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Posted: 8/15/2006 11:10:32 AM
[Last Edit: 4/27/2008 10:43:56 AM by brillo]
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U.S. Postal Service (USPS) - Shipping ammo is prohibited.
United Parcel Service (UPS) - Shipping ammo permitted with packaging/weight/labeling qualifications.
Federal Express (FedEx) - Shipping ammo generally prohibited unless HazMat certified.



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U.S. Postal Service (USPS): Shipping of Ammunition is Prohibited

Ammunition (Cartridges, small arms) is a nonmailable hazardous material. "Under no circumstances may any nonmailable hazardous material, restricted matter, or perishable matter be deposited for mailing."

Publication 52 - Hazardous, Restricted and Perishable Mail
Cartridges, small arms - Appendix A - Hazardous Materials



United Parcel Service (UPS):

1. Pack ammo within a sturdy cardboard box, gross weight limit of 66 pounds.
2. Print ORM-D label, cut out and tape to a least one side of box.
3. Take package to a UPS Customer Center only - NOT at Drop-Off Box, The UPS Store, Mail Boxes etc., Sonic. Might be a good idea to have the UPS Hazardous Material Support Center number with you -- 800-554-9964. Varied success with UPS pick-up at your location.

Per UPS:
UPS accepts domestic ground shipments of ammunition that have been classified by the shipper as "Cartridges, small arms", "ORM-D" (Other Regulated Material). The package must be properly marked according to the requirements of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations (49 CFR). Contact the Hazardous Material Support Center at 800-554-9964 for details on regulatory information.



Federal Express (FedEx):

Per FedEx, 10/26/2006:
HazMat Training is required to qualify to ship all Hazardous Materials. Ammunition is a Hazardous Material. No Drop-Off, package must be picked up by FedEx. See How to Qualify.



Additional shipping information and procedures at CartridgeCollectors.org.


Label meets requirements of 49 CFR 172.316.
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Posted: 9/23/2006 5:03:06 PM
Thank you brillo - excellent information!
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Posted: 9/26/2006 4:17:52 PM
According to UPS Hazardous Material Center, you can have ammunition picked up at your front door if you go through the trouble of setting up a UPS account. You still have to have the proper markings on the box. I am trying this out for the first time so if anyone else has any negative experience please cime in.
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Posted: 9/26/2006 5:45:53 PM
No other shipping services take live ammunition? I have seen people using FedEx as well. Just curious, thanks.
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Posted: 9/27/2006 2:20:41 PM
[Last Edit: 9/27/2006 2:29:45 PM by brillo]

Originally Posted By ar15gnocchi:
No other shipping services take live ammunition? I have seen people using FedEx as well. Just curious, thanks.


FedEx also will ship ammo, but it's been difficult getting consistent guidelines from them. My brother-in-law is the FedEx haz-mat specialist in Philadelphia and can't give me a conclusive answer. They require training and certification for accounts, but it's unclear if that applies to occasional individual shippers.
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Posted: 9/30/2006 8:31:07 AM
I ship ammo via fed ex frequently. I have a fed ex ground account...

In some instances, I've sent payment to the shipper, and then called Fed Ex to pick up the ammo at thier residence/job, provide all shipping labels + ORM-D tags. It cost an extra $7 for pickup, one box or one hundred.

I've also sent payment to sellers along with their form of payment + ORM-D tag + address label, and instruct the seller to take it to a bona fide Fed Ex (air or ground) location.


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Posted: 10/9/2006 1:41:15 PM


Where can you get these kind of labels? Can UPS provide them for you?

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Posted: 10/9/2006 2:48:41 PM
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Here is a source for ORM-D LabelsThanks - Les in Idaho
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Posted: 10/10/2006 9:35:09 AM

Originally Posted By blackeye:

Where can you get these kind of labels? Can UPS provide them for you?



