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Posted: 4/23/2016 4:06:14 PM EDT
Directed to side of highway by motorcycle trooper. First words out of his mouth: "Do you have a CHL?" Yes. "Are you armed?" No. "You need to inform me if you are armed or not." I bit my tongue. Then we discussed the speeding violation and he walked back to his bike and started writing the ticket.
Upon returning, I showed him the statute that you have a duty to inform if you ARE armed. "Well I'd like to know if you have a gun or not because you could shoot me. Wouldn't you want to know?" I told him that I was not legally required to do so. He eventually conceded I was correct, but it was obvious that he was misinformed. We talked bikes then went on our separate ways. |
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If I cared any less about the OSHP, I'd break some type of physics law.
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What a twit that stopped you. You're licensed. You're not a threat. Of course, only a "gun nut" would be licensed...
Felons who just murdered several people, high on drugs, and carrying several weapons have no obligation to inform. Yep, that makes sense. -- Chuck |
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Should have demanded that he cite me for not informing that I was not armed.
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Should have put him under citizens arrest for not knowing his own law he's trying to enforce lol
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Call and report him to the OHP. He is a jackass who is supposed to know the law
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Oshp seem to be selected for specifically for thier ability to be dicks. They are always right, regards of facts.
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why would you still talk to him after being given a ticket?
i remember when the new dodge chargers came out in early 2000, i got one as a company car and got pulled over for speeding VASCAR on I-70 Licking County and the OSP wanted to talk how nice my ride was after giving me a ticket
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Quoted: why would you still talk to him after being given a ticket? i remember when the new dodge chargers came out in early 2000, i got one as a company car and got pulled over for speeding VASCAR on I-70 Licking County and the OSP wanted to talk how nice my ride was after giving me a ticket F that. View Quote I once had a local cop bust a U-turn, cause another car to hammer on his brakes, FLY up behind in me a residential area, all for a bullshit no front plate ticket. Then he tried to talk to me about my 4 Runner, and offroading, and how he had one once..... Get the fuck out of here. |
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why would you still talk to him after being given a ticket? i remember when the new dodge chargers came out in early 2000, i got one as a company car and got pulled over for speeding VASCAR on I-70 Licking County and the OSP wanted to talk how nice my ride was after giving me a ticket F that. View Quote I hear ya. I don't get pissed about tickets, however. In fact it's been twelve years since my last speeding citation. I also had no front plate which he ignored. I was interested in educating him about the CHL law, or allow him to dig himself deeper while he was recording his ignorance. I did it without being an ass as the car I was driving is distinctive. |
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I hear ya. I don't get pissed about tickets, however. In fact it's been twelve years since my last speeding citation. I also had no front plate which he ignored. I was interested in educating him about the CHL law, or allow him to dig himself deeper while he was recording his ignorance. I did it without being an ass as the car I was driving is distinctive. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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why would you still talk to him after being given a ticket? i remember when the new dodge chargers came out in early 2000, i got one as a company car and got pulled over for speeding VASCAR on I-70 Licking County and the OSP wanted to talk how nice my ride was after giving me a ticket F that. I hear ya. I don't get pissed about tickets, however. In fact it's been twelve years since my last speeding citation. I also had no front plate which he ignored. I was interested in educating him about the CHL law, or allow him to dig himself deeper while he was recording his ignorance. I did it without being an ass as the car I was driving is distinctive. How was he recording it? |
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Dash cams come on when the overhead lights come on if the cameras weren't already on to begin with. They wear a mic to record audio that goes along with the video feed.
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I might be a bit behind on this one but I always tell any law enforcement during a traffic stop that I have a CHL and I am armed/unarmed.
I even do it in other states just so I don't ever forget in Ohio. So far in both Oklahoma and Kansas the LEO that had me pulled over laughed and asked where I was from to tell them that, they appreciated that I told them, and just told me to "slow down tonight." Granted, in the 12 years I've had my CHL the only non-Ohio states I've been pulled over in were once in Oklahoma and once in Kansas. |
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"Well I'd like to know if you have a gun or not because you could shoot me. Wouldn't you want to know?" . View Quote Should have asked him if he expects drug runners, thugs, druggies, ect to tell him that they are armed. The fact that YOU ARE is basically irrelevant. He should always be on guard. |
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Whenever a registration is run there are alerts on the plate that advise officers of a CHL license. It's attached to the registered owner of the vehicle. Our dispatch notifies us as soon as we put the plate out over the air. I always address the driver before the driver can inform. I don't find it to be offensive in any manner if you advise you aren't carrying. But duty to inform is a big issue with the state guys. I don't work for the patrol, however I expect a CHL holder to understand the law and abide by it just as any other law. It's something that makes some people nervous, mostly those who aren't comfortable with others being able to carry guns
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Your CHL pops up on LEADS when they run your plate/registration. So they know you have a CHL. Some LEO's are weenies. I just tell all of them whether I am carrying or not as a courtesy. Not that big of deal.
