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Posted: 12/13/2009 10:36:08 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT http://www.leupold.com/corporate/resources/counterfeit-warning/ Counterfeit Leupold Riflescope WarningLeupold® is issuing a customer alert to purchasers of products, particularly via Internet sales, in regards to bogus Leupold products that are apparently being illegally imported from the People's Republic of China. These products bear many of the marks and trade dress of current Leupold & Stevens riflescopes making them very hard to distinguish externally from authentic Leupold products. In recent months, counterfeited Leupold Mark 4® riflescopes have begun to arrive with increasing regularity at the firm's Beaverton, Oregon, headquarters for service. These products are not manufactured by Leupold and are not covered by the Leupold Full Lifetime Guarantee. Leupold employs serial number tracking for all its riflescopes, so if a customer finds a scope that is suspect, he or she can simply write down the serial number and call 1-800-LEUPOLD to confirm if it is indeed authentic. In general, most of the scopes appear to originate from Hong Kong (People's Republic of China), and have "Leupold Mark 4" laser engraved on the bottom of the turret in a silver etch, while the black ring on the objective is etched in white and does not include the name "Leupold." The scopes also do not bear the Leupold medallion, a mark all Leupold scopes will always possess. An authentic Mark 4 riflescope will always be engraved black on black and have the name "Leupold" engraved on the black ring. |
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Posted: 1/27/2010 12:02:03 AM
I just reported 2 auction from a seller in NY with some crap in his listing about copy right protection, while selling Chinese counterfeit Leupolds.
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Posted: 1/27/2010 12:50:14 AM
did they fix they tint in the glass at least?
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Posted: 1/29/2010 11:32:22 AM
This auction looks suspicious to me. What does everyone think?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=740725 |
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Posted: 2/2/2010 2:31:42 AM
[Last Edit: 2/4/2010 10:17:10 AM by bw762308]
It is real.
A Leupold rep confirmed to me via email that the fix powered Mark 4 scopes are the only Mark 4's that do not have the engraving on the objective lockring or the emblems on the side focus, because of prior military contracts. They will be updating their website with this exception sometime in the future. In the meantime all you have to do is call Leupold to confirm this. Simple as that. |
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Posted: 2/3/2010 2:05:56 PM
Originally Posted By Rocksarge:
did they fix they tint in the glass at least? BACK on Topic... I reported 7 more fakes, all clearly marked as such while using the Leupold name, on Ebay yesterday. I sure hope that Leupold gets on them about this. Shame on anyone who buys this stuff. We are loosing jobs in this country right and left. Chinese companies knocking off the quality stuff still made here and the US importers are flat out wrong. |
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Posted: 2/7/2010 10:23:19 AM
on a related note:
Did anyone else notice the ever increasing presence of “imported” optics (and many other items) at this year's SHOT Show. Seems like every row had a booth.  |
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Posted: 2/7/2010 5:28:35 PM
I'm confused.
I just searched Leupold. I've lost track of how many times I've seen it stated that Leupold is out sourcing work to China themselves. Is this true? |
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Posted: 2/9/2010 4:56:21 PM
Lots of companies are doing.. don't know if Leupold is doing it. FYI China does make quality stuff if someone wants to invest the $$$ into it. I just wish they would stop copying products which is known to be resold as the real thing.
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Posted: 2/19/2010 2:03:42 PM
There were two on Craigs list from Rome, NY about six weeks ago.