I use MS Excel to make them. If you want I can email a sample to you (I have NO IDEA) how to post attachments/pictures

/ml/Drew
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Posted: 10/16/2006 3:38:41 AM

Originally Posted By H2O_MAN:
Thank you brillo - excellent information!
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Posted: 10/24/2006 4:52:04 PM
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I tried to ship some ammo today and was told I had to be an FFL and have HazMat permits. This was at a main UPS Customer Center that I've shipped Rifles at before.

Best luck with the rest of you shipping ammo.
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Posted: 10/26/2006 10:56:20 AM

Originally Posted By Trout15:
I tried to ship some ammo today and was told I had to be an FFL and have HazMat permits. This was at a main UPS Customer Center that I've shipped Rifles at before.

Best luck with the rest of you shipping ammo.


The UPS employee was incorrect. UPS Hazmat suggests you have the agent call UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center at 1-800-554-9964. They will tell the agent the box must be securely wrapped, weigh no more than 66 pounds, must have an appropriate ORM-D label and should ship regular shipping.
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Posted: 10/26/2006 4:16:45 PM
[Last Edit: 10/26/2006 4:20:19 PM by blackeye]

Originally Posted By brillo:

Originally Posted By Trout15:
I tried to ship some ammo today and was told I had to be an FFL and have HazMat permits. This was at a main UPS Customer Center that I've shipped Rifles at before.

Best luck with the rest of you shipping ammo.


The UPS employee was incorrect. UPS Hazmat suggests you have the agent call UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center at 1-800-554-9964. They will tell the agent the box must be securely wrapped, weigh no more than 66 pounds, must have an appropriate ORM-D label and should ship regular shipping.


I had the same problem a few weeks back. The UPS Customer Center refused to send the package at first. I then told them I had been on their website and went by all their rules posted on said website. After several trips back and forth to her supervisor (who wouldn't come out and talk to me). She finally agreed to ship the package "this time". I responded," If your going to ship it this time, then there really is no problem shipping it next time, is there?"

After I got home, I called UPS Customer Service with my problem. They connected me with the UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center. I was told there should have been no problem with package. And if I were to run into a problem again to have the shipping agent call.

UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center 1-800-554-9964

I know I am repeating Brillo's comments but I thought sharing my experience with this problem would help. The next time I went to the UPS Customer Center to send another ammo shipment. The agent rolled her eyes at me. I handed her the index card with the above number on it and said " Here, call these people and they will let you know its OK". Problem solved.

As far as packaging, I just made sure it was taped well and printed with a majic marker ORM-D on all sides. No stickers were needed. They like your packages to not have any other markings or writing on them. If you are thinking about using a used box.



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Posted: 10/31/2006 9:46:44 AM
Remeber that all of this goes out the window if your shipment cannot go ground. If you try shipping to HI for example, then UPS requires you to be a certified HazMat shipper.

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Posted: 11/2/2006 7:12:42 PM
I thought loaded ammo can ship regular UPS ground without Hazmat fee's?
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Posted: 11/3/2006 5:47:04 AM

Originally Posted By ARexpert:
I thought loaded ammo can ship regular UPS ground without Hazmat fee's?


Correct, no hazmat for loaded ammo if shipped ground.
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Posted: 11/18/2006 2:37:55 AM
lol I packed 500rnds in a old Winchester box I had that I got 1000rnds of Q3131 shipped to me, and I just went to a UPS store and dropped it off. lol

The cute girl behind the counter never asked what i was shipping, Just that it was kinda heavy.....

Closest UPS Outlet was 30 miles away... The UPS Store was 1 mile away from work...

Could they get in trouble for accepting it a package marked ORM-D??

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Posted: 11/18/2006 11:36:04 PM
The UPS store SHOULD NOT have taken this with a ORM-D label. You should either take it to the UPS shipping facility in your area, or give it to a UPS driver. Thanks - Les in Idaho.
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Posted: 11/20/2006 8:39:37 PM
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What about shipping ammo into CA, IL, MA, NJ, NY, WDC? Checking most supplier's sites it seems like its a no-no. Maybe its not a problem for private sales...