Um, why weren't you carrying? |
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OSHP changed a flat tire for my wife the other day, so they don't just write out tickets all day long. I doubt he ran my plates on that vehicle or he would've seen that the owner has a CHL.
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OSHP changed a flat tire for my wife the other day, so they don't just write out tickets all day long. I doubt he ran my plates on that vehicle or he would've seen that the owner has a CHL. View Quote He may not have been a detective but he probably saw that your wife was a female and not the male owner who has the permit. |
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He may not have been a detective but he probably saw that your wife was a female and not the male owner who has the permit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OSHP changed a flat tire for my wife the other day, so they don't just write out tickets all day long. I doubt he ran my plates on that vehicle or he would've seen that the owner has a CHL. He may not have been a detective but he probably saw that your wife was a female and not the male owner who has the permit. Yes but women can carry guns and even vote now.....much to my dismay |
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...this is prime example why the "duty to inform" is a crap requirement, and needs to be repealed.
I highly recommend contacting your state legislators in Columbus about repealing this! ...any cop that thinks duty to inform makes them safer has got to be delusional, IMO... ...the thugs don't have CHLs, nor "duty to inform"... good on the OP for politely informing the officer he had it "wrong"... |
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Directed to side of highway by motorcycle trooper. First words out of his mouth: "Do you have a CHL?" Yes. "Are you armed?" No. "You need to inform me if you are armed or not." I bit my tongue. Then we discussed the speeding violation and he walked back to his bike and started writing the ticket. Upon returning, I showed him the statute that you have a duty to inform if you ARE armed. "Well I'd like to know if you have a gun or not because you could shoot me. Wouldn't you want to know?" I told him that I was not legally required to do so. He eventually conceded I was correct, but it was obvious that he was misinformed. We talked bikes then went on our separate ways. View Quote What a cunt |
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Whenever a registration is run there are alerts on the plate that advise officers of a CHL license. It's attached to the registered owner of the vehicle. Our dispatch notifies us as soon as we put the plate out over the air. I always address the driver before the driver can inform. I don't find it to be offensive in any manner if you advise you aren't carrying. But duty to inform is a big issue with the state guys. I don't work for the patrol, however I expect a CHL holder to understand the law and abide by it just as any other law. It's something that makes some people nervous, mostly those who aren't comfortable with others being able to carry guns View Quote You don't have a computer in your cruiser to run plates before stopping someone to see their driving history/criminal background? |
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"A permit holder is not required to inform law enforcement of his status if he is not carrying a rearm." - Ohio's Concealed Carry Laws and License Application, Page 11. Unless Mike DeWine is just making this shit up as he goes?
Ignorance of the law by those entrusted to uphold it. |
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I might be a bit behind on this one but I always tell any law enforcement during a traffic stop that I have a CHL and I am armed/unarmed. I even do it in other states just so I don't ever forget in Ohio. So far in both Oklahoma and Kansas the LEO that had me pulled over laughed and asked where I was from to tell them that, they appreciated that I told them, and just told me to "slow down tonight." Granted, in the 12 years I've had my CHL the only non-Ohio states I've been pulled over in were once in Oklahoma and once in Kansas. View Quote I do the same. There are times to be a hard ass and times where starting out that way doesn't help. I always tell any LEO that pulls me over if I have a CCW on me or not, just respectful. If were in his shoes I'd want to know also. But I don't do the small talk thing either, its a transaction, not a facebook get together. Most seem to appreciate it. |
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"A permit holder is not required to inform law enforcement of his status if he is not carrying a rearm." - Ohio's Concealed Carry Laws and License Application, Page 11. Unless Mike DeWine is just making this shit up as he goes? Ignorance of the law by those entrusted to uphold it. View Quote Sounds like the cop wanted to impose his will despite knowing the law |
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"Duty to inform" breeds complacency amongst law enforcement officers. No criminal who is stopped is going to tell an LEO they are armed.