e-mailed the guy and he pulled the ad....proably re-listed them by now. |
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Posted: 3/5/2010 12:01:30 AM
Originally Posted By GunCat:
on a related note: Did anyone else notice the ever increasing presence of “imported” optics (and many other items) at this year's SHOT Show. Seems like every row had a booth. I saw two seperate china men taking up close detailed pics of battle sights and other stuff. We promptly informed the reps at the company and they ran them out pretty quickly. Also heard a story of a guy pulling out some dudes film. He was using film hoping that if he got caught, people would let him slide because they felt bad about ruining his film. Heck no, they ripped that crap out. |
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Posted: 3/5/2010 5:27:03 PM
[Last Edit: 3/5/2010 5:28:38 PM by Shung]
I think I own one of these... you can see it's not a leupold just by looking below the turrets.. (it hadnt the Leupold markings though)
The optic works as it should be working, but I wouldnt use it in a danger situation. |
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Posted: 3/10/2010 7:23:35 PM
While you're at it, be very careful about buying a good deal on a large memory stick online/eBay. There's a rash of fake sticks for sale out there all of a sudden. They are selling 64 and 128 GB memory sticks for $30-$50. You put it into your computer, and it says it's 64 GB. You format it, and it formats it like it's a 64 GB. You put data on on it - it works. So must be legit, right?
You put more than 2 GB of data on it, and everything beyond that will be corrupted. Because they're 2 GB memory sticks that have been rewired to say that they are 64 GB. Pretty cleaver, I didn't even know you can do that. So guess who got taken 
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Posted: 4/18/2010 6:44:06 PM
[Last Edit: 4/18/2010 6:45:21 PM by matrxxgun]
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 4:23:37 AM
Originally Posted By matrxxgun:
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon. I wouldn't go that far and say that all of China should be consider a thieves.. I would check your facts before you really say what you said. Unfortunately China does do produce a lot if clones for the sellers who try to cheat people out of their hard earned money.  |
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Posted: 5/2/2010 8:03:12 AM
Originally Posted By matrxxgun:
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon. hey Texas, I would do a bit more research before assuming that China is necessarily wrong, they are just doing the work asked of them by Craftsman, etc. If a local business around you had their workers go on strike, would you get pissed off at the temporary workers since they didn't complain and just did their job, maybe even your job? They have a family to support to. In order to gain a competitive/comparative advantage in todays marketplace, companies are looking to outsource their work to other countries for a lower cost. Americans want to live the American dream...whether they can afford it or not, the big brother government will support them if they are insulted at the wages that US based companies are paying Chinese workers or Americans will take out more debt then they can handle and destroy the economy. Chinese fakes are just on a larger scale since their work is quality depending on the type of factory and product that is being made. Just because you shop at a dollar store and the .99 cent toys you buy for your kids break, doesn't mean that all items in China are of poor quality. Think about it this way, when you go shopping, you probably want to find the best deal...Walmart attracts a lot of buyers, because its 'rollback' prices. I am certain that you agree with liking to save money...so you like to save money, yet you are against China since they are the only way that the manufactures can sell products at a lower price and pass the savings onto you as the consumer. Americans have been desensitized to the fact that stuff at Walmart is so cheap, yet they fail to understand how the prices are so low. Do some research and read some case business case studies on Walmart, you will discover some very interesting facts about Walmart. Oh wait, thats the problem you don't want to research anything before you make comments. Don't be offended when you don't know the facts and how the pieces fit to manufacture a product that is both of low cost and high quality. China may be making fakes, but I suppose you should be offended by other parts of the world that make fakes of other products. So long as China is a low cost, relatively high quality manufacture, costs will continue to be low. When costs of goods rise, its an indicator that more Americans may be doing the work; then what will everyone say, "why are the prices so high and why can't we have the same throughput as in China...". And for the American workers that you feel China is stealing jobs from, get rid of the greediness of the Unions that back the companies into corners for outrageous wages (GM)...they are assembly line workers...not frickin doctors and their wages should be adjusted accordingly. Just my 0.02 |
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Posted: 6/11/2010 1:41:34 AM
No One has suggested that they are exclusively offended by Chinese fakes what so ever. Like wise, no one has explored the ideas of other fake items produced outside of China or other countries. Any person, busines or nation that blatantly rips off original designs of another should be shunned, if not punished.
