Page:  / 15
Author
Message
Dogue
Part of the problem
Military
Offline
Posts: 2503
Feedback: 100% (7)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/5/2012 1:16:53 PM
We really need a law that would protect the citizens of FL from having to go through this when they use a firearm for self defense.
Μολὼν λαβέ

"That's a cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig."
MattLarson
Member
Offline
Posts: 571
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/5/2012 3:02:02 PM
This case is a great example of why reputable defensive instructors advise making a simple statement to the police along the lines of "There is the man who attacked me. I was in fear for my life and I defended myself. There is his weapon, there are the witnesses. I do not wish to make any further statements or answer any questions until I speak with my attorney". Then, STFU.

Zimmerman's talking after the fact provided a LOT of ammo for the prosecution, and if he had simply shut up, he'd be in a much better position, IMHO.

Of course, if he'd stayed in his vehicle, he'd be in an even better position, but that's another thread...
tac45
Member
Offline
Posts: 3058
Feedback: 100% (12)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/5/2012 3:52:50 PM
YUP! Good shoot...BAD handling of the aftermath. He took polygraphs, interviews etc. He was a classic example of not shutting the fuck up when needed!


Originally Posted By MattLarson:
This case is a great example of why reputable defensive instructors advise making a simple statement to the police along the lines of "There is the man who attacked me. I was in fear for my life and I defended myself. There is his weapon, there are the witnesses. I do not wish to make any further statements or answer any questions until I speak with my attorney". Then, STFU.

Zimmerman's talking after the fact provided a LOT of ammo for the prosecution, and if he had simply shut up, he'd be in a much better position, IMHO.

Of course, if he'd stayed in his vehicle, he'd be in an even better position, but that's another thread...


Accomplice1
Offline
Posts: 2462
Feedback: 100% (27)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/5/2012 7:23:03 PM
Where do we go to give $ for his defense?
SGB
Tallahassee
Instructor
Offline
Posts: 35271
Feedback: 100% (49)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/5/2012 9:53:15 PM

Originally Posted By Accomplice1:
Where do we go to give $ for his defense?

http://www.gzdefensefund.com/
"It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it"
Conched
Offline
Posts: 16
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 6:10:31 AM
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.
Cageylaw
Offline
Posts: 46
Feedback: 100% (7)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 7:59:45 AM
Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.


I could see a conviction of manslaughter, possibly. Hard to see second degree murder charge holding. For the red highlighted, it was good advice and definitely should had been followed but as far as I know it was not unlawful. As for the blue (this statement seems awful like "she was asking for it dressed that way" but I digress) assuming Zimmerman's account is true, then Martin moved to the aggressor role with the battery upon Zimmerman. You have to look at it as two parts. The first, the events leading up to the fight. The latter the decision to shoot. Removing the former and focusing on Zimmerman's account of the latter for a moment, is having someone near the physical prime of their life beating your head into the pavement while you're lying on your back in the street a justified use of force? Assuming the same events happened to another person, this time attacked in the street without provocation, with all other aspects of the encounter being identical... would the use of force be justified? Presumably yes. So then we cycle back to the former part of the Zimmerman encounter focusing on events up to the shooting. I can see manslaughter a possibility, I can't see more.

SGB
Tallahassee
Instructor
Offline
Posts: 35276
Feedback: 100% (49)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 8:50:28 AM
[Last Edit: 7/7/2012 8:51:38 AM by SGB]

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.
"It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it"
Islandson827
Member
Offline
Posts: 332
Feedback: 100% (66)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 8:55:04 AM
[Last Edit: 7/7/2012 9:02:03 AM by Islandson827]
Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.


