I know there is a mag limit in CA. How do you guys cope with it? Wondering if epoxy in between a mag block and floor plate on a pmag is enough for permanent?

The laws here do not specify a technology/technique for limiting the capacity, just that the magazine must not be capable of holding more than 10 rounds.  I've seen rivets, punches, glued-in blocks,... anything that's permanent.

Many/most/all the people I know who have high cap mags are leaving them that way.  I don't know anyone who reduces the capacity of their magazines.  They are legal to own, possess and use, as long as you owned them before the law took effect.


If I were buying new magazines, I would buy ones that are factory modified to limit capacity.  Those work perfectly well.

Although I don't own this, this is my favorite "bullet button" gizmo. to help cope.

Link to Thordsen Custom

Thordsen Mag Lock Gizmo - see the video at this link

10/30 Hexmags are cheap at $12 each, delivered.

I just drilled a 1/8 hole through the floor plate and mag then installed a roll pin. Gtg and easy to knock the roll pin out and go back to a hi cap when in a free state.

Which means it very likely does not meet the permanence requirement, especially if it's designed to be "easy" to undo.

Not really. Since it hasn't been defined no one can say for sure. But the way I look at it is:

A) Magazine parts are legal, intent isn't a crime.

B) You assemble the parts into a magazine that will always accept 10 rounds or less when loaded is legal.

C) You can disassemble the magazine and have parts again and be perfectly legal.

If during disassembly you had a functioning mag that could hold greater than 10 rounds you would be in trouble.

I don't think a roll pin which is "easy to knock" out for the purpose of quickly converting the capacity of the magazine back and forth between a reduced and normal capacity could pass the most basic of sniff tests. But, hey, if Climbhigher23 wants to spend his money to see whether such a method will survive in court, he's more than free to do so. I wouldn't recommend his method to anyone looking to not become a test case.

Thanks for the link

Did this because the 10/20 rd mags I bought from my lgs were pinned the same way. Thordsen customs does the exact same thing.

Eta: Thordsen

Unless when they state their magazines are "permanently block" by mag block and "blind pin" they mean a roll pin which is designed to be easily removed and modify the capacity back and forth from reduced capacity to normal capacity, then no, they don't do the exact same thing.

So, do you feel a bonded-in pin or a pin covered with a tamper-evident/tamper-resistant cover would pass muster?

Bonded-in pin (I'm presuming like by epoxy) is more along the guidelines the DOJ gave years back when they attempted to define permanence in relations to what constitutes a fixed magazine. A tamper-evident seal appears to have nothing to do with preventing the ready conversion between a reduced and normal capacity magazine, it's just a potential signal that such a modification has occurred and is after the fact.

Thordsen Customs Compliant Limited Capacity Mag

Here is the mag purchased from the link above which is CA compliant.


Here are 3 different mags. The one from Thordsen Customs pictured above. One from a lgs which is assuredly CA compliant and one I blocked and pinned myself in the exact same manner as the other two.

The round projection on the front of the baseplate...is that to activate the bullet button?

Nice

Link

Yessir

Is it blind pinned (not drilled through the other side) or not?

This is what I like about them.  There's no need for any other "tool", just use a detached magazine as the "tool".  

You can buy replacement Ranger floor plates with the tool pre-installed.



You can buy Magpuls with the tool pre-installed, as well.



They also sell the pins as part of a kit to retrofit your existing magazines.  Link to kit

The little mechanism they designed is also very nice.  It is an ambidextrous bullet button which allows you to eject the magazine from either side (in case of injury) with a minimum of motions (easier) and without dismounting the rifle (faster).  



They sell some inexpensive drill jigs to ensure a professional installation by the average Joe (like me).  Amortize the cost across a few installations (or even one) and it's a trivial cost considering the advantages gained.  Link to drill jig



All that and it's sold at a fairly low price.


Go to the link I posted above and watch the video.  I think you'll like the functionality.



It seems I am a schill for Thordsen.  I am not.  I just think their innovations by this Callifornia-based company deserve some "air time" given the very ass backwards, anti-gun laws in this State.

I think the OP from NJ and the guys behind the red curtain in NY might be interested.

If it is essential that the mags in question must be "permanently" fixed to accept 10 rounds, epoxy should be fine. As far as coping, I own some 10 round mags, anything and everything else is nobody's business, including "the man."

We can be friends.