Wearing Olive Green makes you 10% more of an Operator. 
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WPNS462
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Posted: 1/15/2011 1:35:05 AM
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Makes sense. Since I been living in Phoenix, 6 years now, I have been buying my gear in OD.
 
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slanky
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Posted: 1/15/2011 9:07:56 AM
Originally Posted By rizzo1318: Originally Posted By WPNS462: What's the difference between Forest Green and Olive Green? Wearing Olive Green makes you 10% more of an Operator. So olive green is tier 1 is it?
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Posted: 1/16/2011 1:35:34 AM
Just ordered a tier 1 olive drab HTF shirt.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 4:51:13 PM
[Last Edit: 1/18/2011 5:34:26 PM by slanky]
Ok, got my shirt today... First impressions - the T-shirt quality is good at last
 . I'm quite happy with the 6.1oz Gildan heavyweight shirt. It doesn't have the cheap paper feel to it that the lesser quality shirts have. Huge improvement over the previous t-shirts I had purchased. The quality of the logos appears to be much higher - just the look of it appears to be better color reproduction than the previous logos I have on the older shirts. While they do have a very minor plastic feel to them, I have a feeling that will go away once I wash it (which I'm in the process of right now). The printing is also not shiny and reflective like the old shirts were, which leads me to believe that the process has changed quite a bit as Goatboy stated. If the printed logos hold up well after repeat washings, I'll definitely be in for more of these.
Sorry for the washed out photos, sunlight outside today is pretty bright and screwing with me. This is straight out of the package, so it's a bit wrinkled and has some fuzz on it.
Here's the logo from the front:
 Back logo appears much larger for the AZHTF than the previous runs that I've seen on people:
 I'll update further once I'm finished washing it and see how the logos feel at that point but it would appear these new shirts are a vast improvement over the prior ones and I'm quite happy with it so far.
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ETA: Uhhh bad news.... give me a minute to get new pics
 After one washing in cold water using Tide, and a short trip in the dryer the logos have faded substantially, they've actually turned white in places:
 At first I thought I was seeing things... here's a closeup:
 Front logo has faded a lot as well, most noticeable in the red ring around the perimeter of the logo:
 This is the same detergent I use with all my other T-shirts without issue...several other T-shirts were washed with this one and they all appear fine.
On the plus side, it feels nice after washing it...although I'm not much into the weathered look this soon
 ETA2: Only thing I can think of is the inks used don't like Tide with color safe bleach in it. Strange, considering all my other T-shirts get washed regularly in the same thing and don't do this.
Here's two shirts from the same load. These have each been washed at least 20 times in the same detergent and reds and yellows and oranges look fine in these. Second shirt has some goo on it from the dog attacking me as I was taking these to photograph
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Posted: 1/18/2011 9:44:13 PM
It very well could be a problem with the shirt, but make sure you're also washing them correctly. They need to be washed inside out (important), in warm water, with 100% chlorine free bleach. This is the first time we've heard about the new shirts washing out, so just contact sales@ar15.com and we'll get them replaced for you.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 10:47:32 PM
Originally Posted By Spawn: It very well could be a problem with the shirt, but make sure you're also washing them correctly. They need to be washed inside out (important), in warm water, with 100% chlorine free bleach. This is the first time we've heard about the new shirts washing out, so just contact sales@ar15.com and we'll get them replaced for you. I've always been told to wash darks in cold water I did indeed turn it inside out to wash it. But yes, it's chlorine free color safe bleach in the tide and seems to play nicely with my other shirts. |
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Posted: 1/19/2011 12:27:21 AM
Cold water should be ok, just not hot. It could be an issue on our end or with the shirt itself (loose fibers or poor cooking) which we haven't seen. We've tested a number of shirts with the wash and it definitely sounds like color issue because you are getting the white to show under the red. This means the bleach either reacted to the ink in a weird way or the shirt cooked poorly and thus "flaked" or basically lost ink in the wash.
A properly cooked shirt should hold without issue and since we haven't washed with bleach in tests, it's hard to tell. We will of course replace it for you. I think first washing is key because it removes excess treatment and also helps during drying to ensure the colors took to the shirt well. I've seen a few shirts i own lose a few fibers, which is common in 100% cotton shirts, but this is different. |
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Posted: 1/19/2011 11:27:19 AM
I sent an e-mail to sales@ar15.com as Spawn asked. Did you need me to send this shirt back?
