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Posted: 2/22/2012 8:33:24 AM
Originally Posted By ALAN308:
Originally Posted By America-first:
What about legitimate CCW of a loaded handgun that will neither be shot at the range, nor leave its concealed holster? You guys, ccw, come on. What is so wrong with BASIC COMMON SENCE. What do you not understand about Cold Range/ You want to sue someone because you are too wound up in percieved self importance with your carry permit. You cannot understand procedure, safety first, Rules... Juviniles should not play with guns. Bottom line. I'm out. Speaking of self importance.... You cannot keep someone from having their legal concealed carry weapon as long as it stays concealed. Every gun store in my area has signs that say NO LOADED WEAPONS! (concealed carry permitted). It stems from people bringing in weapons to sell then shooting them self in the hand(literally happened). I sure as hell won't go to the range without my CC safely tucked away. Hell you're legally allowed to open carry "while engaged in, or going directly to and from, lawful Target Shooting, Hunting, Fishing, and Camping expeditions." You do open carry as an RO right? Where's all of the cold line B.S. then? Let me guess you're the only one professional enough to handle this here Glock fotay? |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:29:27 AM
This thread is fail.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:33:16 AM
[Last Edit: 2/22/2012 9:40:51 AM by fuzzy03cls]
OP, Go to the Florida carry website. Send them an email with what happened to you & see if they would investigate if Markham is indeed breaking the preemption laws.
I'm not sure if they are public or private anymore. If they are private then it's the same as any other business. They can ask you to leave for breaking their rules. I had this happen the 1st time I went to Markham too. I had a round chambered. The guy saw it pop out. But he was nice enough to still let me shoot. Of course they have been a few "incidents" since that time so they may have gotten more strict. I'm an RSO & interviewed for a part time position there a few years ago. They are pretty much tied by legal issues for the rules they told me. Only time I go to Markham is to zero a rifle. Now after that....I have to agree there are no loaded firearms on a cold line. Your gun while in the bag should have been cleared before hand. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 10:29:43 AM
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Originally Posted By ALAN308:
Originally Posted By America-first:
What about legitimate CCW of a loaded handgun that will neither be shot at the range, nor leave its concealed holster? You guys, ccw, come on. What is so wrong with BASIC COMMON SENCE. What do you not understand about Cold Range/ You want to sue someone because you are too wound up in percieved self importance with your carry permit. You cannot understand procedure, safety first, Rules... Juviniles should not play with guns. Bottom line. I'm out. Talk about arrogant, percieved self important drivel. Adios. Don't let the door hit you where the lord split you.  |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 1:07:16 PM
Originally Posted By ALAN308: Originally Posted By America-first: What about legitimate CCW of a loaded handgun that will neither be shot at the range, nor leave its concealed holster? You guys, ccw, come on. What is so wrong with BASIC COMMON SENCE. What do you not understand about Cold Range/ You want to sue someone because you are too wound up in percieved self importance with your carry permit. You cannot understand procedure, safety first, Rules... Juviniles should not play with guns. Bottom line. I'm out. The Key word is common sense.... Common sense would tell you that a loaded CCW in a holster is totally harmless. Untouched and left in the holster the whole time is no threat to anyone just the same way it would be when carried on the street. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 4:18:56 PM
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Posted: 2/22/2012 4:30:55 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By RevolverRO:
OP, there are THIRTEEN signs from the gate at the entrance to the range, all the way up to the door of the rifle range lobby that say in no uncertain terms, "NO LOADED FIREARMS". On the door to the lobby is a red stop sign THREE FUCKING FEET HIGH that says in big white letters "if you bring a loaded gun into the range you will not be allowed to shoot". The cashier asks every customer if "all guns are unloaded, magazines removed". When you go to the gate to enter the firing line, the first thing the RO says to you is "are all guns unloaded"? You enter on a cold line, all guns on a cold line are to be unloaded, actions open, magazines removed. Somewhere along the line, you failed basic comprehension. Did I mention the part where you walked past THIRTEEN signs ? Guess they were for EVERYONE ELSE because you're special. I checked with a Markham RO last night, personal firearms legally CC'd