ETA:
To answer my own questions...here is a good source of info...I only checked MA, but the buyer there has to have the proper license for it to be legal.

www.nraila.org/GunLaws/
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Posted: 2/2/2007 2:49:01 PM
Hi, FYI. printed out orm-d tags from this thread after saving them to word. Person at ups said she did not think I could ship. Called the 800 # provided on this thread and she then said no problem. Easy as pie. The only problem was finding a UPS hub to ship from. Will they pick up ammo with pre-printed labels? can you pu it in drop box? Thanks.
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Just a thought? Do you need to require an adult sig or proof of age just to be safe?
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I have learned more about shipping small arms ammunition via FEDEX than I would like know.
I too had multiple answers from multiple people. Here is the poop.
FED-EX will ship small arms ammunition via ground only if you have an account, have the ORM-D /small arms ammunition label affixed, appropriate box ratings(I've learned more about cardboard than I would like to know, see ratings below),can not be a FED-EX box. I'm shipping out today, I'll see how it goes..... One more thing, it can only be shipped to a state that allows it.

FedEx Ground requires Fiberboard “Non-Specification Packaging” or “Strong
Outer Packaging” to meet the following requirements:
o For packages weighing up to 20 lbs. the outer package minimum
requirements will be a 200 lb. Bursting test or 32 Edge Crush test
package.
o For packages weighing 21-50 lbs. a 250 lb. Bursting test or 44 Edge
Crush test will be required.
o For packages weighing 51-70 lbs. the outer container must be 275 lb.
Bursting test or 55 Edge Crush test.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 5:50:12 PM
Can you ship Ammo USPS ???
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Posted: 2/24/2007 9:06:36 PM
No, it is ILLEGAL to ship Ammo via US Post Office.
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Posted: 2/25/2007 2:19:25 PM

Originally Posted By Les123:
No, it is ILLEGAL to ship Ammo via US Post Office.


How about just the Bullet ? (No powder, primer, or case)
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Posted: 2/26/2007 1:16:34 AM
Thanks for posting this information.
Anyone know how the UPS website works for figuring out shipping costs. It was showing me 450 bucks for a 15 pound package!!! ha!
thanks for the help in advance
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Posted: 2/28/2007 10:58:36 AM

Originally Posted By elohim1:

Originally Posted By Les123:
No, it is ILLEGAL to ship Ammo via US Post Office.


How about just the Bullet ? (No powder, primer, or case)


As far as i know, it's legal. There may be hazmat stuff if it has exposed lead on it though.

Also legal to ship fired brass.
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Yesterday I called Fed Ex about shipping ammo and was told you had to be certified in shipping small arms ammo or a business, this info is already in this thread I believe. I guess I should have done as all Mods say and read the tacked threads.

I ended up calling the number given by Brillo for UPS hazmat and they told me exactly what Brillo said it should be no problem and just put the label on the side of the box. Today 3/1/07 I called the number again for UPS hazmat for another question and a recording came on saying something about there is new info and to hit any button on your phone (cell phone) for a text message. So I did that and I get a text that says send a text back with just the letter Y. So I do that and it gives me another number 1 800 934-7900 which is some automated directory line.

I have no idea what is going on with the UPS Hazmat number, yesterday it was fine and today 3/1 it's not.

just wanted to give a heads up

UPDATE 3/1, I just tried the Hazmat # again and there was no problem this time I got right through but I have no idea why what happenned when I tried earlier
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Posted: 3/2/2007 1:10:07 AM

Originally Posted By elohim1:

Originally Posted By Les123:
No, it is ILLEGAL to ship Ammo via US Post Office.


