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One thing has bothered me from the beginning. Could someone please give me a reason why or what motivation the Sanford Police would have to NOT charge someone if there was any evidence of a crime being committed. Are they completely inept, incompetent, or what. I haven't heard anyone making the charge that SPD is guilty of any of these things. So it tells me that the evidence indicates GZ was lawful in his actions as far as SPD and the local prosecutor were concerned.
Of course then comes the national renta-mob and everything that followed. I've said from day one that I have no opinion of GZ's guilt or innocence until I hear ALL the evidence of which I have not. There is no question that political pressure is now ruling the day. I don't have much confidence in any of our leaders, be it national or local, to do the right thing. The single thing this country is lacking the most is Leadership. I hope GZ gets a fair and impartial trial, but I don't think he will. |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 9:07:24 AM
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Posted: 4/20/2012 9:26:52 AM
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Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By Dru:
Here it is folks........ 
Task Force On Stand Your Ground The 15 members are listed in the article. I am disappointed in our Governor for doing this. I would hate to have to vote for a democrat, but this is ridiculous . Showtime The committee has no legislative power, the legislature is stil firmlycontrolled by the republicans that passed the law. Let them have their committee and make their recomendations. 
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Posted: 4/20/2012 9:50:50 AM
Originally Posted By searchin4shacks:
One thing has bothered me from the beginning. Could someone please give me a reason why or what motivation the Sanford Police would have to NOT charge someone if there was any evidence of a crime being committed. Are they completely inept, incompetent, or what. I haven't heard anyone making the charge that SPD is guilty of any of these things. So it tells me that the evidence indicates GZ was lawful in his actions as far as SPD and the local prosecutor were concerned. Of course then comes the national renta-mob and everything that followed. I've said from day one that I have no opinion of GZ's guilt or innocence until I hear ALL the evidence of which I have not. There is no question that political pressure is now ruling the day. I don't have much confidence in any of our leaders, be it national or local, to do the right thing. The single thing this country is lacking the most is Leadership. I hope GZ gets a fair and impartial trial, but I don't think he will. IMO the reason Zimmerman wasn't initially charged is because the available evidence did not provide a reason to charge him and the matter was disposed off properly as have been other similar cases. I don't hope Zimmerman gets a fair trial; I hope that all charges are dropped by an honest judge in a preliminary hearing so he doesn't have to suffer thorugh a politicial show trial simply to please the rent-a-mob. A rent-a-mob that will never accept a "not guilty" verdict anyway. By serving up Zimmerman, all the politicians are achieving is buying some time, because the media driven mob will never be appeased in the event justice is served and Zimmerman is not convicted solely for their pleasure. |
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Dershowitz has apparently backed away for his statements that the affidavit of probable cause as prepared by Angela Corey, was actually "unethical", but this is an interesting read anyway.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/opinion/dershowitz-trayvon-prosecutor-nightmare/index.html?iid=article_sidebar |
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Originally Posted By toolboxluis00100: chortle.... |
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<a href="http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg </a> chortle.... Frankly, I am sick and tired of our country in general and our state in this instance, pandering to a bunch of violent morons. |
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Originally Posted By America-first: Originally Posted By osprey21: Originally Posted By toolboxluis00100: <a href="http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg </a> chortle.... Frankly, I am sick and tired of our country in general and our state in this instance, pandering to a bunch of violent morons. Me also and all of people sticking up for what what appears to have been a stereo typical thug should hang their heads in shame. I hope they paint him up as the true delinquent that he was. This bull shit about Trayvon's legacy and other comments like that make me sick. I was not a good teen and I would hate anyone trying to glorify my teen life for their own glory. |
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Interesting commentary on this video regarding the bond hearing; you need to listen to the commentators "between the lines".
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Posted: 4/20/2012 9:08:37 PM
Tired of Nancy Grace's biased "legal commentary" and her propensity to cut off proponents of Mr. Zimmerman and the Stand Your Ground statutes during her interviews.
$40.00 to Mr. Zimmerman. This circus is going to be just another colossal waste of Florida tax payer money... |
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Posted: 4/20/2012 10:36:09 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Originally Posted By toolboxluis00100:
<a href="http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg" target="_blank">http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/zimmerman2.jpg </a> chortle.... Frankly, I am sick and tired of our country in general and our state in this instance, pandering to a bunch of violent morons. Yup... Tired of a lot more too... But yes you nailed it! |
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Originally Posted By SGB: Here's another ray of sunshine No one made the noon filing deadline for this fall's elections, so Angela Corey has earned another four years as the state attorney for the 4th Circuit. Well, from what FLHTF had to say about her before, she wasn't that bad. Just fucked up big in this case. I guess I have to call this her mulligan... not that there is any other choice available. |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 1:39:30 AM
First of all, me being from OHIO. This case has a effect on ALL and any State's that have what Fla. calls "Stand Your Ground Law (s)" We have the Castle Doctrine law here, it's a little different from yours. But close in nature. We want what you have!!!! And this case being as big as it is now, And only going to get bigger for sure. Has EVERY state's CCW/CHL group supporting the use of deadly force. And as we speak BFA ( Buckeye Firearms) has taken great interest in seeing that the truth be known about this case out side of the state of Fl. And not just what the MSM is selling as the facts. Because this case is going to effect everyone in the CCW/CHL nation wide.
