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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:17:53 AM EDT
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Hope it misses their home
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:36:04 AM EDT
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That sucks.
Hope you don't have scuba tanks in that safe. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:19:06 PM EDT
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You have to get in ASAP to open the safe and oil the he guns and dry the wood after the fire.
Fireproof safes release moisture when hot. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 1:19:58 PM EDT
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Hope it misses the place altogether. Good luck.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 3:03:50 PM EDT
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You have to get in ASAP to open the safe and oil the he guns and dry the wood after the fire. Fireproof safes release moisture when hot. That brings something to mind - how do you get in if you have an electronic keypad? The keypad is going to be gone, burned to a crisp or melted in the fire. Do locksmiths have spare key pads readily available? This would be a good reason to buy a combination lock rather than an electronic lock. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 5:29:24 PM EDT
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That brings something to mind - how do you get in if you have an electronic keypad? The keypad is going to be gone, burned to a crisp or melted in the fire. Do locksmiths have spare key pads readily available? This would be a good reason to buy a combination lock rather than an electronic lock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to get in ASAP to open the safe and oil the he guns and dry the wood after the fire. Fireproof safes release moisture when hot. That brings something to mind - how do you get in if you have an electronic keypad? The keypad is going to be gone, burned to a crisp or melted in the fire. Do locksmiths have spare key pads readily available? This would be a good reason to buy a combination lock rather than an electronic lock. My Ft. Knox has both, one of the reasons I bought it. That and the 120 minute 1680 deg. fire rating. Tom |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:02:22 PM EDT
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Smoke cloud is looking pretty big from Sacramento. Any update on your parents place?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:26:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:That brings something to mind - how do you get in if you have an electronic keypad?
Not quickly. The fire seals will have expanded filling the tiny gap in the door to seal out the heat. With a new keypad in hand you ought to be good-to-to. The brains are inside the door ... and hopefully they didn't melt! I went with electronic as it takes but two seconds to open the door and I can do it in the dark without my glasses on. If figured I'd open the door and use the safe a bunch more that way and if my house (three blocks from the fire station) burns down I'll have more to worry about than entering my gun safe. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:35:35 PM EDT
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Good Luck.
A close family friend has family up in Weed, and they made it through. As far as mechanical combination locks go check with the safe manufacturer and maybe the lock manufacturer, some mechanical locks not designed to go on fire safes and one of their anti-theft features are some internal parts are made of bismuth or a bismuth alloy that melts disabling the lock when a torch is used |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:01:35 PM EDT
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hope it misses them, i have some acreage up in that area and so does my gf, luckily it hasnt spread towards grizzly flats yet.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:44:50 PM EDT
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...and if my house (three blocks from the fire station) burns down I'll have more to worry about than entering my gun safe. Never be to sure about that... This happened in my hometown within view of the fire station. 
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Cause-Sought-In-Petaluma-Feed-Store-Fire-3302586.php |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:20:19 AM EDT
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So far so good. Parents mandatory evacced. Yubanet shows fire moving toward ranch, last position was about a mile away.
On a plus note, no structures have been lost so far. I'm hoping this holds. caser--thanks for the word on the safe. I hadn't known that. Lock is mechanical Sargent and Greenleaf. Safe was purchased in 1996, Liberty Washington. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:27:48 PM EDT
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Never be to sure about that... This happened in my hometown within view of the fire station.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Cause-Sought-In-Petaluma-Feed-Store-Fire-3302586.php Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...and if my house (three blocks from the fire station) burns down I'll have more to worry about than entering my gun safe. Never be to sure about that... This happened in my hometown within view of the fire station.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Cause-Sought-In-Petaluma-Feed-Store-Fire-3302586.php The biggest fire station in Weed is the VFD located on the grounds of the Roseburg Mill. The fire is reported to have started at the mill. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:54:12 PM EDT
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So far so good. Parents mandatory evacced. Yubanet shows fire moving toward ranch, last position was about a mile away. Here's hoping. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:20:52 PM EDT
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Ranch burned, but EFN reporting no structures lost. Not sure what that means. Fire blew up last night...from 8000 acres to 70000.
