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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:16:12 PM EDT
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Good question.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:52:41 PM EDT
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No idea why. I bought mine at rural king in wooster.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:33:25 PM EDT
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I thought maybe there was something in the ORC about not having shotguns with barrela less that 18.5". But I dont remember that. Could be something about a locality have restrictions. Like when online dealers wouldn't ship standard capacity mags to Ohio because Cleveland sucks.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 10:40:19 PM EDT
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Contact them by phone and find out why I am curious and plus they are loosing a sale. Maybe it's a mistake. Please report back.
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Posted: 4/27/2017 6:38:35 AM EDT
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(F) "Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall.
Lawriter - ORC - 2923.11 Weapons control definitions. codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.11 May have something to do with it?? not sure |
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Posted: 4/27/2017 8:55:01 AM EDT
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I kinda thought there might be somethibg like that in the ORC. I read somewhere that TX has a similar law in place.
Where does it ban sawed off firearms? Are registered SBR illegal too then? Federally the shockwave is not a shotgun. |
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Posted: 4/27/2017 3:19:37 PM EDT
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By the definition of the shockwave it is OTHER as it was transferred to me on the 4473 not a shotgun. I think we are fine to not worry about it. Now if you get into trouble doing something stupid with it then I think they may go full out on charges. I am not a lawyer though. Plus mine is 26.5 inches long. I put mine together last year as Mossberg wasn't making them yet at that time. Hard to tell, I bet they can criminally charge you for a fart if you are dumb enough to fart in an elevator with the wrong cop. LoL
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Posted: 4/27/2017 4:33:54 PM EDT
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From my understanding of the Shockwave and now the new Remington 870, they get around the regulation this way:
It doesn't have a pistol grip, it is not meant to be shouldered, it has an overall length greater than 26", it does not have a rifled barrel and it is less than 5 lbs. With that, it does not meet the definition of a shotgun, pistol or rifle so it is categorized simply as a "Firearm" so it is a Title 1 weapon not a Title 2 weapon. Thus, should be 4473'd as "other." Also the fact it is factory produced, the same way you can't make a rifle a pistol. You can't make a shotgun an 'other'. |
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Posted: 4/27/2017 10:49:30 PM EDT
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Agreed, and much better said than me. LoL The Ohio law would need a court decision to set precedence or a new law specifically addressing this gun I would think.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 8:52:23 AM EDT
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So, Bud's is just being over reactive?
Eta: oooh, I hadn't seen the 870. I like the looks of it better,,,, |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:08:23 PM EDT
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Blackwing sells them, $379. They had several. I asked them about restrictions and they said that the Mossberg rep contacted the state asking for clarification on the legality and their good to go.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 4:58:11 AM EDT
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Blackwing sells them, $379. They had several. I asked them about restrictions and they said that the Mossberg rep contacted the state asking for clarification on the legality and their good to go. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 11:17:15 AM EDT
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The Mossberg built ones are all 590s.
I'm trying to convince my wife as we speak.. |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 7:06:53 PM EDT
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Well, the last one at blackwing followed me home today.
I shot a couple boxes of slugs on their range. That was fun, I had a tendency to shoot high. I was shooting in the "pushed out" position. The funny thing is, the box says you can't shoot it from the shoulder. I think this is going to be a host for a SBS. |
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Posted: 5/4/2017 2:45:24 PM EDT
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Nice
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Posted: 5/5/2017 7:38:37 AM EDT
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interesting. I saw one on Armslist for sale in January. Was is a fake or did Mossberg have them out by then?
It sold for around $700.00 |
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Posted: 5/5/2017 10:41:24 AM EDT
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I don't think the mossberg ones were out in January.
BUT, you could build one yourself from a PGO 500, the raptor grip from Shockwave, and a 14" front end kit. But you'd have to buy each of those seperately, making it cost prohibitive. Hence thebone you saw selling for$700. That's why the Mossberg is great. |
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Posted: 5/6/2017 2:43:51 PM EDT
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iirc the Remington is one less? 4+1?
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Posted: 5/6/2017 7:19:10 PM EDT
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iirc the Remington is one less? 4+1? |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 12:32:46 AM EDT
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Yea I built my shockwave I wish I had known they would start making them I would have waited. I'm still happy with mine though.