Officer #1 works in a state that does not have "duty to inform." Because he is unsure who is armed and who is not he will assume everyone is armed and approach every situation as such. Officer #2 works in a state that has "duty to inform." He is taught that a portion of the population who carry firearms (CHL permit holders) will tell him/her such when stopped. As said officer has their first few encounters with CHL permit holders who gladly offer up that they are concealing a firearm they begin to become conditioned to such. The LEO becomes conditioned to the point that they forget that the real folks they need to be concerned about carrying firearms will not tell them they are doing such. That LEO now takes his/her frustrations out in situations like that which happened to the OP. |
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You don't have a computer in your cruiser to run plates before stopping someone to see their driving history/criminal background? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Whenever a registration is run there are alerts on the plate that advise officers of a CHL license. It's attached to the registered owner of the vehicle. Our dispatch notifies us as soon as we put the plate out over the air. I always address the driver before the driver can inform. I don't find it to be offensive in any manner if you advise you aren't carrying. But duty to inform is a big issue with the state guys. I don't work for the patrol, however I expect a CHL holder to understand the law and abide by it just as any other law. It's something that makes some people nervous, mostly those who aren't comfortable with others being able to carry guns You don't have a computer in your cruiser to run plates before stopping someone to see their driving history/criminal background? We don't have access to LEADS in the car. And you can't use it for a basis of stop or PC anyway. |
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I do the same. There are times to be a hard ass and times where starting out that way doesn't help. I always tell any LEO that pulls me over if I have a CCW on me or not, just respectful. If were in his shoes I'd want to know also. But I don't do the small talk thing either, its a transaction, not a facebook get together. Most seem to appreciate it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I might be a bit behind on this one but I always tell any law enforcement during a traffic stop that I have a CHL and I am armed/unarmed. I even do it in other states just so I don't ever forget in Ohio. So far in both Oklahoma and Kansas the LEO that had me pulled over laughed and asked where I was from to tell them that, they appreciated that I told them, and just told me to "slow down tonight." Granted, in the 12 years I've had my CHL the only non-Ohio states I've been pulled over in were once in Oklahoma and once in Kansas. I do the same. There are times to be a hard ass and times where starting out that way doesn't help. I always tell any LEO that pulls me over if I have a CCW on me or not, just respectful. If were in his shoes I'd want to know also. But I don't do the small talk thing either, its a transaction, not a facebook get together. Most seem to appreciate it. Glad I'm not the only other over achiever. |
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If you remember when CHL in Ohio was being discussed, the "brass" in the OHP was totally against it. Many city police chiefs were also against it. Well with the patrol, I think some of that has filtered down. Not all patrolmen are assholes. Some are even gun guys.
I would think that the officer who stopped you was a younger guy. Whether or not he knew the law, he figured you did not. I agree that no officers know all the laws. Lawyers do not know all the laws, they have to look them up. There are so many laws, nobody knows them all. There are so many laws that most anybody could be in violation without knowing it. You could be sitting at a red light, stopped and get hit and be issued a ticket....if you are across the white line an inch. |
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If you remember when CHL in Ohio was being discussed, the "brass" in the OHP was totally against it. Many city police chiefs were also against it. Well with the patrol, I think some of that has filtered down. Not all patrolmen are assholes. Some are even gun guys. I would think that the officer who stopped you was a younger guy. Whether or not he knew the law, he figured you did not. I agree that no officers know all the laws. Lawyers do not know all the laws, they have to look them up. There are so many laws, nobody knows them all. There are so many laws that most anybody could be in violation without knowing it. You could be sitting at a red light, stopped and get hit and be issued a ticket....if you are across the white line an inch. View Quote I had a speaker for a class that was a Lt. Colonel in the OSHP and he discussed at length the passaing of the CHL law. The way he described it was that the rank and file troopers were all for it, as were most of the higher-ups that stayed out of politics. The political people came out against it so they could get something for it. Say they're against it then have the senators and reps in the statehouse negotiate with them to give them: A) the rules they wanted for it 2) Political favors. |
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Your CHL pops up on LEADS when they run your plate/registration. So they know you have a CHL. View Quote I was crossing over into Canada and the border agent asked me "Are you concealed carrying" to which I replied "Yes, I have a CHL" to which he replied "I KNOW THAT!" (it had popped up on his screen). The conversation did not go well as I back-pedalled over and over to explain that I had no guns in the car. The Canadians don't embrace our 2A or concealed carry. In hindsight though, it was all my fault - I misunderstood his question. |