Supposedly caught the guy who started it. Arson suspected. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
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The biggest fire station in Weed is the VFD located on the grounds of the Roseburg Mill. The fire is reported to have started at the mill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...and if my house (three blocks from the fire station) burns down I'll have more to worry about than entering my gun safe. Never be to sure about that... This happened in my hometown within view of the fire station.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Cause-Sought-In-Petaluma-Feed-Store-Fire-3302586.php The biggest fire station in Weed is the VFD located on the grounds of the Roseburg Mill. The fire is reported to have started at the mill. The Boles fire in Weed supposedly started on Boles street, about 3/4 mile south of the mill. Blew right through town and the mill and more town. That had to be scary as hell to be in the middle of that. Tom |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:28:11 PM EDT
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Ranch burned, but EFN reporting no structures lost. Not sure what that means. Fire blew up last night...from 8000 acres to 70000. Supposedly caught the guy who started it. Arson suspected. Six Tigers, Where is the ranch located? I used to travel through there often. Hope all ends well. Tom |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:33:10 PM EDT
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Don't know if you've seen this map. Looks like an overlay on google earth. Zoom and pan.
https://mapsengine.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zdKyl7kg4VB4.kzoGHac5DqbE eta: never mind, I see it's on the yubanet site. Tom |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 3:15:09 AM EDT
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Six Tigers, Where is the ranch located? I used to travel through there often. Hope all ends well. Tom Thanks, Tom. North of Hiway 50, about a 1/2 mile...but with the way the mountains are, it's about a 20 minute drive from Riverton--same exit as if you were going to Ice House/Loon Lake/Union Valley Reservoir. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 3:15:57 AM EDT
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Wow--the guy they caught? Judge set bail at $10 MILLION. I think they want this guy.
Link here (Reno Gazette/Journal) |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 6:39:30 AM EDT
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From a Fresno native, now living in green West Virginia, y'all stay safe out there. I'll be back in hot and dry Fresno next month.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:12:34 AM EDT
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Wow--the guy they caught? Judge set bail at $10 MILLION. I think they want this guy. Link here (Reno Gazette/Journal) I hadn't heard about it being arson. 
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:03:55 AM EDT
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On the 50 E now headed to the fireline, a lot of resources here. Hopefully it does miss your house. From my experience with the Cedar and Witch fires in SD County, only thing standing when a house is fully engulfed is the chimney. wildlandfire.com hotlist has good updates on the fires burning in CA
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Posted: 9/19/2014 1:27:45 PM EDT
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Thanks, Tom. North of Hiway 50, about a 1/2 mile...but with the way the mountains are, it's about a 20 minute drive from Riverton--same exit as if you were going to Ice House/Loon Lake/Union Valley Reservoir. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Six Tigers, Where is the ranch located? I used to travel through there often. Hope all ends well. Tom Thanks, Tom. North of Hiway 50, about a 1/2 mile...but with the way the mountains are, it's about a 20 minute drive from Riverton--same exit as if you were going to Ice House/Loon Lake/Union Valley Reservoir. I know the road well, for a 4 or 5 years stretch I think I spent more of my time in the summer on the Rubicon than I did at home. Rugged, beautiful country up there. Hope they make it through okay. Tom |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 2:18:01 PM EDT
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Wow--the guy they caught? Judge set bail at $10 MILLION. I think they want this guy. Link here (Reno Gazette/Journal) Arrest them (arsonists) and try them. If found guilty, burn them at the stake. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 3:28:08 PM EDT
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From the King Fire facebook page about ten minutes ago:
We have confirmed that structures have been damaged or destroyed in the White Meadows area. As soon as possible, we will have damage assessment teams enter the area to complete a full assessment and determine the type and number of structures affected. To obtain additional information from the County CAO’s office, residents can call 530-642-7263 or email [email protected]. Hope this isn't your family. Tom |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 6:23:45 PM EDT
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 6:29:48 PM EDT
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
Sh*t. 
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Posted: 9/19/2014 6:44:05 PM EDT
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
Sorry for your families loss
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Posted: 9/19/2014 7:22:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Sorry. :(
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Posted: 9/19/2014 7:42:07 PM EDT
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I am so sorry. Such a terrible, needless loss. If there"s anything we can do...
Tom |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:17:02 PM EDT
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here's one arsonist. he lit the fire because he was mad at somebody who owed him money for some speed. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/29/local/la-me-old-fire-sentencing-20130129
had that POS been previouisly executed for violent felonies, the fire would not have happened. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:49:39 PM EDT
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Damn. Keep us updated.
IM sent. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:54:09 PM EDT
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 11:19:49 PM EDT
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Made the link hot, as it is worth reading.
