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Posted: 6/20/2011 7:59:33 AM
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By lvcipriani:
Can they be used, just not loaded to their full capacity?
I believe magazines of any size are fine, you just cannot have more than 30 rounds in them; same idea with belts, or drums, or a helical mag (for the Calico). If I'm wrong about that I'd like to know exactly where it says that in current law. You cannot legally put a magazine with a capacity over 30rds in a NON NFA gun. Doing so "adapts" the weapon to fire more than 31 rounds without reloading - regardless of the number of rounds actually loaded in the mag. If you read this thread, its covered several times on the first page RC 2323.11 Weapons Control Definitions (E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges. Yeah, I read the thread before, no need to get testy. There is law and there is case law. You're only looking at "law". All the case law I have seen says you can use a magazine with any capacity as long as only 30 rounds are present in the magazine at the time it is inserted, or near, the NON NFA firearm. Talk to a lawyer specializing in gun laws if you don't believe me. Unless you can find particular case that supports your position you're just guessing. Believe it or not case law is just as important as written laws. That said, we should get rid of this stupid law just so we can stop talking about it online. 
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Posted: 9/27/2011 4:54:59 PM
Originally Posted By bigbore:
Originally Posted By Raph84:
What about a 31 round magazine? I want to take a standard baseplate and replace the +2 baseplate on a 33 round Glock mag. If I never chamber a round prior to inserting the mag wouldn't I be within the letter of the law? Not legal, you are still adapting the firearms to fire more than the legal limit. I still argue against this quite often with the 31 round Glock mags. You can not chamber a round in a Glock and shoot 32 rounds without "reloading" the mag back to 31 rounds. So, in my crazy head that tells me a "Glock 18" mag with the + baseplate swapped for a normal baseplate would make it GTG. You can only fire 31 rounds before having to "reload" the weapon. I understand you can fire 32 if you chamber a round, then RELOAD the mag to 31 rounds. Seems like a gray area for sure. I'm sure many will disagree, however to me the logic is sound in my argument 
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Posted: 9/29/2011 12:27:13 PM
Any attempts to get this law repealed yet? I ask because we need a model of success to follow in other states afterwards.
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Posted: 10/25/2011 9:46:57 AM
I am going to talk to my state rep about this, and see if there is any reasonable chance he can see to throw it into some legislation. No promises, he's a fairly new representative.
I am also going to draft up a request form for a permit under R.C. 2923.18. Once I have something worked up, I might be able to share it. For what it is worth, I am licensed to practice law in Ohio, but I don't do the private practice thing, so I don't want to have any issues with giving official legal advice without the proper coverage. |
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Posted: 10/25/2011 7:34:22 PM
Just everyone go out and buy a machine gun or two and this will be a non issue! This is such a simple solution.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:53:01 AM
What about a Pre 89 rifle and a Pre 89 drum? Or a Pre 89 drum? Technically they can't retroactively ban something.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 12:21:52 AM
Originally Posted By BillSXT2002:
Any updates?Would be nice to get this outdated definition thrown out.
I am going to talk to my state rep about this, and see if there is any reasonable chance he can see to throw it into some legislation. No promises, he's a fairly new representative. I am also going to draft up a request form for a permit under R.C. 2923.18. Once I have something worked up, I might be able to share it. For what it is worth, I am licensed to practice law in Ohio, but I don't do the private practice thing, so I don't want to have any issues with giving official legal advice without the proper coverage. |
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Posted: 2/28/2012 2:04:00 PM
with the glock 18 mags I have always just removed the standard expansion baseplate with one of my standard glock mag base as others have stated works for me and I am comfy that I will not be prosecuted for it. I do not conceal carry those mags.
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Posted: 7/4/2012 3:32:22 AM
Well shit, looks like I need to file for one of these dangerous ordnance permits since I own a belt fed machine gun thats simi auto since the links are perm linked togeather in groups of 50
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Posted: 8/6/2012 1:35:11 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 2:20:45 PM by 4DAIVIPAI2K5]
I can't find the ORC for the mag limit. Some one posted 2323.11 I can't find that code. I found 2923.17 which talks about the dangerous ordance. Which is what my SBR is considered so I hear.
Edit: found 2923.11which says a semi-automatic firearm is a automatic firearm if it is designed or specially adapted to fire more then 31 rounds with out reloading. 2923.11 also says a automatic firearm is a Dangerous Ordnance. Move on to 2923.17 that you can have a D.O. if it is register in the NFA registration. I think I understand it now. |
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Posted: 8/7/2012 11:32:50 AM
Originally Posted By akuser-47:
with the glock 18 mags I have always just removed the standard expansion baseplate with one of my standard glock mag base as others have stated works for me and I am comfy that I will not be prosecuted for it. I do not conceal carry those mags. I believe that's still a 31 round mag without the +2 plate on it. |
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Posted: 12/24/2012 5:37:02 AM
Excuse me,but in all honesty,REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,who follows these regulations pertaining to semi-automatic military style firearms.Oh,forgive me,I forgot that semi-automatics are now automatics,depending on type of ammunition feeding aparratus,if Im correct?.I understand that we all want to be good stewerds of the shooting population,good citizens/minions in our communitys,and Im coming across as a ignorant, biligerent lonewolf lawbreaker.I am sorry,but the people of this United States of America have become a society far to willing to ruled ,regulated,signed into law,a nation of submissive/subserviant persons who just want to exist
 ,NOT LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Oh Lord Jesus,give me the strength ,wisdom and forethought to step up my political activism up a few notches . |
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Posted: 2/24/2013 1:10:39 AM
I asked this question in the legal section, but no joy yet. Does anyone have any idea when the code was revised to limit mags to 31+ rounds? I'm not concerned with the details or justification, I just need to know the year the code was revised. It would appear it was in 93-94 based on what I am seeing on google, but info is SPARSE.
Also, prior to the code change, the limit was apparently 21+ rounds. Anyone have any idea when THAT went info effect? I need this info for a research proposal I am writing related to hicap mag ban effectiveness and AWBs. Any help at all would be appreciated! |
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