How about just the Bullet ? (No powder, primer, or case)


If it's just lead, the USPS flat rate boxes are good.
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Posted: 3/16/2007 7:01:00 PM
Just called UPS HazMat number (800-554-9964) today to confirm rules after 800-PICK-UPS told me they were not sure.
for small arms cartidges, it must have the ORM-D label in the original post, but guess what?
they will pick it up at my house! no need to drive it to the center (30 miles).
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Can anyone tell me if it is possible to ship ammo w/ UPS and have it paid by receiver? Or does the seller just pay the shipping and add it to the price? Thanks.
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Why not ship truck freight?
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Posted: 3/23/2007 5:37:35 PM

Originally Posted By SGB:
Why not ship truck freight?


because its a arm and a leg?

i drive a semi and would be willing to put it in the cab with me for a reasonable price. or trade for, if something regular was worked out.

i live in indianapolis and drive through columbus ohio and go north every night. and usually get to pick where i go on the weekends(within 300 miles of indy) has to be close to the highway though.

shipping is getting so outrageous im just trying to think out of the box here....guess i should give it more thought.
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Posted: 4/8/2007 11:49:20 PM

Originally Posted By Trout15:
I tried to ship some ammo today and was told I had to be an FFL and have HazMat permits. This was at a main UPS Customer Center that I've shipped Rifles at before.

Best luck with the rest of you shipping ammo.


Just an update: this is still going on at certain UPS hubs.

I tried to ship a small box of ammo on Friday, and was told at the UPS hub that I had to have a FFL to ship ammo. I told the customer service person she was wrong, and that I only needed the "ORM-D" sticker. After almost a half-hour of her checking (I'm assuming with UPS Hazmat), she confirmed that it would be OK.

Fair warning to anyone going to a UPS hub to ship ammo! Not all UPS employees know the rules, so you should be prepared to explain the rules to them.
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Just recently shipped a two cases of ammo with UPS. The first a few weeks ago I tried to ship from a UPS hub. I called them first to find out the proper way to ship(packaging,labels and also cost involved). Took some time to finaly get "a guy who knew"!!All he said was"we dont accept it here, we have a sign that says so"!!Then I called the 800 number complained a little , the rep on the phone was great.Told me he could arrainge a pickup at my house,pay with a credit card over the phone and be done with it......Cool!! Now today I go to ship out a second case of ammo. First lady that got on the phone said I need to have an account.She said first guy made a mistake.Then a supervisor got on the line and confirmed this for me.I knew these people had no clue what the protocol was!! So, fortunately this lady did give me the Haz-Mat # .Got a nice guy out of Kentucky , told me he was a gun owner and understood the prejudice,he then called another rep explained there was no problem in shipping it transfered me to him and even this guy strted with the Let me put you on hold crap and check. I freaked out(Iwas on the phone almost 30 min. at this point.)Told him how long I was waiting ,he didnt put me on hold appologized and said he was just checking about shipping labels for me and in the short time I was on the line with him, he had already looked up the proper info. Finaly I got it done.
Point of the story is...if you have a problem shipping ammo from your house with Big Brown get the rep to give you the Haz -Mat # .. Hope this helps.
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Posted: 4/19/2007 2:42:46 PM
Are drivers allowed to refuse to pick up the ammo from your house? I've had a few drivers refuse to pick up. One driver said he was not comfortable carrying it. I mean, what's the difference, they have to deliver it too. I pointed out to him that he had plenty of items in his truck that are ORM-D labeled. Case in point, he had a whole stack of AVON stuff that was all labeled ORM-D. Those could blow up easier than the ammo would.


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Today was my first experience of shipping ammunition. It didn't start out very well. Thanks to this thread, it ended very good.

I went to FedEx first, thinking that since I was shipped the ammunition last year through them, it should be a easy way to do it. It was a pain in the arse! It come down to them wanting to charge me over $200 to ship 44lbs.

A trip to UPS later this evening and it was a wham, bam, thank you sir and I was out the door in 5 minutes without a single hickup.

I have never shipped anything myself through FedEx and after today, I never will.
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I guess ignorance was bliss on my part.

I just put it in the box,sealed it, slapped the address label I printed from ups.com and scheduled a pickup.