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Quoted: Glad I'm not the only other over achiever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I might be a bit behind on this one but I always tell any law enforcement during a traffic stop that I have a CHL and I am armed/unarmed. I even do it in other states just so I don't ever forget in Ohio. So far in both Oklahoma and Kansas the LEO that had me pulled over laughed and asked where I was from to tell them that, they appreciated that I told them, and just told me to "slow down tonight." Granted, in the 12 years I've had my CHL the only non-Ohio states I've been pulled over in were once in Oklahoma and once in Kansas. I do the same. There are times to be a hard ass and times where starting out that way doesn't help. I always tell any LEO that pulls me over if I have a CCW on me or not, just respectful. If were in his shoes I'd want to know also. But I don't do the small talk thing either, its a transaction, not a facebook get together. Most seem to appreciate it. Glad I'm not the only other over achiever. It just seems polite to let them know one way or another. Even if it isn't required when not carrying I think of it as a courtesy that I would appreciate if I were on the other end of the interaction. Even if duty to inform were to go away I would probably still let them know. I don't really see it as an infringement or anything... |
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It just seems polite to let them know one way or another. Even if it isn't required when not carrying I think of it as a courtesy that I would appreciate if I were on the other end of the interaction. Even if duty to inform were to go away I would probably still let them know. I don't really see it as an infringement or anything... View Quote Other than what is required by law (which I think is ridiculous anyway), I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to even bring it up |
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Duty to inform is stupid...the law abiding aren't the problem.
As if those illegally carrying are going to say something... |
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Constitutional protections against self-incrimination are why non-CHL holders don't have to inform police they're carrying because it's illegal for them to do so. For some bizarre reason CHL holders legally carrying have to inform police they're obeying the law.
As Mike D notes in his pamphlet or FAQ: Only those with a CHL and carrying have this duty and I scrupulously obey this law. -- Chuck |
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Oshp seem to be selected for specifically for thier ability to be dicks. They are always right, regards of facts. View Quote I have been pulled over twice in my life, both times by OHP. The first one was a total dick. Pulled me over on my bike for a claimed 5 over, which I couldn't refute, as I was watching traffic, not my speed. Ended up giving a written warning. Just generally dickish through the whole thing, and repeatedly asked if I was carrying, to which I kept replying "no". (I rarely carry on the bike.) The second one was totally professional - no bullshit, no dicking around, just "hey here's your ticket" and that was that. (And in that case, I was obviously speeding by a decent amount, not some measly 5 over thing like before.) |
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It just seems polite to let them know one way or another. Even if it isn't required when not carrying I think of it as a courtesy that I would appreciate if I were on the other end of the interaction. Even if duty to inform were to go away I would probably still let them know. I don't really see it as an infringement or anything... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I might be a bit behind on this one but I always tell any law enforcement during a traffic stop that I have a CHL and I am armed/unarmed. I even do it in other states just so I don't ever forget in Ohio. So far in both Oklahoma and Kansas the LEO that had me pulled over laughed and asked where I was from to tell them that, they appreciated that I told them, and just told me to "slow down tonight." Granted, in the 12 years I've had my CHL the only non-Ohio states I've been pulled over in were once in Oklahoma and once in Kansas. I do the same. There are times to be a hard ass and times where starting out that way doesn't help. I always tell any LEO that pulls me over if I have a CCW on me or not, just respectful. If were in his shoes I'd want to know also. But I don't do the small talk thing either, its a transaction, not a facebook get together. Most seem to appreciate it. Glad I'm not the only other over achiever. It just seems polite to let them know one way or another. Even if it isn't required when not carrying I think of it as a courtesy that I would appreciate if I were on the other end of the interaction. Even if duty to inform were to go away I would probably still let them know. I don't really see it as an infringement or anything... While I respect your opinion, I disagree. I feel that the licensing requirement itself is an infringement (duty to inform doubly so) and being polite and friendly has nothing to do with offering up information. Remember, the police are there to do a job and will be just as polite and friendly while you are being cuffed and stuffed. |
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If I was leo Id assume every car had a gun.
I never understood it. I got pulled over ISP a few months back and told him I had one. He said thanks but you don't have to do that here. Making the ticket a civil violation if I paid extra was some bullshit however. |
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