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Posted: 11/12/2016 11:55:25 AM EDT
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I also have an interest in the results here.
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Posted: 11/12/2016 12:02:54 PM EDT
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The modification must be permanent, but they do not define what that means. If you never plan to modify it, does that count as permanent?
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Posted: 11/12/2016 1:47:55 PM EDT
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They modification must be permanent, but they do not define what that means. My personal definition of permanent - An aggressively zealous law enforcement officer or district attorney could not pull the base plate, remove the block, discard the block and then stuff more than ten rounds in the magazine. Yes, they would be tampering with evidence if this were done. Yes, in the wake of a defensive shooting, they would do this. The fervor on the left is growing. I want there to be a permanent record the magazine was blocked - epoxy bond reside, rivet/screw hole,... I'm expecting/hoping to see magazine blocks sold commercially at some point. |
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Posted: 11/12/2016 2:19:56 PM EDT
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My personal definition of permanent - An aggressively zealous law enforcement officer or district attorney could not pull the base plate, remove the block, discard the block and then stuff more than ten rounds in the magazine. Yes, they would be tampering with evidence if this were done. Yes, in the wake of a defensive shooting, they would do this. The fervor on the left is growing. I want there to be a permanent record the magazine was blocked - epoxy bond reside, rivet/screw hole,... I'm expecting/hoping to see magazine blocks sold commercially at some point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They modification must be permanent, but they do not define what that means. My personal definition of permanent - An aggressively zealous law enforcement officer or district attorney could not pull the base plate, remove the block, discard the block and then stuff more than ten rounds in the magazine. Yes, they would be tampering with evidence if this were done. Yes, in the wake of a defensive shooting, they would do this. The fervor on the left is growing. I want there to be a permanent record the magazine was blocked - epoxy bond reside, rivet/screw hole,... I'm expecting/hoping to see magazine blocks sold commercially at some point. Here ya go- Magazine Blocks |
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Posted: 11/12/2016 9:55:12 PM EDT
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The easiest way is a rivet in the front of the mag limiting the follower. A rivet is a permanent alteration that is already in writing with the DOJ going back to the FAB 10. Craig
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Posted: 11/13/2016 1:23:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The easiest way is a rivet in the front of the mag limiting the follower. A rivet is a permanent alteration that is already in writing with the DOJ going back to the FAB 10. Craig I'm still wondering if a screw is an option over a rivet? I like to strip down mags and clean out the dust, and so a rivet has cleaning issues |
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Posted: 11/13/2016 11:51:17 PM EDT
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A screw will not do. It can be removed with the simple use of tools. Craig
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Posted: 11/22/2016 11:46:47 AM EDT
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Thordsen has been selling magazines with a screw in thing that blocks the follower. Then they put in a blind roll pin to seal the baseplate. I am guessing the base plate pin can be punched out for maintenance. No need for epoxy in this case?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 10:03:23 AM EDT
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Nothing is permanent.
All things born die. Everything built collapses. The law is stupid. If I take even a short 10-round magazine .223 magazine how many .22 shorts do you think I could pour into it dumping them in forwards, backwards, or upside down? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 1:33:43 PM EDT
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Whenever I think of the ten round limit, I think about getting a bigger caliber.
458 SOCOM is my favorite. It's a big, heavy bullet. There are some expanding bullets designed specifically for the cartridge. Some are meant specifically for subsonic loads. To me, it sounds like the 45 ACP, the 1911 version of a rifle. Ten rounds for self defense? You could do a lot worse than a subsonic 458 SOCOM. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 9:30:17 PM EDT
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A buddy has one of those .458s. It uses the same bullets as the .45-70 cartridge and the same standard magazines as the 5.56. It's a real beast to fire. I usually put about 5 rounds down range and say "that's enough for me".
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Posted: 11/24/2016 12:28:57 AM EDT
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Yes, loaded to full power, it can be a real thunper. Light loads might be better but 300 to 400 grains is going to have a wee bit of recoil.
I wonder if it is a good candidate for cast lead bullets loaded to subsonic speeds, perhaps with gas checks or powder coating? Anyone know? |
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Posted: 11/24/2016 4:51:03 PM EDT
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Nothing is permanent. All things born die. Everything built collapses. The law is stupid. If I take even a short 10-round magazine .223 magazine how many .22 shorts do you think I could pour into it dumping them in forwards, backwards, or upside down? Or I could take a short 10 round magazine, take the baseplate off the bottom, fabricate sheetmetal extensions, weld them on and put in a 30rnd spring. Permanence is dependent on skill, imagination and tools. But the law isn't intended to work that way. It is to make as many law abiding gun owners into criminals as possible. It is to instill fear in us and to make things so risky and onerous that we voluntarily disarm (or leave). |
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Posted: 11/24/2016 7:05:12 PM EDT
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But the law isn't intended to work that way. It is to make as many law abiding gun owners into criminals as possible. It is to instill fear in us and to make things so risky and onerous that we voluntarily disarm (or leave). This is the truth. These laws are about nothing else. |
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