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Posted: 10/17/2012 10:24:38 PM
I saw these issues on my absentee ballot and knew nothing about them. I'm admittedly not as well-informed on the issues as I ought to be. I did some research tonight and came to the conclusion that these were "devisive" issues created by the socialist dems to promote their agendas. Is this correct?

Please comment and add to this discussion. Provide links and facts if available to help make others aware.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 10:32:19 PM
[Last Edit: 10/18/2012 1:17:14 AM by tgad2]
Here is the best article I found that (I think) lays out at least part of what this is all about:

http://www.clermontteaparty.org/do-not-sign-the-redistricting-amendment-petition.html
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Posted: 10/17/2012 11:07:49 PM
excellent list of voter guides and "advice" for this years issues/candidates! be sure to give this the widest dissemination possible!

http://www.ohiolibertycoalition.org/ohio-november-2012-voter-resources-guide/
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Posted: 10/18/2012 1:20:52 AM
Originally Posted By WileyCoyote:
excellent list of voter guides and "advice" for this years issues/candidates! be sure to give this the widest dissemination possible!

http://www.ohiolibertycoalition.org/ohio-november-2012-voter-resources-guide/


Great info! Thanks!

Here are two links from that site regarding these two issues (that are very vague on the ballots):

http://www.ohiolibertycoalition.org/vote-no-on-ohio-issue-1-constitutional-convention/

http://www.ohiolibertycoalition.org/vote-no-on-ohio-issue-2-the-redistricting-amendment/
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Posted: 10/18/2012 6:42:11 AM
Just say No.

Constitutional amendments are dangerous. See how they mandate a bleeping casino in several cities –– per the Ohio Constitution?! Nothing against casinos –– and no use for them –– but in the constitution?

Issue 2 is an attempt by the Democrats and Unions to avoid the consequences of representative government and would never have come up if they had control of the legislature.

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Posted: 10/18/2012 7:20:16 AM
I'm still confused on issue 1. I've read the links, I must be really dumb.
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Posted: 10/18/2012 8:43:40 AM
Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
I'm still confused on issue 1. I've read the links, I must be really dumb.


Basically, the way I understand it, there is already a 32 member comission in place to propose changes to the constitution. If passed, the new convention would only add more politicians, beaurocracy, and cost to the process (bigger government; more tax dollars required).

Here are two brief articles:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121002/NEWS0106/311060004/Issue-1-primer-how-may-affect-you

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/vote_no_on_issue_1_there_are_b.html

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Posted: 10/18/2012 9:23:33 AM
Originally Posted By tgad2:
Originally Posted By 4DAIVIPAI2K5:
I'm still confused on issue 1. I've read the links, I must be really dumb.


Basically, the way I understand it, there is already a 32 member comission in place to propose changes to the constitution. If passed, the new convention would only add more politicians, beaurocracy, and cost to the process (bigger government; more tax dollars required).

Here are two brief articles:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20121002/NEWS0106/311060004/Issue-1-primer-how-may-affect-you

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/10/vote_no_on_issue_1_there_are_b.html


Thank you for the break down.

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Posted: 10/25/2012 9:56:30 PM
Bump for sharing/awareness.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 11:10:50 PM
Bump. So others can "FIND QUICK ANSWERS WITH ACCURATE INFO".
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Posted: 10/30/2012 5:54:30 PM

Originally Posted By WileyCoyote:
excellent list of voter guides and "advice" for this years issues/candidates! be sure to give this the widest dissemination possible!

http://www.ohiolibertycoalition.org/ohio-november-2012-voter-resources-guide/

And tag.
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Posted: 10/30/2012 5:58:25 PM
I read an article on Issue 2 last week and knew I was voting NO and the same on issue 1
I also agree on not messing with the constitution
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Posted: 10/31/2012 8:29:33 PM
Thanks for the timely update - I was just pulling my eyes out trying to figure out what the heck issue 2 was about.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 11:32:49 PM
Came here to find out what these are about. Issue 2 sounds very dangerous. I'll also tell the wife.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 6:45:12 AM
Issue 2 is an attempt by the big unions and Democrats to remove representative government from the Congressional redistricting process. If Democrats were a majority of the Ohio House this would never have come up. The proposal puts a non-elected panel in charge rater than elected officials.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:31:32 PM
We may be in trouble on this one.
I got a pro issue 2 flyer with a picture of a firefighter on it.
It said something along the lines of,"Vote yes in this issue 2 to prevent another SB5."
So I asked my cousin who is a firefighter how he felt about it. He said "Firefigters are for it."
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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:52:15 PM

Originally Posted By Tweightwee:
We may be in trouble on this one.
I got a pro issue 2 flyer with a picture of a firefighter on it.
It said something along the lines of,"Vote yes in this issue 2 to prevent another SB5."
So I asked my cousin who is a firefighter how he felt about it. He said "Firefigters are for it."

Yeh because they are union weenies that suck on the demoncratic cock, not all but a high majority of them
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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:16:24 AM
Does anyone have a link to the results on these? I can't find anything..
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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:51:06 AM
According to my local news broadcast late last night, both failed miserably. Some 60+% voted no for both issues.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:33:34 PM

Originally Posted By D_Man:
According to my local news broadcast late last night, both failed miserably. Some 60+% voted no for both issues.
Excellent, thanks for the input.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:19:44 PM
Originally Posted By Tweightwee:
We may be in trouble on this one.
I got a pro issue 2 flyer with a picture of a firefighter on it.
It said something along the lines of,"Vote yes in this issue 2 to prevent another SB5."
So I asked my cousin who is a firefighter how he felt about it. He said "Firefigters are for it."


Only talk around the S.O. was when my parter and I read it over and both said nope. No other talk was heard threw out the office.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 7:19:18 AM


So glad both these amendments failed. Some good news at least.

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