I understand how you feel. Initially, after reading newspaper headlines and listening to the evening news, I felt the same way. And then I did a little research, and saw both sides of the problem. Seems like the consensus is GZ should have stayed in his car , or at least identified himself as part of the Neighborhood Watch. One thing for certain, he wasn't advised by police not to follow. Trayvon wasn't without his fault either. He should have just gone home, simple. He approached GZ's truck once, it isn't far fetched to believe he'd approach GZ again once he left his truck. But given the timeline of events, with TM running and how close his house was, he should have been home by the time GZ even stepped out of his truck. That wasn't the case... so who was looking for who? Two guys walking around in a neighborhood, both trying to watch the other, so how did it get physical? I don't see GZ starting the fight unless you consider questioning "what are you doing here?" fighting words. I think we've all seen the shady histories of both parties... So who is more likely to instigate? The wannabe cop, with an alleged history of shoving a cop and domestic violence... or the troubled youngster, caught with stolen jewelry, marijuana paraphernalia, and a YouTube video of running a playground fight... could be a toss up. But why would GZ start a fight knowing the cops are on the way? My guess is he wouldn't.
Cageylaw
Offline
Posts: 47
Feedback: 100% (7)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 9:28:10 AM
Originally Posted By Islandson827:
"what are you doing here?"


Hey! Dem's fightin' words.


I really would like to see this politically motivated abomination of a trial thrown out, but I just don't see it happening.
Banditman
Member
Offline
Posts: 10499
Feedback: 100% (3)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 10:01:12 AM
Please....Let's not turn this tread into the GD version. This has
been a real good thread to get news and info without wading through
150 pages of infighting.
Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
kat1950
Offline
Posts: 495
Feedback: 100% (23)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 1:26:41 PM
This whole situation shows me ONE thing and that is not to get involved whether armed or not, ever for anything, and if you do you will be either arrested or sued. Nothing is worth what Zimmerman is going through and i mean nothing.

Yes Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, and Yes Martin should have just gone home, and Yes Zimmerman did stop following and started to return to his car,and Yes Martin doubled back and started confrontation when he just should have went home, and YES he would still be alive today.

This is all BS and Zimmerman should have never been charged.

Just do not get involved.
SGB
Tallahassee
Instructor
Offline
Posts: 35288
Feedback: 100% (49)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 4:57:12 PM

"It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it"
Cageylaw
Offline
Posts: 49
Feedback: 100% (7)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/7/2012 9:31:38 PM
[Last Edit: 7/7/2012 9:54:06 PM by Cageylaw]
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Please....Let's not turn this tread into the GD version. This has
been a real good thread to get news and info without wading through
150 pages of infighting.


Wasn't trying to make it stray that way. I posted the image just to try to lighten up the mood after a bit of seriousness (that I'm not overly known for)
Conched
Offline
Posts: 17
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/10/2012 5:31:42 AM
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.
Miami02TJ
InstructorMilitary
Offline
Posts: 4284
Feedback: 100% (16)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/10/2012 7:16:54 AM
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


The police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop following Trayvon. It was a 911 operator, not a cop.

The law clearly says you can only respond to a threat with a reasonable amount of force. No matter if everything you say is true, responding to a guy following you, hell even chasing you, with lethal force is not allowed by law. If, and I mean IF because I don't buy it, Trayvon was 100% in the right till the confrontation, he passed reasonable force when he started banging Z's head in the ground. At that point Z's use of deadly force was legal.

No stop fucking drinking the media's cool aid and start doing some research on your own on case law, FL law, and the history of both involved.
America-first
Tired of all the bullshit
Online
Posts: 27933
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/10/2012 10:45:13 AM
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


I've personally followed suspicious individuals in my development from a respectable distance; it is perfectly legal to do so until the sheriff arrives.

Had they doubled back on me and assaulted me I might have well needed to defend myself with deadly force.

Trayvon was not "walking home"; I'm tired of all the made up nonsense people post regarding his matter.
No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.

AN EMPTY BARREL ALWAYS MAKES THE MOST NOISE.
SGB
Tallahassee
Instructor
Offline
Posts: 35296
Feedback: 100% (49)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/10/2012 5:11:47 PM
[Last Edit: 7/10/2012 5:13:10 PM by SGB]

Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.

