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Posted: 6/23/2012 10:05:18 PM

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don't know if this has been posted yet...(this is just forwarded information)
As many of you may know, in California we employ a ‘bullet button’ on our magazine release in order to keep our rifles legal. New legislation has been proposed to now make these illegal as well. If you have 3 minutes of your day, please help stop SB 249:


Stop SB 249 campaign website (http://stopsb249.org)

Stop SB 249 Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-…99341346769168)

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Change.org petition https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-sb-249

StopSB246.org publishes Davis & Associates analysis of SB 249

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1. Send Sen. Yee a letter of opposition: http://stopsb249.org/tellyee/
2. Send Assembly Public Safety a letter of opposition: http://stopsb249.org/send-a-letter/
3. Sign this petition: https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-sb-249
4. Print out our info sheets (coming soon) and FAQ – post them at the range, at gun shops, and everywhere you can!
5. Call Sen. Yee’s office (916-651-4008), ask for the SB 249 “Fact Sheet” and “Backgrounder” (make them take the time to explain the bill – often)
6. Help the Stop SB 249 Campaign go viral (share with your networks as fast as you can)
7. Check in at stopsb249.org for the latest updates and alerts
8. Contribute financially at http://bit.ly/helpstopsb249

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Posted: 6/24/2012 12:10:33 AM
i did my part now you need to do yours tell all your friends and get them to sign the petition your rights are on the line make a difference
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Posted: 6/24/2012 3:45:47 PM
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If this goes through would it reopen the assault weapon registry?

ETA: that would mean for a couple hundred bucks your arsenal of bullet button guns could become non bullet button guns...
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Posted: 6/25/2012 3:44:23 AM
And what city is Yee from?
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:57:50 AM
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And what city is Yee from?


Born in China.

Serves, District 8 which includes western San Francisco and San Mateo County.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 1:27:39 PM
Somebody help me understand this text from the bill:

"SB 249, as amended, Yee. Firearms: assault weapon conversion kits.
Existing law, with certain exceptions, prohibits the possession of an
assault weapon, as defined, and makes violations subject to criminal
penalties.
This bill would, commencing July 1, 2013, and with certain
exceptions, prohibit any person from importing, making, selling, loaning,
transferring, or possessing any conversion kit, as defined, designed to
convert certain firearms with a fixed magazine into firearms with the
capacity to accept a detachable magazine and other features making the
firearm an assault weapon and would make violations subject to criminal
penalties. By creating new crimes, this bill would impose a
state-mandated local program
."

Seems to me, that a bullet button is a part or parts designed to convert a "detachable" magazine [firearm] into one that is not detachable.
While things like a "mag magnet" or similar part designed to circumvent or bypass the functionality of a bullet button are actually what the bill is after.

Anybody?

A.W.D.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:18:43 PM
If anyone has any more info, be sure to post it here. I'm sure I could swing buying another lower by the end of the month if they clarify it to include the BB.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 4:22:33 PM
Originally Posted By BusaBoy2009:
If this goes through would it reopen the assault weapon registry?

ETA: that would mean for a couple hundred bucks your arsenal of bullet button guns could become non bullet button guns...


Yes is this what would happen? I'm confused as to what would happen if it passes. Like do I need to go buy 10 lowers???
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Posted: 6/25/2012 5:02:54 PM
so what does this mean?
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:10:28 PM
received this email from CGNN (Calguns.net)...hopefully it will help explain things a little more...


Senator Leland Yee's SB 249 makes thousands of law-abiding California gun owners criminals.

What is SB 249?

Senate Bill 249 is a California State Senate bill, authored by Senator Leland Yee (San Francisco), designed to prohibit the possession, importation, making, selling, transferring, or loaning of any [firearm] "conversion kit."

What happens if SB 249 passes?

If SB 249 passes, beginning July 1, 2013, violating the newly-added gun control laws would subject people to civil and criminal liability. California Penal Code section 17(a) makes a violation of SB 249, if enacted, a misdemeanor crime. SB 249 would also allow a prosecutor to bring a civil action against a person possessing a "conversion kit." Such a civil action could impose a fine and require the owner to surrender their weapon without compensation.

What can I do to STOP SB 249?

The STOP SB 249 campaign has made it easy for you to take action against this bill. Please visit http://StopSB249.org/take-action and take advantage of our many free tools that allow you to STAND UP and FIGHT BACK against SB 249 and the gun-grabbing Sen. Leland Yee.

Who is STOP SB 249 and StopSB249.org?

The STOP SB 249 campaign is a coalition made up of The Calguns Foundation, Cal-FFL, and thousands of law-abiding California gun owners and civil rights advocates opposed to SB 249.

For more information on SB 249 and how it could affect you, your Second Amendment rights, and possibly even your business, please visit:

StopSB249.org


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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:41:16 PM
Is there anything defining a "conversion kit"?

Is this a bullet button?

A wonder wrench?

A mag magnet?