Link to news article This guy should also be burned at the stake. |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 7:03:37 PM EDT
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
Have they let your folks get back to their place yet? Very sorry to hear what happened and why. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 4:48:06 PM EDT
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Have they let your folks get back to their place yet? Very sorry to hear what happened and why. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah...apparently it was. Confirmed by neighbor who watched it burn with firefighters...lost everything.
Have they let your folks get back to their place yet? Very sorry to hear what happened and why. Yeah. Just got off the phone with mom. It's all gone. Tractors, trucks, cars, barn, house, spring house, generators...there's literally nothing left. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:07:51 PM EDT
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So very sorry to hear it.
I hope the pain will pass for your folks soon. No doubt this was an unnecessary tragedy. I don't have much experience with this sort of thing cause in the cases where my friends were wiped out, they had no safe. Does the family have the ability to go in after the safe at this point, or does the law or insurance have to be there too? It seems like it would make sense that it needs to be a safety consideration, but before too long they should probably be allowed to go see if they can save things like fire safes. Again, very sorry for you and your folks. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 7:04:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Shit bro, hope insurance covers it.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 8:59:52 PM EDT
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No insurance--homeowner's, anyway. Can't get homeowner's insurance up there due to fire hazards.
Guess I'll find out how good the NRA insurance is. Haven't seen it yet, leaving early tomorrow morning to survey. From what I hear, there is no way the guns survived. Dad says there isn't a square foot of house or barn that wasn't completely wiped out. Had a large pond, four feet deep--dry and baked. I don't think the safe is rated for that kind of heat. Liberty Washington, bought in 1996. The shitty part about the guns: most are not replaceable anymore in California. |
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Posted: 9/21/2014 9:09:51 PM EDT
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No insurance--homeowner's, anyway. Can't get homeowner's insurance up there due to fire hazards. Guess I'll find out how good the NRA insurance is. Haven't seen it yet, leaving early tomorrow morning to survey. From what I hear, there is no way the guns survived. Dad says there isn't a square foot of house or barn that wasn't completely wiped out. Had a large pond, four feet deep--dry and baked. I don't think the safe is rated for that kind of heat. Liberty Washington, bought in 1996. The shitty part about the guns: most are not replaceable anymore in California. Oh man... That's terrible.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 10:03:53 PM EDT
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No insurance--homeowner's, anyway. Can't get homeowner's insurance up there due to fire hazards. Guess I'll find out how good the NRA insurance is. Haven't seen it yet, leaving early tomorrow morning to survey. From what I hear, there is no way the guns survived. Dad says there isn't a square foot of house or barn that wasn't completely wiped out. Had a large pond, four feet deep--dry and baked. I don't think the safe is rated for that kind of heat. Liberty Washington, bought in 1996. The shitty part about the guns: most are not replaceable anymore in California. I don't know what to say, thats a tough break. At least your folks are ok.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:21:26 AM EDT
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Sorry to hear what happened. That really sucks about the insurance. I thought everyone could be covered for at least the structure.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:52:38 PM EDT
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Very sorry for you and your families loss.
It's forecast to rain on Wednesday through Friday. Maybe. I know it's probably not real high on your priority list but don't give up on the guns. I've seen houses burn down around safes, I've pulled intact weapons from the ashes. I mean there's a chance. Not a good one, but you'll not know until you see for yourself. |
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Posted: 9/24/2014 8:47:33 AM EDT
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I'm real sorry to hear of your loss.
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Posted: 9/24/2014 11:37:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/24/2014 7:33:43 PM EDT
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A little slide show/video of the King fire if anybodys interested.
Video for 9/15 thru 9/17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FxgfDSXY70&feature=player_embedded Video for 9/18 thru9/23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ-HD-rBaNQ&feature=player_embedded Tom eta: updated video |
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Posted: 9/26/2014 6:31:23 PM EDT
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Been a busy few days. Spent four days at home, two of which were getting up and coming back. Was only able to get onsite for a half-hour or so on the morning we left: Area was still active, and they weren't letting anybody into the area. Finally got to see the damage on the morning of the day we left.
At the request of my parents, I won't post any photos of the damage to the rest of the property. They're pretty private people. This was a Liberty Presidential series safe that stood proudly in the front corner of the house. Front: 
Left side: 
Rear: 
Right: 
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Posted: 9/26/2014 7:42:02 PM EDT
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When will you be able to open the safe? Were you able to take it home? I've got my fingers crossed for you!
Tom |
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