The central theme mesage is: Don't buy Imitation, trademark violating materials of any type. |
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Posted: 7/18/2010 9:09:13 PM
Originally Posted By Ryo:
Originally Posted By matrxxgun:
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon. I wouldn't go that far and say that all of China should be consider a thieves.. I would check your facts before you really say what you said. Unfortunately China does do produce a lot if clones for the sellers who try to cheat people out of their hard earned money. Yeah I mean besides the fact that they copy every sucessful U.S. patented product(even cars), put poison in there exported goods, murder their citizens for practicing religon, harvest organs to sell to the elite from the poor or prisoner, try to sabatoge U.S. business and Gov't via cyber warfare, lock their currency to ours so U.S. manufacturers never gain any ground, and pollute the Earth like no ones business they are just really good people! |
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Posted: 10/16/2010 4:59:15 PM
China was PO'd at Google for putting Chinese books up on line. They claimed copyright infringement. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
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Posted: 11/11/2010 7:29:41 AM
every now and then i will see knock-offs being sold at a local show here in NC. for the most part, show facilitators and organizers police this type of activity and do not want the headlines that counterfeit items were being sold on site. i work for a government agency in NC and while shopping for AR parts, i do my best to support NC vendors selling USA made products. the counterfeit items showing up are vastly improving in matching the image (not quality) of the actual product. i have recently seen the Larue and DD rails that contain all components right down to the loctite.
as a post-consumer, you can possibly be held liable for selling a counterfeit/ knock-off item even if you had no idea. selling intentionally in NC and being caught may result in "Law enforcement agents with the North Carolina Secretary of State’s Office have charged John Doe, 42, of Anywhere, NC with one felony count of possession of a counterfeit trademark and one felony count of criminal use of a counterfeit trademark". this is probably the same case in most states. if you encounter a vendor selling counterfeit/ knock-off items in NC and you would/ want to report them, you can obtain the vendor business card and/ or contact information and provide it to the Office of the Secretary of State in NC Sec of State. And if you were really upset about it, you can always provide the information to actual manufacturer such as Leupold, Larue or DD, etc. as i must state, this is strictly a personal decision for a consumer and only my observation. make your own decision. http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/trademrk/ThePage.aspx |
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Posted: 11/21/2010 11:27:02 AM
What I find a little ironic about this is.....
A saw an ad from a local Farm King store with Leupold Binoculars on sale. Tiny writing in corner of box....made in China. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 6:41:35 PM
everytime I see this title,it reminds me of how stupid this country is when it comes to trade. the chinese have played us since day one and always will untill the dollar is worthless.
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Posted: 3/31/2011 3:49:17 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=858858&page=1� This ad sounds questionable.
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Posted: 3/31/2011 5:23:37 PM
Originally Posted By jsr75:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=858858&page=1� This ad sounds questionable. Either the ad is gone or your link is bad. |
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Posted: 3/31/2011 9:11:20 PM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2011 9:12:55 PM by jsr75]
Originally Posted By Ryo:
Originally Posted By jsr75:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=858858&page=1� This ad sounds questionable. Either the ad is gone or your link is bad. Looks like the seller deleted the post. I did report the ad earlier as well. |
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Posted: 12/25/2011 2:33:50 PM
Originally Posted By LTC_PARA:
Originally Posted By matrxxgun:
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon. hey Texas, I would do a bit more research before assuming that China is necessarily wrong, they are just doing the work asked of them by Craftsman, etc. If a local business around you had their workers go on strike, would you get pissed off at the temporary workers since they didn't complain and just did their job, maybe even your job? They have a family to support to. In order to gain a competitive/comparative advantage in todays marketplace, companies are looking to outsource their work to other countries for a lower cost. Americans want to live the American dream...whether they can afford it or not, the big brother government will support them if they are insulted at the wages that US based companies are paying Chinese workers or Americans will take out more debt then they can handle and destroy the economy. Chinese fakes are just on a larger scale since their work is quality depending on the type of factory and product that is being made. Just because you shop at a dollar store and the .99 cent toys you buy for your kids break, doesn't mean that all items in China are of poor quality. Think about it this way, when you go shopping, you probably want to find the best deal...Walmart attracts a lot of buyers, because its 'rollback' prices. I am certain that you agree with liking to save money...so you like to save money, yet you are against China since they are the only way that the manufactures can sell products at a lower price and pass the savings onto you as the consumer. Americans have been desensitized to the fact that stuff at Walmart is so cheap, yet they fail to understand how the prices are so low. Do some research and read some case business case studies on Walmart, you will discover some very interesting facts about Walmart. Oh wait, thats the problem you don't want to research anything before you make comments. Don't be offended when you don't know the facts and how the pieces fit to manufacture a product that is both of low cost and high quality. China may be making fakes, but I suppose you should be offended by other parts of the world that make fakes of other products. So long as China is a low cost, relatively high quality manufacture, costs will continue to be low. When costs of goods rise, its an indicator that more Americans may be doing the work; then what will everyone say, "why are the prices so high and why can't we have the same throughput as in China...". And for the American workers that you feel China is stealing jobs from, get rid of the greediness of the Unions that back the companies into corners for outrageous wages (GM)...they are assembly line workers...not frickin doctors and their wages should be adjusted accordingly. Just my 0.02 Hey LTC_Para a little research on your part would be in order also. You sound to me like a college boy that thinks you are the only one who deserves the pay they receive and everyone else should work for peanuts. Unions were not created by workers sitting around at break time and suddenly came up with the idea of uniting to "BACK COMPANIES INTO CORNERS FOR OUTRAGEOUS WAGES". Companies that treated worker like slaves is what caused workers to unite for a better life. Research about how workers were treated in the 1800's and early 1900's. Kids working 12 hr days and being injured and killed in the factories and coal mines while the people who owned thes companies build huge mansions from the profits and created fortunes the families still live on to this day. Many of these family member have never had a real job, many got into poitics to try and gain respectability. The American companies that go to China, Mexico and every where else to have their products produced where making money here but knew they coudl go overseas and make more money so away they went. How much less is a pair of Levis jeans since they went to Mexico? Not a damm penny but the companies bottom line is more profitable. Do you expect Americans to compete with third world countries for labor? Hell no we can't. Just my 2 cents worth. Ripper90 |
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Posted: 12/31/2011 11:31:26 PM
[Last Edit: 1/2/2012 10:01:15 AM by SpankyDDM4]
Yeah I got Burned on a Mark4 Copy. And no less by a Guy who Works for a reputable AR MFG here in FL. I bought a lot of stuff from this Guy and referred a Few Friends Who bought from Him also. I don't think I deserved to be done like that!
Note it is Hard to tell it is not the real thing so go do some Research and Educate Yourself before You buy! Don't make the same Mistake I did. Also watch out for the Fake LMT Sopmod Stocks on eBay, luckily I did My research on that one first. If it sounds to good to be True it Probably is! |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 10:33:07 AM
Originally Posted By JDogg1000:
Originally Posted By Ryo:
Originally Posted By matrxxgun:
China,all they do is stealing ,stealing everything around: technology, land,......look at their history: a thief .A thief with a big weapon. I wouldn't go that far and say that all of China should be consider a thieves.. I would check your facts before you really say what you said. Unfortunately China does do produce a lot if clones for the sellers who try to cheat people out of their hard earned money. Yeah I mean besides the fact that they copy every sucessful U.S. patented product(even cars), put poison in there exported goods, murder their citizens for practicing religon, harvest organs to sell to the elite from the poor or prisoner, try to sabatoge U.S. business and Gov't via cyber warfare, lock their currency to ours so U.S. manufacturers never gain any ground, and pollute the Earth like no ones business they are just really good people! +1. Truthful and not politically correct, I like it!! |
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Posted: 3/20/2012 8:23:00 PM