and NOT being shot/remaining in holster, concealed, is allowed. Sorry, OP, didn't mean to be rude. Yes, I am a former RO. I don't work there any more, although let me make it clear, I LOVED working there, I didn't 'hate' the customers, far from it, and I would like to think if you ask the regular customers who knew me they'd say I was polite and did my job in a professional manner. Would I get a little loud if someone pointed a loaded gun at me ? Yeah. You can only say "Sir, point the gun in a safe direction!" so many times. Most folks follow the rules. Some forget. Others ( and I sincerely apologize for implying this in my first post) ignore the rules. I have had people pull out loaded guns and sweep the line, even had a guy pick up a gun from the case and dry-fire it into my abdomen when I asked "Sir, are your guns unloaded?". (He pointed the gun at me and snapped the trigger, then smirked. "Does that answer your question?") I moved out of state and left that job. Itpains me to hear of one infamous RO who still drives droves of customers away with his snide behavior. (Thank you, unions). There were many absolutely chilling moments over the years when a range patron would pull an absolutely dangerous stunt, but that was a small percentage of the thousands of customers that passed through Markham. I liked shooting there before I became an RO, and I still think it's a great range. Yeah, there are some pretty strict rules. Like someone said earlier, you have to cater to the lowest common denominator, and unfortunately there can be some pretty stupid unsafe shooters out there, people who think the "NRA safety rules" are optional, the type who think horseplay with a gun is okay. Sorry for running on like this. I was rude when I dumped on you and for that, I apologize. ...and I'm done. What about legitimate CCW of a loaded handgun that will neither be shot at the range, nor leave its concealed holster? |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 7:16:48 PM
That sure is some funny sheot right there. 
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Posted: 2/22/2012 8:34:59 PM
Originally Posted By LoCapitano:
HAHAH WOW, I didn't think I could stir up every asshole in this forum when I wrote that... Not surprised though, this is why this forum is bad mouthed in other places. ALAN308 Lets start off by saying I am not a Mall Ninja by any means. Theres a point a person stops being "Safe" and just turns into an asshole like when they are walking in the room saying that they wish people would stop coming to the range which I over heard one of the RO's say. Thats just bad business... They have a job because people want to go shoot. They should remember to appreciate the customer. Secondly, The range was hot when I arrived. Meaning people to my left and right were actively shooting. So pulling a gun out of the bag that was hot did not put anyone "Downrange" in danger because there was no one downrange! Lastly before you assume that someone is a "Mall Ninja" how about some manners and common fucking courtesy!? About me though.... I'm a former Marine, and I know it doesnt stand for much but I am also a security guard currently performing limited executive protection. I have owned weapons correctly handled them since I was a child and have never had a ND or AD. ZIP196, I understand I broke the rules and suffered the consequences. I guess common sense escaped me because when I saw a sign that said no loaded weapons I thought they meant out or on you such as concealed. I was also baffled by the "No more then 1 shot every 5 seconds rule" Reaver, As I said to zip, Agreed. Better safe than sorry. RevolverRO, Please start by reading what I wrote to ZIP... Now, Obviously by your name you're a RO... I'd even go off on a limb to guessing you work at Markham... First I am sorry that you hate your job... But being miserable in life in no reason to forget the manners I am hoping your mother had good sense to teach you... If she didn't teach you any then I am sorry you are failing in life and that all you can make of your life is working at a range that everyone talks smack about. Just to clarify though.... Cashier never asked if guns were unloaded and magazines removed, When I got to the gate the line was hot and all the RO asked was if all four of us were together, and as I said... The line was hot when I walked up. P712k and Irag2362 Thank you for your responses. I accept that I was wrong but mostly I appreciate you guys having proper manners in your response.. Apparently not everyone can do that. If a MOD feels that my response is "Outrageous" or uncalled for just let me know... I can delete it/the tread or simply remove my self... Thank you to all who responded You're blaming everyone but yourself for this. Don't break the rule. That range caters to everyone from Riviera Beach, Hialeah, and a few other choice locations. I can't argue with any of their rules. I've seen the ADs. Go back and don't do the same thing again. |
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Posted: 2/22/2012 10:18:36 PM
another asshole checking in!