So which is it? Were you wrong in the first post or the second?
"It's easier to avoid conflict than it is to survive it" - SGB
ReefRaider
Member
Offline
Posts: 5507
Feedback: 100% (193)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/10/2012 8:12:33 PM
[Last Edit: 7/10/2012 8:15:07 PM by ReefRaider]
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.



Lets get this straight.

#1 Z didn't call 911 . He called the non emergency phone # of the police.

#2 If someone was chasing me down and I was less than 70 yards from my front door ( which T was ). I would just go home. Why didn't T just go home to his daddy ?

#3 According to Zs story it was T that confronted Z not the other way around. There is NO evidence to prove other wise.

Follow this link if you really want to know the truth about the time line. OPed by O21

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/what_the_media_choose_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html

"There is a fine line between having balls and being a dumb ass" GB

"Machine Gunners - Accuracy By Volume"

Conched
Offline
Posts: 18
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 6:47:08 AM
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.




Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.



Lets get this straight.

#1 Z didn't call 911 . He called the non emergency phone # of the police.

#2 If someone was chasing me down and I was less than 70 yards from my front door ( which T was ). I would just go home. Why didn't T just go home to his daddy ?

#3 According to Zs story it was T that confronted Z not the other way around. There is NO evidence to prove other wise.

Follow this link if you really want to know the truth about the time line. OPed by O21

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/what_the_media_choose_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html



Your comments are no less full of conjecture than mine. Splitting hairs here between non emergency vs. 911 call, it was the police department, or is that still too vague. Problem with Z;s story is that it is just his side of the story, kind of a one sided story, we are all entitled to our opinions here, so I will exit this thread by stating that GZ needs to sit on a trial and the jury can decide his guilt or innocence.

GZ could have saved himself, his wife and family and Trayvon's famaliy allot of pain if he had just waited for the police to show up and do their job.
Conched
Offline
Posts: 19
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 6:48:30 AM
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.

So which is it? Were you wrong in the first post or the second?

I went back and listened to the call, I beleiee my statement was more accurate on second post.
Conched
Offline
Posts: 20
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 6:57:29 AM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


I've personally followed suspicious individuals in my development from a respectable distance; it is perfectly legal to do so until the sheriff arrives.

Had they doubled back on me and assaulted me I might have well needed to defend myself with deadly force.

Trayvon was not "walking home"; I'm tired of all the made up nonsense people post regarding his matter.


I never said it was illegal to follow somebody. I have no doubt you would have considered using deadly force to defend yourself, as would I if necessary.

T was on the way home walking or running is irrelevant, not illegal to do either.

This is a classic example of GZ version of the story vs. T's, problem being T has nobody to represent his side of the story.

If you are tired of reading all the nonsense perhaps you should engage in a less fatiguing hobby other than reading posts on the internet, or am I taking your post too literally ?

We are all entitled to our opinions here, I have no interest in changing your mind or anybody elses for that matter and i do respect the opinions of all that decide to post on this matter whether i agree or not.
Conched
Offline
Posts: 21
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 7:02:48 AM
Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


The police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop following Trayvon. It was a 911 operator, not a cop. This makes no sense

The law clearly says you can only respond to a threat with a reasonable amount of force. No matter if everything you say is true, responding to a guy following you, hell even chasing you, with lethal force is not allowed by law. If, and I mean IF because I don't buy it, Trayvon was 100% in the right till the confrontation, he passed reasonable force when he started banging Z's head in the ground. At that point Z's use of deadly force was legal.

No stop fucking drinking the media's cool aid and start doing some research on your own on case law, FL law, and the history of both involved.
Curious, are you a lawyer ?