Originally Posted By SUPERSPORT:
I'm confused. I just searched Leupold. I've lost track of how many times I've seen it stated that Leupold is out sourcing work to China themselves. Is this true? I saw the same thing. If a manufacturer( not saying Leupold is ) is using China to make their product then is it legal for that Chinese manufacturer to sell to Joe Blow? |
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:24:48 PM
Originally Posted By centralflguns:
Originally Posted By SUPERSPORT:
I'm confused. I just searched Leupold. I've lost track of how many times I've seen it stated that Leupold is out sourcing work to China themselves. Is this true? I saw the same thing. If a manufacturer( not saying Leupold is ) is using China to make their product then is it legal for that Chinese manufacturer to sell to Joe Blow? I would say it is not legal if they have a contract with the distributor (not saying Leupold is going to China). Even if they are outsourcing it to China, it doesn't make it junk if they control the quality of the product produced.. though I would rather have it American produced since it's a American company. |
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Posted: 9/2/2012 6:36:36 PM
Originally Posted By Loafer:
No One has suggested that they are exclusively offended by Chinese fakes what so ever. Like wise, no one has explored the ideas of other fake items produced outside of China or other countries. Any person, busines or nation that blatantly rips off original designs of another should be shunned, if not punished. The central theme mesage is: Don't buy Imitation, trademark violating materials of any type. I'm not sure I understand the word "imitation". I do understand "trademark violation." Leupold contracts with the Asian companies who manufacture the glass for Leupold products. Leupold markets themselves as "America's Optics Authority". I don't know what that means? Apparently, it means assembling Asian manufactured glass and tubes in Oregon, then charging European optics prices while minimizing investment in American technology, then marketing the so-so product as a great American achievement. If the Chinese assemble the exact same "Leupold" glass (which they manufactured), and the exact same "Leupold" tubes (which they manufactured), then I guess you have an imitation? I do understand that it is a trademark violation, but how can I have sympathy for Leupold? Worldwide leading semiconductor manufacturers understand that sending intellectual property to Asia is inviting the design to be stolen. Every international businessman know this. Sensitive information is never sent to Asia. Is the lure of high profits at the expense of American employment too much for Leupold? How do they have the audacity to have their components manufactured cheaply offshore, mark their prices to European Optics standards, bilk American customers into thinking they are buying American, then complain when the offshore manufacturers sell their own product? I'd rather pay the Nikon prices for glass manufactured in the exact same facility. without the lies and the extremely poor Leupold customer service. Hey, I'm not knocking Asian glass at reasonable prices. Vortex does it. Nightforce does it. But please, I'm tired of hearing the "USA, USA" marketing Leupold lie. I have no sympathy for a company who offshores manufacturing jobs, putting Americans out of work. Then complains that the Chinese infringe on their trade secrets. Particularly when such a company uses the word "American" so frequently in their false advertising. Leupold, offshore your technology at your own risk. Enjoy your profit, don't come crying to me when you get burned. I understand you can never equal the technology of Swarovski, Leica, Zeiss, etc. But how stupid do you think the American consumer is, to pay top quality European optics prices for Chinese/Phillipino glass? |
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Posted: 9/22/2012 11:17:52 PM
They pay there workers less than a dime a 12hr day. How are we going to compete Union or no Union there's no way. So go drive your BMW or Toyota over a cliff and wait for a non union emer. personal to give you a hand! Remember 51 % of union members vote Republican. China will soon be training doctors and lawyers and sending them our way. Why would we want to pay a high priced red blooded American when we can get a chinaman half price to do the samething.
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Posted: 3/24/2013 10:36:29 AM
My heart bleeds for these companies who have no hesitation taking jobs overseas, and after having made a sizeable profit by benefiting from the cheap labor they begin to realize Chinese had ulterior motives and begin copying their products and competing with them how bad a decision that was.
These are Chinese!! They are not just looking for some work for their workers. Those days are long gone. They are looking for industries that go there willingly for their cheap labor, only to be robbed of their intellectual properties, trademarks, copyrights. Who pays the price? We all do.. Live by the sword.....Die by the sword. |
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