So being a holder of 5 different CCW permits and having traveled to your state, carrying my weapon. I'd like to toss in my two cents from a outsiders view. And I'll also give you our groups bi-weekly Wed. night CCW/CHL meetings take on the latest events. Our group is made up of about 50% LEO or former LEO,And 50% common Joe's and Joe Ann's. All 32 of use ( dam how did it get this big) all CCW. Reading the law as it stands in your state. We ALL think that Mr Z. (as we call him) will not be found guilty of Murder 2. And that the bar was set high,Hopping that he would panic and take a deal of manslaughter. If he truly felt his life was in danger from getting his head bounced of the pavement,concrete, or hard earth. Then I/ We fell he had the right to use deadly force. And hope he "Stands his ground" And makes a group of 12 judge him. BTW, where in gods name are they going to find a jury in Fl. that could be fare on this case???? 
So please don't beat up the Ohio guy to hard. 
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It sounding more and more like Zimmerman should not be standing trial for defending himself; the only difference between this case and a run of the mill " Thug gets himself shot" case, is the national attention it has received in the media and from the professional race baiters and the resultant pressure on the state tout on a show trial for political purposes.
"Investigator Dale Gilbreath testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman's contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin. The affidavit says "Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued." But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was "not consistent with the evidence we found." He gave no details." http://news.yahoo.com/experts-zimmerman-attorney-made-smart-move-072305753.html I certainly hope that after a hearing, he is found to be immune from prosecution by a judge as called for under our self defense statutes and does not have to stand trial. |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 9:57:27 AM
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Originally Posted By PR361:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By SGB:
The States probable cause affidavit reads like it was drafted by the NBC producer that got fired for doctoring the tape. Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’ From what Dershowitz said, it sounds like all Zimmerman will need to have the charge dismissed is for his case to come before an ethical judge who will impartially apply the law. Previous to the indictment, I believed Angela Corey to be an honest public servant, though after listening to the pandering "campaign speech" she gave when she announced the second degree murder charge, I now know otherwise. IMO, the worst outrage of any that a government can perpetrate against the people is to conduct political arrests and trials against its citizens; it's the mark of tyranny. Our self defense laws were written to protect the crime victim from a rabid media and political pressure, as well as politically minded prosecutions and idiotic, pliable minded jurors. I honestly didn't know what to believe in this matter, but because the media has poisoned any available information; I'm going to go with what Dershowitz has said. I am disappointed in Angela Corey to the point of disgust; idiot that I am, I honestly believed our system was better, and that she in particular, would abide by the law. With a fraudulent affadivit of probable cause, the prosecution of Zimmerman is a perversion of both the law and justice as well. I threw this out in GD, but play along for a minute while I spring my " Conspiracy Theory" on you. I'm considering the possibility that the affadavit, and charges are intentionally weak and over reaching. Angela Corey was tasked by Gov. Scott to resolve this and make it go away. It is a huge, festering boil on the state, ready to explode. It needs to be diffused. How do you do that? You cannot simply not charge the man. There are millions of people emotionally vested in seeing him charged, convinced he commited murder. They are stupid and wrong, but still there, and vocal. They must be answered to be quieted. So you charge Zimmerman. You charge him with a ridiculous, over reaching MURDER charge, backed by a weak affadavit filled with baseless, unprovable, nonsense, just like Al Sharpton axed you too. They got what they wanted, a win, their protests succeeded, Their voice was heard, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with murder. Unproveable charges. Manslaughter, negligent homicide, they might have been able to prove. Murder 2? No way. Profileing? Thats not even a crime. Everything I've read says that Corey is a smart, no nonsense, apolitical go getter. I don't se her suddenly becoming stupid. I think she is the fox in the henhouse, running a stage show for Govenor Scott. The media will get their circus. The people will be vindicated. Trayvon s family will have their day in court. George Zimmerman will be aquitted by a jury of his peers, and be stuck with lawyers fees for bringing this mess on us all. And in the future, Governor Scott, Sanford officials, the State of Florida, and law enforcement will be able to point and say" we did everything you asked, Zimmerman was brought to trial and we are not responsible for the jury's decision" And then they can righteously stomp any further protests. Just speculation. I could be wrong. But how would you handle this poiwder keg if you were in charge?  Originally Posted By SGB:
Here's another ray of sunshine No one made the noon filing deadline for this fall's elections, so Angela Corey has earned another four years as the state attorney for the 4th Circuit.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 12:00:10 PM
I think playing Politics with a mans life is a low life thing to do.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 12:18:05 PM
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I think playing Politics with a mans life is a low life thing to do. Agreed.... That is what this nation has become! |
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Posted: 4/21/2012 1:57:26 PM
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I think playing Politics with a mans life is a low life thing to do. It's dispicable to put a man on trial by bending the law to suit a mob. |
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