Where does a featureless gun fall into this? M1A's, mini14's, etc.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:04:37 AM
Q: What is the problem with SB 249?

A: There are many. For starters, the definition of “conversion kit” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 encompasses “any combination of parts” (plural) whether or not the individual possess a firearm capable of accepting the combination of parts. Under this regulation, it is not necessary to even have a firearm to violate this provision; mere importing, making, selling, loaning, transferring or possessing the parts to a “conversion kit” is a violation.

This “combination of parts” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 is not limited to “Mag Magnets” and other locking device accessories, but applies to any “parts” designed or intended to convert a “fixed magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” A “Mag Magnet” cannot, by itself, convert a “non-detachable magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” Other features are required. Arguably, all other features identified as “assault weapon features” are therefore included within this definition. Thus, a “conversion kit” can conceivably include any of the following:

A magazine locking device accessory that converts a firearm with a “non-detachable magazine” into a firearm with a “detachable magazine;”
A detachable magazine kit, OEM or aftermarket;
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
A thumbhole stock;
A folding;
A telescoping stock;
A grenade launcher;
A flare launcher;
A flash suppressor;
A forward pistol grip;
A large capacity magazine;
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
A second hand grip,
A shroud that is not attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel,
A firearm with any of the above referenced items affixed in a manner that they cannot be removed;
A firearm with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
A firearm receiver;
Any other part used in an “assault weapon.”
As such, the mere possession, importation, selling, of any combination of the above referenced “parts” could cause someone to be arrested and defend oneself against allegations that they intended to convert a firearm into an “assault weapon.”

And, because of the broad scope of affected items, firearms retailers would effectively have to cease operations as they could not lawfully sell or possess more than one of any item described above without facing potential criminal and civil liability.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 2:45:37 AM
Signed, and donated.


Any way to get the NRA in on this effort?
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Posted: 6/26/2012 12:31:54 PM
I think the law is going to be way to vague to go anywhere, kinda like peratas ammo tax.

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Posted: 6/26/2012 1:27:14 PM
Bottom line...is this going to ban the bullet button or just those magnetic devices designed to bypass the bullet button?

Either way I think this bill is BS, but I just want to be clear on this...you practically have to be an attorney to decipher the wording in the bill!
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Posted: 6/26/2012 10:56:36 PM
I would also like to know flat out what this will mean for the future of the bullet button. Also, if it removed the bullet button, would it refer California back to the previous method of "fixed" magazines where you had to split the recievers to load bullets into the fixed magazine? Also, would by outlawing the "possession" of the BB, does that mean that former owners can keep their ARs with BB bought before the passing of the bill.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 12:51:59 AM
This sucks. Senator Yee needs to go.
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This sucks. Senator Yee needs to go.


+1 but he's from the bay area. Too many Chinese that will vote blindly based on race. BTW I'm Chinese so I know.



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Posted: 6/30/2012 12:37:16 AM
Why is nobody on here voicing their concern about this bill!?!

I am extremely worried about this bill passing.

I can't remember another bill in the recent past that would cause soo
much damage to our 2nd amendment rights.

This bill (a former re-written agricultural bill) is soo flawed, it can't be allowed to pass

If you're on AR15.com, it probably means you LOVE your black rifle.

Do you realize that if this passes and you're in California...IT WILL BE BANNED!?!

Call Senator Leland Yee (author of bill) at 916-651-4008 and voice your opposition to the bill.

Also go on Twitter and spread the word @stopsb249

PLEASE STAND UP AND BE HEARD!!!
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Posted: 6/30/2012 12:54:32 AM
Originally Posted By 3s1k:
Q: What is the problem with SB 249?

A: There are many. For starters, the definition of “conversion kit” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 encompasses “any combination of parts” (plural) whether or not the individual possess a firearm capable of accepting the combination of parts. Under this regulation, it is not necessary to even have a firearm to violate this provision; mere importing, making, selling, loaning, transferring or possessing the parts to a “conversion kit” is a violation.

This “combination of parts” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 is not limited to “Mag Magnets” and other locking device accessories, but applies to any “parts” designed or intended to convert a “fixed magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” A “Mag Magnet” cannot, by itself, convert a “non-detachable magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” Other features are required. Arguably, all other features identified as “assault weapon features” are therefore included within this definition. Thus, a “conversion kit” can conceivably include any of the following:

A magazine locking device accessory that converts a firearm with a “non-detachable magazine” into a firearm with a “detachable magazine;”
A detachable magazine kit, OEM or aftermarket;
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
A thumbhole stock;
A folding;
A telescoping stock;
A grenade launcher;
A flare launcher;
A flash suppressor;
A forward pistol grip;
A large capacity magazine;
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
A second hand grip,
A shroud that is not attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel,
A firearm with any of the above referenced items affixed in a manner that they cannot be removed;
A firearm with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
A firearm receiver;
Any other part used in an “assault weapon.”
As such, the mere possession, importation, selling, of any combination of the above referenced “parts” could cause someone to be arrested and defend oneself against allegations that they intended to convert a firearm into an “assault weapon.”