seriously, you wouldn't of had any problems if it wasn't loaded when you came to the line. regardless of your background or training, at a public range you are just another shooter that must obey the safety rules for your own good and those around you. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 11:50:43 AM
Originally Posted By Zip196:
Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist!  QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 12:18:33 PM
Originally Posted By sigp226:
Originally Posted By LoCapitano:
HAHAH WOW, I didn't think I could stir up every asshole in this forum when I wrote that... Not surprised though, this is why this forum is bad mouthed in other places. ALAN308 Lets start off by saying I am not a Mall Ninja by any means. Theres a point a person stops being "Safe" and just turns into an asshole like when they are walking in the room saying that they wish people would stop coming to the range which I over heard one of the RO's say. Thats just bad business... They have a job because people want to go shoot. They should remember to appreciate the customer. Secondly, The range was hot when I arrived. Meaning people to my left and right were actively shooting. So pulling a gun out of the bag that was hot did not put anyone "Downrange" in danger because there was no one downrange! Lastly before you assume that someone is a "Mall Ninja" how about some manners and common fucking courtesy!? About me though.... I'm a former Marine, and I know it doesnt stand for much but I am also a security guard currently performing limited executive protection. I have owned weapons correctly handled them since I was a child and have never had a ND or AD. ZIP196, I understand I broke the rules and suffered the consequences. I guess common sense escaped me because when I saw a sign that said no loaded weapons I thought they meant out or on you such as concealed. I was also baffled by the "No more then 1 shot every 5 seconds rule" Reaver, As I said to zip, Agreed. Better safe than sorry. RevolverRO, Please start by reading what I wrote to ZIP... Now, Obviously by your name you're a RO... I'd even go off on a limb to guessing you work at Markham... First I am sorry that you hate your job... But being miserable in life in no reason to forget the manners I am hoping your mother had good sense to teach you... If she didn't teach you any then I am sorry you are failing in life and that all you can make of your life is working at a range that everyone talks smack about. Just to clarify though.... Cashier never asked if guns were unloaded and magazines removed, When I got to the gate the line was hot and all the RO asked was if all four of us were together, and as I said... The line was hot when I walked up. P712k and Irag2362 Thank you for your responses. I accept that I was wrong but mostly I appreciate you guys having proper manners in your response.. Apparently not everyone can do that. If a MOD feels that my response is "Outrageous" or uncalled for just let me know... I can delete it/the tread or simply remove my self... Thank you to all who responded You're blaming everyone but yourself for this. Don't break the rule. That range caters to everyone from Riviera Beach, Hialeah, and a few other choice locations. I can't argue with any of their rules. I've seen the ADs. Go back and don't do the same thing again. Sig, I think you might have missed my reply after that one.... Originally Posted By LoCapitano:
Reefraider, I agree that I was in the wrong... If I go back I can promise you that there will be no magazines or rounds in my weapons. I guess where I was most annoyed was the fact that there was no leniency... If I were a RO and saw a person that unloaded/cleared a firearm, locked the bolt to the rear and handed me the gun. I think I would give them a warning of the infraction and explain that next time it would not be tolerated. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 3:50:29 PM
Look, I pretty much hate Markum Park and avoid that place like the black plague. I do not like some of the RO's and some of their rules are so stupid that they annoy the hell out of me.
That being said, they have to serve the lowest common denominator. They have wannabe gang-bangers thinking their SKS is a gangster weapon. They have mall ninjas preparing for the day they finally get the girl. And they have the once a lifetime shooters that don't know which end to hold and which end to pick their nose with.... All of this is ANOTHER reason I avoid the place. But simply put, you screwed up on a well publicized rule. Yes, I personally think that the rule is stupid for a person who is not an idiot.... But ask 100 idiots if they are an idiot and at least half will say they are not (25 will not have understood the question, 10 will say the wrong thing, 10 will answer correctly but think they said the other answer, and 5 will just stare at you like you spoke Spanish in Hebrew). So they have to treat EVERYONE like they are an idiot even if you happen to be a Delta guy on holiday and want to take your team six buddy to the range (where, BTW I am sure you will find the littlest reserve SEAL that is an RO there you have ever met. BTW..... ANOTHER reason I avoid the place like the plague). But the fact is that all the morons that do shoot there are just one stupid move from drilling an innocent person (Yep, another reason I avoid the place). So it is their rules, and you violated them...... Personally, I'd never go back. But if you go back, follow the rules. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 3:58:21 PM
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Zip196:
Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:45:36 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. Concealed is concealed. But I like to shoot my carry piece as often as possible. So I unload in the truck before entering the office and reload once back in the truck. |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 7:33:24 PM
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Zip196:
Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. You do realize there are lots of morons out there that DO pull out their CCW. Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to get covered by their muzzle.. How will you feel about people CCW on the firing line then ? If someone you knew got shot like that would you still feel the same way ?? When I go to the range as a shooter. If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !! 