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Posted: 1/25/2011 9:52:36 AM
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Hey guys, I know you were all busy last week with Shot. It's been about a week and I haven't heard anything in response to the e-mail I sent to sales@ar15.com per Spawn and haven't seen a response in here. Let me know how to proceed.
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Posted: 1/25/2011 12:26:40 PM
Keep the shirts we'll send more out. It's been a little busy on return so we'll have them out this week if they haven't gone out yet.
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Posted: 2/3/2011 3:52:50 PM
I got my shirt in the mail today and washed as prescribed. Here is the back logo after it came out of the wash:
And here is detail on the top area with the white showing through a bit: 
I shot these in indirect sunlight and the only things I adjusted were color temperature and black point to make it as close as I could to what the naked eye sees. Overall I am pretty satisfied with the shirt and I don't think the color issue is very major at all. I'm just curious if eliminating the white border would help with the color issue at all. Maybe I'm not as picky as some of you, but for 12 bucks I would say this is worth it. Hopefully this will get some of the fencepost sitters to get their own copy. |
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Posted: 2/3/2011 8:22:26 PM
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Originally Posted By DualShooter: Maybe I'm not as picky as some of you, but for 12 bucks I would say this is worth it. Hopefully this will get some of the fencepost sitters to get their own copy. Where'd you get it for 12 bucks? Mine was $17 + $3 shipping. Maybe I am more picky, but that is more color fade than I would expect after a single washing, though not as pronounced as mine was. Also, I just received delivery of the replacement shirt today - will likely wash it tomorrow but I'm rather terrified to do so. Will be washing it with other t-shirts again in cold water and turned inside out using same detergent unless someone tells me differently
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Posted: 2/3/2011 10:32:24 PM
Originally Posted By slanky:
Where'd you get it for 12 bucks? I don't have any idea, but I just double checked my invoice and it was $12. I just went to the store and it says $17. Go figure. |
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Posted: 2/3/2011 11:55:07 PM
There's a $5 discount on shirts with the large AZ logo on the back. It wont show up until you add it to the cart.
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Posted: 2/4/2011 12:01:54 AM
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Originally Posted By GoatBoy: There's a $5 discount on shirts with the large AZ logo on the back. It wont show up until you add it to the cart. for how long? also if I bake them in our paint booth at work at 180 degrees for about an hour will it help prevent the white coming through? Or has this issue been fixed. I still havent had any problems with the first batch that i bought. |
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Posted: 2/4/2011 12:02:36 AM
Originally Posted By GoatBoy: There's a $5 discount on shirts with the large AZ logo on the back. It wont show up until you add it to the cart.  |
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Posted: 2/4/2011 12:20:33 AM
For a while for you guys.
We're still considering a break in sales again to try to change the process a bit. The extreme cold up here has been causing problems with consistency. The ink should take and hold for months, but we're seeing fading in our early shirts which are about 2-3 months old. We'll update the main thread if we stop taking orders until this horrible cold front finally passes. The shirts are coming out great, but they need to stay like they look when they are printed. |
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Posted: 2/4/2011 3:35:36 PM
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Ok, here's a better shot of the first shirt on the left and the new shirt on the right. I think this shows much better just how faded the original shirt got after a single washing compared to fresh out of the box:
 I have just put both of them in with some other t-shirts into the washing machine. I have used 1/3 the amount of detergent I used the first time with the first shirt, hoping that may have a positive effect on not fubar'ing the new shirt. Shirts are once again both turned inside out and being washed in cold water - which incidentally is VERY cold today
Will post another comparison shot of the two after they are done. Not good - I babied the shirt this time - 1/3 the detergent, reduced washing time to half a normal cycle and still got color fade. Not as pronounced as the first shirt, but still white blotches in the reds and general fading of the blues:
 Some closeups:
   No offense guys - I know you've been working hard to get these shirts 100% and just the t-shirt quality by itself is very good now - but the printing is definitely not holding up to washing, even when babying it
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Posted: 2/5/2011 1:13:41 AM
That's disappointing :( I saw the logo and want one!
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Posted: 2/5/2011 2:26:16 AM
so should I wait for a bit to get any more shirts until this gets figured out? I want a couple more because I got blood on them but I want to make sure I don't get any with this fading problem.
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Posted: 2/5/2011 9:28:17 AM
Originally Posted By victorgonzales: so should I wait for a bit to get any more shirts until this gets figured out? I want a couple more because I got blood on them but I want to make sure I don't get any with this fading problem. Blood on them makes them tier 1
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