Sent out 15 packages like that.
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Set up a credit card account with UPS. They picked up my package at my house and they shipped same day . No hassle. (If you do what I tell you below)

When setting up account online or on the phone do not say/select you are shipping hazardous items. This will only entangle you in a gagglefuck. UPS does not require a hazmat contract for small arms ammunition ORM-D. I made the mistake of selecting the online response "yes" to hazardous material and 3 days later they call and say "Oops, you don't need a hazmat contract!" Just package the item, label it ORM-D with a label or crayon if needed and have UPS pick the thing up.
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Posted: 7/7/2007 10:47:30 AM

Originally Posted By Trout15:
I tried to ship some ammo today and was told I had to be an FFL and have HazMat permits. This was at a main UPS Customer Center that I've shipped Rifles at before.

Best luck with the rest of you shipping ammo.


I ran into the same thing with handguns taking them to a drop off, they would not take them. I set up an account with them, request a pick up, the driver picks it up no questions ask! I have no idea what the difference is. By the way I'm a FFL.
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Posted: 7/13/2007 7:20:48 PM

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I guess ignorance was bliss on my part.

I just put it in the box,sealed it, slapped the address label I printed from ups.com and scheduled a pickup.

Sent out 15 packages like that.


Beware, you are treading into Code of Federal Regulations territory, and if something were to go wrong in the shipment the .gov would not hesitate to go after you for improperly shipping the items. It is simply not worth the worry to do things the wrong way.
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Posted: 7/15/2007 3:36:44 PM
Does anyone know if I have to put a sealed crate in a cardboard box? Seems stupid but I dont know. I am shipping FEDEX G

The crate has ORD stickers on it so I am inclined to think so, but do not know.

Does anyone else?
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Great info guys!
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Does UPS assess an additional charge because the box has an ORM-D marking?
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No, they shouldn't. ORM-D isn't HAZMAT (as we commonly use the term) and doesn't require the extra HAZMAT fee.

That said, I had a bad experience today shipping ammo with UPS and ended up sending it FedEx. The smartest thing FedEx ever did was putting a terminal close to the UPS center as there were several other customers there pissed off with brown.

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I took a case of BH to the UPS hub this week. The guy behind the counter was very sincere and apologetic, but also very firm, and very certain he was right.

"I've been told a thousand times", he said, "you have to have an existing UPS account to ship live ammuntion. Has to be picked up. As far as the public goes, you can't just bring it in here and ship it."

So to be nice back to him, I pretended I had been told the night before by their hazmat office that I COULD ship it, and called the hazmat # from my cell phone, right in front of him, to "straighten them out".

Of course, hazmat said no problem if it's properly marked and under 66 pounds ... and my ammo got shipped. The guy remained sincere and apologetic, and I shook his hand.

Moral of the story is, always arm yourself with that hazmat # when you go to ship, and everything will be OK.

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Glad I had the UPS HazMat Phone number today.

I was already ticked that I had to drive 30 miles to the UPS hub, to meet their hours of 4:30 - 6:30 pm only. Went in to ship some ammo, was first told had to have FFL, so I said what the heck, showed her a copy of mine (C&R). Then, she "checked" with someone in the back, and told me ammo couldn't be shipped to a residence. So I called the HazMat folks on my cell, told them what was up, handed the clerk the phone and said "It's for you". A short bit later, she was apologetic and said she "thought" you couldn't ship ammo, but knew better now.
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ups needs to brush up on theyre own rules, i have received ammo from sportsmanguide numerious times @ my home, when it was cheap. lucky for me my work has a daily ups pickup and they dont mind if i ship from there, seeing as i do all the shipping anyway.
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I went through the same BS with FedEx regarding the Haz Mat training. I had to get a customer service advocate involved. The HazMat section didnt know their own requirement. Finally a customer service rep in Detroit got involved. It is basically the same as UPS except the weight limit is a little higher and you have to take it to the hub to ship. Hope this helps.
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