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Posted: 2/23/2012 7:40:58 PM
Originally Posted By ReefRaider: Originally Posted By America-first: Originally Posted By TailHunter: Originally Posted By Zip196: Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. You do realize there are lots of morons out there that DO pull out their CCW. Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to get covered by their muzzle.. How will you feel about people CCW on the firing line then ? If someone you knew got shot like that would you still feel the same way ?? When I go to the range as a shooter. If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !! You do realize that this happens much more with people that carried unloaded firearms in the range than with people that CCW in the the place. You do realize that there are criminals that will rob you anywhere? How about on the way from the parking lot to the range or from the range back to your vehicle? |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 8:06:07 PM
Originally Posted By Banditman:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Zip196:
Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. You do realize there are lots of morons out there that DO pull out their CCW. Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to get covered by their muzzle.. How will you feel about people CCW on the firing line then ? If someone you knew got shot like that would you still feel the same way ?? When I go to the range as a shooter. If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !!
You do realize that this happens much more with people that carried unloaded firearms in the range than with people that CCW in the the place. Do you have any proff of this ? You do realize that there are criminals that will rob you anywhere? How about on the way from the parking lot to the range or from the range back to your vehicle? Is there an echo in here Like I said find another range . I'm out I'll be back another day 
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Posted: 2/23/2012 8:09:25 PM
Originally Posted By ReefRaider: Originally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By ReefRaider: Originally Posted By America-first: Originally Posted By TailHunter: Originally Posted By Zip196: Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. You do realize there are lots of morons out there that DO pull out their CCW. Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to get covered by their muzzle.. How will you feel about people CCW on the firing line then ? If someone you knew got shot like that would you still feel the same way ?? When I go to the range as a shooter. If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !! You do realize that this happens much more with people that carried unloaded firearms in the range than with people that CCW in the the place. Do you have any proff of this ? You do realize that there are criminals that will rob you anywhere? How about on the way from the parking lot to the range or from the range back to your vehicle? Is there an echo in here Like I said find another range . I'm out I'll be back another day It is common sense. You honestly think people that CCW will muzzle sweep people more than the average person? |
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Posted: 2/23/2012 11:23:57 PM
I've been muzzle swept by so many fucking people who never were around firearms until they got in the military during live fire training exercises and I'll be honest as bad as this sounds I don't give a damn anymore.
This goes back to my time in college and specifically aviation safety. The class instructor had a long class about how too much safety is bad. That's right despite what others may tell you that you can never be too safe they are WRONG! Why is this you ask? Safety is important but it is equally important to understand you CANNOT no matter what you do, what kind of controls you implement, or what measures you take prevent ever accident. Over regulation and too much safety HINDERS operations or activities (fill in the blank or whatever). How so? It doesn't allow people to perform effectively because they don't have the freedom necessary to properly execute whatever task they are doing. Instead they are forced to constantly look over their shoulders to ensure they don't get in trouble because every course of action they take is dictated and spelled out without any real room to carry it out in a manner that is efficient and effective. Here's an example of good safety. In the military with firearms training during basic you get many people who have never been around or handled a firearm at all during their lives. Suddenly they are thrown into the training, briefed about safety for every event, then a dry run with no ammunition is done followed by a run with blanks and then live ammo. Simple as that here is the safety precautions then 1, 2 ,3 and your done with that specific block and move on to the next one. You would expect people who have never been around firearms to be having tons of safety violations but you would be surprised. Everyone gets through it and if anyone is being too unsafe they are pulled by a SGT warned and given a description of what they did wrong. If they fuck up again they are out for the rest of the day. Let this be a little food for thought. Evil |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 6:29:10 AM
[Last Edit: 2/24/2012 6:42:51 AM by America-first]
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By America-first:
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Zip196:
Sucks. Happened to me. It is clearly written in their rules on the wall. Also online. Rules is rules. That's what happens at a county run range. If you drove 45 minutes to get there, I am sure there are better options. Trail Glades for one. Maybe if you would have spent 5 minutes of the 2 hours you waited reading the rules, this thread would not even exist! QFT - their range rules their rules. I always unload my carry gun before going into markham range office. CCW is allowed there so long as you don't intend to shoot or withdraw your carry gun from its holster; it's not their range, it's owned by Broward County and needs to adhere to the state concealed weapons statutes. Bona- fide range safety rules are another story and need to be adhered to. You do realize there are lots of morons out there that DO pull out their CCW. Maybe one day you'll be lucky enough to get covered by their muzzle.. How will you feel about people CCW on the firing line then ? If someone you knew got shot like that would you still feel the same way ?? When I go to the range as a shooter. If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !!