And, because of the broad scope of affected items, firearms retailers would effectively have to cease operations as they could not lawfully sell or possess more than one of any item described above without facing potential criminal and civil liability.


i think this is all rifles with a mag, i cant think of one this doesn't cover
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Posted: 6/30/2012 1:18:25 AM
Originally Posted By motodog57:
Originally Posted By 3s1k:
Q: What is the problem with SB 249?

A: There are many. For starters, the definition of “conversion kit” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 encompasses “any combination of parts” (plural) whether or not the individual possess a firearm capable of accepting the combination of parts. Under this regulation, it is not necessary to even have a firearm to violate this provision; mere importing, making, selling, loaning, transferring or possessing the parts to a “conversion kit” is a violation.

This “combination of parts” within proposed Penal Code section 30527(a) of SB249 is not limited to “Mag Magnets” and other locking device accessories, but applies to any “parts” designed or intended to convert a “fixed magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” A “Mag Magnet” cannot, by itself, convert a “non-detachable magazine” firearm into an “assault weapon.” Other features are required. Arguably, all other features identified as “assault weapon features” are therefore included within this definition. Thus, a “conversion kit” can conceivably include any of the following:

A magazine locking device accessory that converts a firearm with a “non-detachable magazine” into a firearm with a “detachable magazine;”
A detachable magazine kit, OEM or aftermarket;
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
A thumbhole stock;
A folding;
A telescoping stock;
A grenade launcher;
A flare launcher;
A flash suppressor;
A forward pistol grip;
A large capacity magazine;
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
A second hand grip,
A shroud that is not attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel,
A firearm with any of the above referenced items affixed in a manner that they cannot be removed;
A firearm with the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip;
A firearm receiver;
Any other part used in an “assault weapon.”
As such, the mere possession, importation, selling, of any combination of the above referenced “parts” could cause someone to be arrested and defend oneself against allegations that they intended to convert a firearm into an “assault weapon.”

And, because of the broad scope of affected items, firearms retailers would effectively have to cease operations as they could not lawfully sell or possess more than one of any item described above without facing potential criminal and civil liability.


i think this is all rifles with a mag, i cant think of one this doesn't cover


You're probably not far off the mark.

I just was pushing the point about AR's, but this bill would most likely ban several
hundred if not thousands of different makes & models of semi automatic rifles.

It's such a blanket bill, it's sole purpose is to ban as many firearms as possible
in as short of time as possible.

I'm praying this doesn't pass.

I've got soo much money invested in my AR collection, it makes me sick to think
they could ALL become illegal here overnight for NO REASON!

Unfortunately moving out of California isn't an option for me and my family due to
my wife's tenure at her job...otherwise we would have got the hell out of this goddamn state years ago.
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Posted: 6/30/2012 6:41:31 PM
The "conversion kit" is the center of controversy on www.calguns.net, whatever it is, its a bad bill and must be fought until it goes down in flames. Some people are mistaken in believing it would reopen the assault weapons registry, no, it would not, that's been closed long time ago for people complying with the provisions of SB-23. There is a massive effort going to defeat this and it has lots of people galvanized to defeat it. Please help us defeat it by getting the word out.
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"assault weapon conversion kit" = any firearm part that can make an assault weapon
It bans possession of said "conversion kit".

hmmm...
Semi-auto centerfire rifle with maglock + possession of large capacity magazine that can be used in that rifle = "assault weapon conversion kit".

So... SB249 can be used to ban the possession of some types of large capacity magazines.
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Posted: 7/1/2012 8:19:35 PM
Another copy/paste from email (sorry I didn't hotlink). If anyone would like me to forward these emails please IM me your email address.

It’s Crunch Time Folks!!
We need to get the message sent out!

Tuesday July 3rd is the date for the vote, WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE,
NO TO SB 249!

We Need To Contact each member of the state Assembly Committee on Public Safety, HERE is the NRA One Click, Email them, Call them, Fax them. Get out there and Make Your Thoughts Known!

SB 249 is expected to be heard and voted on next Tuesday, July 3 in the State Assembly Committee on Public Safety. This is also the deadline date for ALL legislation to pass or fail in the state Senate and Assembly policy committees for the 2012 legislative session. The State Assembly Committee on Public Safety needs to hear from ALL of California’s gun owners and sportsmen urging them to OPPOSE SB 249. Contact information for the Committee members can be found here. Senator Yee and his staff also need to hear from California gun owners expressing their outrage that the Senator would suggest such a bill and urge him to pull SB 249 from the agenda. Senator Yee and his staff can be reached at 916-651-4008 and by e-mail here or at Senator.Yee@senate.ca.gov.
 

 

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Monday *bump*

Here's the website with all the contact info for the Public Safety Committee: light up the phones, faxes, and emails!

http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/legs/asmpubsafety.shtml

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Who's writing these guys? I'm working on mine right now.
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