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Posted: 5/7/2017 3:04:24 PM EDT
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Where does it ban sawed off firearms? Are registered SBR illegal too then? Ohio Revised Code 2923.17 bans dangerous ordnance Ohio Revised Code 2923.17 (C)(5) exempts owners of dangerous ordnance registered with ATF: (5) Owners of dangerous ordnance registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record pursuant to the act of October 22, 1968, 82 Stat. 1229, 26 U.S.C. 5841, and any amendments or additions thereto or reenactments thereof, and regulations issued thereunder; ORC 2923.11 says: (F) "Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall. but it does not define "shotgun" There is no definition of "other firearm" in Ohio law, so we're assuming the federal definition applies. I'm glad to hear Blackwing is selling them and checked with the state first; still, that's no guarantee some prosecutor won't interpret the law differently. |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 8:14:56 PM EDT
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Agreed don't be stupid so stupid interpretations of laws work against you. simple
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Posted: 5/16/2017 5:59:57 PM EDT
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I bought one at a local shop in Mahoning County. He's out of stock at the moment or I'd offer the shop name, but obviously a few shops can get em here.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 11:36:56 AM EDT
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I bought one at a local shop in Mahoning County. He's out of stock at the moment or I'd offer the shop name, but obviously a few shops can get em here. I picked one up in Mahoning County as well. $389 + tax. 417.07 total... Supposedly the shop ordered 12 more or so. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 10:24:10 PM EDT
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Howdy neighbor! I picked one up in Mahoning County as well. $389 + tax. 417.07 total... Supposedly the shop ordered 12 more or so. I actually live in Portage, but near the Mahoning border. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 11:53:58 AM EDT
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Didn't happen to be in Austintown would it? I actually live in Portage, but near the Mahoning border. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:56:38 AM EDT
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And I'd bet you live on a Lake. LOL, if you're who I think, I actually know you. kinda...
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Posted: 5/19/2017 10:57:42 AM EDT
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And I'd bet you live on a Lake. LOL, if you're who I think, I actually know you. kinda... |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 8:02:54 PM EDT
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Rural King in Huber Heights has one. $359 plus tax.
Tempted. Oh so tempted. . . . |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 9:19:50 PM EDT
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Rural King in Huber Heights has one. $359 plus tax. Tempted. Oh so tempted. . . . |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 8:15:57 AM EDT
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Buy it, The thing is a blast! It's neat factor is 15/10. |
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Posted: 5/23/2017 9:24:54 AM EDT
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Looking for one of the Remington ones now!
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:45:50 PM EDT
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These guys say not legal!
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/mossberg-590-shockwave-legal-ohio I have a thread in GD about this, should be entertaining. 
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Posted: 5/24/2017 6:57:56 PM EDT
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If these are truly illegal in Ohio, it might get interesting. My local dealers can't keep them in stock. One said they sold 15 in the last two weeks with more on back order. If someone purchase one, what's going to happen? Most people don't follow this stuff or live on some gun board.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 7:59:45 PM EDT
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I have seen a few of the Black Aces mag fed short barrel non-NFA shotties. I'd imagine they fall into the same category in OH laws.
ETA: It all depends on Ohio's legal definition of a "shotgun" vs the federal definition. We all remember the >31 round capacity = machine gun laws right? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:10:10 AM EDT
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These guys say not legal! https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/mossberg-590-shockwave-legal-ohio I have a thread in GD about this, should be entertaining. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 9:19:07 AM EDT
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Is it a handgun by definition? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 12:20:56 PM EDT
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Nope, it's an AOW (Any Other Weapon) by definition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it a handgun by definition? |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 3:12:37 PM EDT
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Federally:
It's not a pistol. It is not a shotgun. Therefore it cannot be a SBS. It is not a rifle. Therefore it cannot be an SBR. That makes it a "firearm" federally and in Ohio. Unless Ohio has some definition of "shotgun" different from the federal definition. The Buckeye link says just that, right before they say, so it's banned in Ohio. |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 7:41:31 PM EDT
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Federally: It's not a pistol. It is not a shotgun. Therefore it cannot be a SBS. It is not a rifle. Therefore it cannot be an SBR. That makes it a "firearm" federally and in Ohio. Unless Ohio has some definition of "shotgun" different from the federal definition. The Buckeye link says just that, right before they say, so it's banned in Ohio. The Ohio Revised Code uses the term "shotgun" several times in it's weapons control sections, but never provides a definition for the term. This is where the problem exists. If a court were to rule that the Shockwave is a shotgun, then it would fit Ohio's definition of a "sawed-off firearm" and thus be illegal. If the Shockwave isn't a shotgun under Ohio law, then the argument becomes, what is it? It could meet Ohio's ambiguous "firearm" definition easily in a similar way that it does the federal equivalent, and then it could be legal. It might even fit Ohio's definition of a "handgun" if you can prove it's designed to be held with one hand (might be tough for a pump-action), as our definition for handgun does not include the requirement of a rifled barrel as the federal handgun definition does. If it were determined to fit the Ohio "handgun" definition, then it would be legal... It all hinges on whether they would determine if the Shockwave is a "shotgun" or not under OH law. If it is, it's illegal. It's interesting to note that Mossberg never refers to it using the term shotgun on their web page. And I would have to assume that Mossberg sought the opinion of some authority in OH before moving ahead to sell them here... |
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Posted: 5/25/2017 8:06:42 PM EDT
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And I would have to assume that Mossberg sought the opinion of some authority in OH before moving ahead to sell them here... 
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Posted: 5/25/2017 10:09:04 PM EDT
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These guys say not legal! https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/mossberg-590-shockwave-legal-ohio I have a thread in GD about this, should be entertaining. It is no more a shotgun then a 410 derringer is or a flare pistol..... It is a firearm... No more no less |
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Posted: 5/26/2017 9:51:34 PM EDT
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It's interesting to note that Mossberg never refers to it using the term shotgun on their web page. And I would have to assume that Mossberg sought the opinion of some authority in OH before moving ahead to sell them here... |
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