Miami02TJ
InstructorMilitary
Offline
Posts: 4288
Feedback: 100% (16)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 7:12:55 AM
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By Miami02TJ:
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


The police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop following Trayvon. It was a 911 operator, not a cop. This makes no sense

The law clearly says you can only respond to a threat with a reasonable amount of force. No matter if everything you say is true, responding to a guy following you, hell even chasing you, with lethal force is not allowed by law. If, and I mean IF because I don't buy it, Trayvon was 100% in the right till the confrontation, he passed reasonable force when he started banging Z's head in the ground. At that point Z's use of deadly force was legal.

No stop fucking drinking the media's cool aid and start doing some research on your own on case law, FL law, and the history of both involved.
Curious, are you a lawyer ?



I don't understand what is so difficult. They are not sworn officers and have no power of arrest. They are operators not cops. There is no FL law requiring a caller to follow the commands of an 911 operator.

Now instead of trying to see if I'm an attorney or not why don't you reply to my comments on how FL law deals with reasonable force, escalation of force, and deadly force. There is no need for a legal diploma for that, just some good of fashioned intelligence and due diligence.
America-first
Tired of all the bullshit
Online
Posts: 27945
Feedback: 0% (0)
Link To This Post
Posted: 7/11/2012 8:28:53 AM
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By Conched:
Originally Posted By SGB:

Originally Posted By Conched:
I don't mind being the first to say Zimmerman needs to sit on a trial. This guy killed a young man, period. I do not see this a a self defense case in any capacity. Zimmerman was on the phone with police and was advised not to follow Trayvon. Zimmerman put himself in harms way, and Trayvon paid the price. There was no crime being committed when Zimmerman decided to follow Trayvon. Here is the 911 call, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj7qEcD8R-8

Zimmerman gives a bad name for those of us who are law abiding gun toting citizens. I would not be suprised if , once all the facts come out in court, Zimmerman gets convicted of murder.

It amazes me that people continue to parrot inaccurate information.


The police asked Zimmerman if he was following Trayvon and told him they did not need him to do that. At one point in the call Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman. Maybe Trayvon was the one acting in self defense. Put yourself in Trayvon's shoes, what would you do if somebody was following you as you were walking home.

Zimmerman acted responsibly when he called the police, by continuing to follow Trayvon he crossed the line, he is not a cop, not his job. Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid a confrontation and by choosing to follow Trayvon he ends up killing Trayvon. I wonder if Zimmerman would have continued to follow Trayvon or even confront him at all if he was not carrying.


I've personally followed suspicious individuals in my development from a respectable distance; it is perfectly legal to do so until the sheriff arrives.

Had they doubled back on me and assaulted me I might have well needed to defend myself with deadly force.

Trayvon was not "walking home"; I'm tired of all the made up nonsense people post regarding his matter.


I never said it was illegal to follow somebody. I have no doubt you would have considered using deadly force to defend yourself, as would I if necessary.

T was on the way home walking or running is irrelevant, not illegal to do either.

This is a classic example of GZ version of the story vs. T's, problem being T has nobody to represent his side of the story.

If you are tired of reading all the nonsense perhaps you should engage in a less fatiguing hobby other than reading posts on the internet, or am I taking your post too literally ?

We are all entitled to our opinions here, I have no interest in changing your mind or anybody elses for that matter and i do respect the opinions of all that decide to post on this matter whether i agree or not.


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not all opinions are to be taken as being of value, especially those of a individual who is promulgating false information, whether intentionally or not.

There's no "problem being T has nobody to represent his side of the story".

In a defensive shooting it is often the case that the assailant is dead and therefore, a determination of the facts of the case is made by examining the evidence and testimony of others.

Neither "side of the story" is important, only the facts as determined by the EVIDENCE and whether or not the shooting was permitted UNDER THE LAWS of our state.

If a shooting is good, as determined by the evidence, a never ending, ongoing, investigation is NOT called for under the laws of our state, and neither is a trial or even an arrest required in order to satisfy the morbid curiosity as may be displayed by uninvolved members of the public.

I'm tired of all the bullshit.
No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.

AN EMPTY BARREL ALWAYS MAKES THE MOST NOISE.
Page:  / 15