You do realize that whether or not I choose to disarm myself does not protect me from the stupid , careless, or intentional actions of others. Regardless of how you or I " feel". If I believed that I would need to call on my CCW on any particular day; I would stay at home and lock the doors. I go to public ranges at least once a week and if I were afraid to be shot at one of them by an American who was excersising his or her right to carry a gun, I wouldn't go. I'd probably send money to the Brady Campaign instead. So far as "finding another range"; that's what I do when a range doesn't allow CCW........I find one that does and patronize it. . |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 10:13:22 AM
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !!
Yet in this very thread you gloated that RO's are allowed to be armed...... Funny. |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 12:49:40 PM
Originally Posted By SSMdive:
Look, I pretty much hate Markum Park and avoid that place like the black plague. I do not like some of the RO's and some of their rules are so stupid that they annoy the hell out of me. That being said, they have to serve the lowest common denominator. They have wannabe gang-bangers thinking their SKS is a gangster weapon. They have mall ninjas preparing for the day they finally get the girl. And they have the once a lifetime shooters that don't know which end to hold and which end to pick their nose with.... All of this is ANOTHER reason I avoid the place. But simply put, you screwed up on a well publicized rule. Yes, I personally think that the rule is stupid for a person who is not an idiot.... But ask 100 idiots if they are an idiot and at least half will say they are not (25 will not have understood the question, 10 will say the wrong thing, 10 will answer correctly but think they said the other answer, and 5 will just stare at you like you spoke Spanish in Hebrew). So they have to treat EVERYONE like they are an idiot even if you happen to be a Delta guy on holiday and want to take your team six buddy to the range (where, BTW I am sure you will find the littlest reserve SEAL that is an RO there you have ever met. BTW..... ANOTHER reason I avoid the place like the plague). But the fact is that all the morons that do shoot there are just one stupid move from drilling an innocent person (Yep, another reason I avoid the place). So it is their rules, and you violated them...... Personally, I'd never go back. But if you go back, follow the rules. This was a good read!! lol |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 7:22:02 PM
Visited Markham this afternoon to get a little trigger time...
To add a little bit if factuality to this thread... there is an octaginal red sign (like a STOP sign) outside the front door that is about 2 to 3 feet in diameter... it has white lettering and includes the message: "Notice To All Shooters ALL FIREARMS TO BE USED AT THE RANGE MUST BE UNLOADED UPON ENTRY". No mention is made of CCW anything... I have a photo of it in my phone and can't get it out to my computer (technofail!)!!! ...carry on... |
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Posted: 2/24/2012 7:31:56 PM
Originally Posted By SSMdive:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
If I felt I needed to be more armed than the guns I have right in front of me. I would find another range !!
Yet in this very thread you gloated that RO's are allowed to be armed...... Funny. Markham RO's aren't armed. Broward County employees may not carry weapons of any type, at any time, on company property. Some years back a lawyer-type lady from county risk management proposed that in her opinion, RO's couldn't even handle a range customer's firearm without violating county policy. In fact, according to broward county's 'anti workplace violence' policy, an RO could technically be in violation for coming to the range as a paying customer on our day off to shoot privately owned firearms. County policy forbids employees from bringing a weapon onto any company property, on or off the clock. |
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