just got this from ODNR


Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:08 PM
To: Gibbs, Jason
Subject: RE: Wildlife Inquiry

Here is the information from the press release with clarification comments provided in red:

“The council also approved straight-walled cartridge rifles for deer hunting. The rifles are the same caliber and use the same straight-walled cartridges that are currently legal for use in handguns. While not all of rifle cartridges listed are currently available in handguns,  IF they were, they would be legal in a handgun for deer hunting in Ohio.  The new regulation is designed to allow additional opportunities for hunters that own these guns or want to hunt with these guns.”

These rifles have reduced recoil compared to larger shotguns, and the rifles are more accurate than the same caliber handgun. Legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.  These are the only calibers of rifles that will be allowed for deer hunting in Ohio in 2014.  The list is very specific.  Nowhere is the statement made that any and all calibers that are available in a handgun are legal for use in a rifle for deer hunting in Ohio.



Me
To Gibbs, Jason
Today at 8:35 AM
thank you, with many similar cartridges left off the list, is there any procedure to petition to have others added?


Gibbs, Jason
To Me
Today at 8:42 AM
You are welcome.  I would recommend attending an open house.  The dates for this seasons open house(s) will be in the back of the 2014-2015 Hunting Regulations.  The regulations typically come out in June/July.

Thanks,
Jason

What?

ETA: I guess a few of those cartridges they approved only have rifles available for them.



.50-110

Why is .38 special on the list, but not .40 S&W? While certainly neither would be considered an ideal deer round, aren't the ballistics similar? I would think any of the smaller pistol rounds would be considered for short range hunting only anyway.

You're asking for an awful lot expecting people writing up these policies to actually make sense.

I guess.  I was just thinking it might be fun to try out an AR carbine in 40 s&w at close range.  One could sure afford to practice more with 40 cal ammo than deer slugs.

If it made any sense I could hunt with my AT94K 9mm based on .38 special terminal ballistics. Sadly not going to happen this season though.

Remember, most cops, including game wardens are not gun people.  They don't keep up with modern (developed in the last 30 50 years) cartridges and firearms.

Its not about ballistics as much as perception.

That is hitting the nail on the head.

Yep. The thought of hunters out there with ARs and MP5s is scary.



This should be good to go(once the silencer changes pass).

Yeah, I just re-read the ODNR press release.

Why not use 44mag instead at that point?

 

Even better question, why are 38special and 45acp on the list but 10mm is not??

What about this round?  http://www.hornady.com/store/357-Mag-140-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

 

dupe sorry

being able to hit is the most important part of the equation. .38 and .357 loads are quite a bit easier on the wallet and the shoulder
to practice with. With heavy loads 357 magnum out of a carbine can get you into the lower end of 30-30 ballistics out to 100-125 yards.

I again would avoid lightly constructed self defense loads and keep shots within the range your capabilities allow. .44 will always hit a little
harder with common ammo but either one is a short range cartridge.

You make very good points about why to choose 357 or 44 over a slug gun.  From a distance standpoint, they are probably close to equal; the pistol rounds maybe even having a shorter range.  

The real benefits of the pistol rounds are the guns are lighter, the recoil is less and the cartridges should be less expensive.  These are all positives, especially for kids and ladies.

Any recommendations on a 44 lever action rifle? I see Henry sells one for just under $800 which is way over my budget. I am kind of set on lever action because that is what I hunted with growing up.

Good luck finding a deal. They are stupid expensive anymore. Marlin, Henry, Winchester all have lever actions. Last I talked to someone at Fin Feather & Fur, people were making a run on their lever actions even before it passed.

I was in George's Bait and Tackle in Lorain today.

He has 2 Rugers, SS, 1 in 44 and 1 in 357, $689. He has Rossi lever actions, 45/70 and 45 LC, $529. He has more Rossis on order in various approved calibers.

I guess I'll be using my 44 mag Ruger Carbine until the 50 Beo is accepted...

I posted this in the Outdoors-Hunting forum before seeing the topic here.


Proposed hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.

I emailed the DNR to check if the law was like Indiana and Michigan's that allows a straight walled case 35 caliber or larger up to 1.8 in length.
I was hoping to use my 450 Bushmaster rather than having to go out and buy another rifle.

Below is the response I received from Law Enforcement.

“The law in Ohio is currently caliber specific. If it is not on the list, it cannot be used. No exceptions.”


You can use a 444 Marlin but not the 450 Bush ????          

I hope Ohio comes around and adopts the law like Indiana and Michigan.

I want them to update the cartridge list, but I hope they don't restrict the case length like IN.

Well if you really want to use .450 Bushmaster, you could always do a pistol lower with Sig Brace.

That's what I'm doing, except in 10mm.