If Markham is a public range then yes, they are in the wrong, I would start with sending them a certified letter with a copy of the relevant statutes. If they tell you to fuck off you could get legal on them.

Cold Range.
See the thread farther down entitled "omg, spot the fail'
DON'T be that guy. And if you are, don't advertise it.
Most of all, enough with the tantrum. At least you havent hurt anyone yet.
The RO's have to process a lot of people and try to keep everyone safe. A hot gun is cause for concern and expulsion.

Didn't a cop get shot in the gut with a rifle round this weekend at Markham?

I wonder where the "law" ends and "safety regulations" begin at a county owned shooting range?

My guess is that if someone CCWs and doesn't remove his loaded gun from its holster, then applying the "no loaded gun can be brought onto the range" regulation might be contrary to the state law.

But if you bring in a gun that you intend to shoot, and it is loaded, then the range safety rules do apply.

As I said; I'm only speculating.

I don't see a "range safety" exception written into the law.

You too need to review the video refered to above.
eta;
Don't shoot your mom. Shes on the other side of your bedroom wall.

HAHAH WOW, I didn't think I could stir up every in this forum when I wrote that... Not surprised though, this is why this forum is bad mouthed in other places.


ALAN308 Lets start off by saying I am not a Mall Ninja by any means. Theres a point a person stops being "Safe" and just turns into an asshole like when they are walking in the room saying that they wish people would stop coming to the range which I over heard one of the RO's say. Thats just bad business... They have a job because people want to go shoot. They should remember to appreciate the customer.

Secondly, The range was hot when I arrived. Meaning people to my left and right were actively shooting. So pulling a gun out of the bag that was hot did not put anyone "Downrange" in danger because there was no one downrange!

Lastly before you assume that someone is a "Mall Ninja" how about some manners and common fucking courtesy!? About me though.... I'm a former Marine, and I know it doesnt stand for much but I am also a security guard currently performing limited executive protection. I have owned weapons correctly handled them since I was a child and have never had a ND or AD.

ZIP196, I understand I broke the rules and suffered the consequences. I guess common sense escaped me because when I saw a sign that said no loaded weapons I thought they meant out or on you such as concealed. I was also baffled by the "No more then 1 shot every 5 seconds rule"

Reaver, As I said to zip, Agreed. Better safe than sorry.

RevolverRO, Please start by reading what I wrote to ZIP... Now, Obviously by your name you're a RO... I'd even go off on a limb to guessing you work at Markham... First I am sorry that you hate your job... But being miserable in life in no reason to forget the manners I am hoping your mother had good sense to teach you... If she didn't teach you any then I am sorry you are failing in life and that all you can make of your life is working at a range that everyone talks smack about.

Just to clarify though.... Cashier never asked if guns were unloaded and magazines removed, When I got to the gate the line was hot and all the RO asked was if all four of us were together, and as I said... The line was hot when I walked up.

P712k and Irag2362 Thank you for your responses. I accept that I was wrong but mostly I appreciate you guys having proper manners in your response.. Apparently not everyone can do that.




If a MOD feels that my response is "Outrageous" or uncalled for just let me know... I can delete it/the tread or simply remove my self...

Thank you to all who responded

Conduct Code

6.) Attacking or insulting a person in an effort to elicit a negative response. You have a right to disagree, but please do so in a respectful manner.

Well thanks for your honorable service to this Great Nation.

The point of NO ONE ( ROs being the exception ) bringing a loaded weapon on to the firing line whether the line is hot or not Is for every ones safety including yours. How would you feel if the guy in the next lane was to remove a loaded gun from a case and end up shooting you or a member of your group ?

I would think you have been to enough ranges to know that though.

I think explination would be redundant as you seem to grasp the points made here.
Asking if they were in the wrong, your first post, was a bit over the top. And no, you were not the R.O.
You could be though. Take a course.

OP, as much as I want to agree with you, I'm going to agree with most of the others, you should have never handed that guy a weapon with a round in the chamber. I don't think you should ever have a round in the chamber until you're ready to shoot it. You're lucky its a RO, and not my drill seargent; that guy would have f*cked you up.

He cleared the gun before handing it over to the RO. JSYK

ReefRaider - when it happened to me they gave me a raincheck. The RO was very apologetic about it and we were some of the first ones on the line. He asked if I was LEO (because they can be loaded) and stated he would have to see a badge or ID. Their house their rules.

OP - That is why I make the drive up to Okeechobee Shooting Sports and shoot the galleries. WELL worth the trip. IM me and I will fill you in.

You guys, ccw, come on.
What is so wrong with BASIC COMMON SENCE.
What do you not understand about Cold Range/

You want to sue someone because you are too wound up in percieved self importance with your carry permit.
You cannot understand procedure, safety first, Rules...
Juviniles should not play with guns. Bottom line.
I'm out.