Okay here is the original post.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_24/979524_WTS_Lot_of_58_G_I__Mags_SOLD.html

Notice that I said "I will take them" at 10:55 Pm

I them sent Him an IM asking him to send me his paypal info and went to bed shortly after.

At 11:58 he edited his ad to add " Please be aware that contact must be made asap or item will sell to another quickly no exceptions sorry alot of people just dont pay."

The next day mid morning i checked my messages from my phone at got 2 from him:

at 11:08 PM

Paypal is xxxxxxxxxaol.com please pay discreet thanks again also please email me shipping address

at 11:15PM

Hey bud let me know soon i have somebody else interested and wants them now so please let me know thanks MD

I didn't think much about this last message...thouht maybe it was sent to the wrong person... So at 1:07 Pm on 4-3-12 I sent payment in the ammount of $285.00 (from my computer...paypal is a PITA from my phone) to the man and then sent an IM to inform him that payment had been sent and where to ship it


1:07 PM

Payment sent to ya a few minutes ago.

Ship to:

xxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxx
West Plains, Mo 65775

Thanks


I have had no return messages from him and he HAS read my meassage as well as this one just a few minutes ago:

10:14 PM 4-4-12

Payment was sent yesterday....Can you please provide with with the shipping info when you can?

Thanks, Matt



I just checked my Paypal account and my payment has been refunded and is now on hold from paypal and there is another member that has posted in the original thread for feedback. Did I do something wrong here??? It seemed to me that we had a deal. What really makes me mad is that he edited the original ad to what it says now!!! This isn't right!

Matt


ETA: Edited out personal info

Thanks,

I edited it even though he posted his email in his ad and my name and address is all over the net too (part of being a business owner lol)

How can someone get tired of waiting in a 12 hour lapse of time??? From the looks of his messages to me and the other buyers' post he made another deal within 2 hours. That is unacceptable...

He replied to my Im when I sent him a link to this. (His message in red)

Hey im sorry u fill that way there was no need to bash though like i said before individuals had said they will take an item and never pay i did not intend to disrespect u in any way at all please note that again im sorry.

Sir,
I am in no way bashing you. We made a deal, you did not follow through on the deal. Its that simple. I paid in less than 1 day. Some people (myself included) have to be up and going at 6am and cannot be on the internet waiting for replies all night, If you truly were sorry about the situation you would have responded to my earlier messages and not waited until now to reply.

Received at 11;53PM


I agree and i was going to wright u about the refund etc but what does it matter now u already are speaking what u fill so its all right i guess take care and sorry again but what does that matter right

Looks like a clear cut welch to me.
The minute he sent PP info it was a deal and to not wait at least 24 hours for payment is out of line.

Agreed ..

He had a large ad in the military equipment section that had a ton of stuff for sale. I can see how that would and could happen.

Remember members theres 2 sides to a story, its unfair that people automatically assume this is the case. As a Seller/Buyer ive had the chance to meet various people and enjoy speaking with them and dealing with them and some i stay clear of, i see alot of star wars here posting there feelings about this Welching/Flaking and i agree with what all u are saying, u shouldnt treat members this way, etc etc. im a member not a star but a member and should be treated fairly as well. "Weres the support" just negativity.
Situation
Item was for sale a individual states they will take it on thread another states around same time via email as well as IM there interested as well, one party cant get a hold of but left info just in case other was to flake.
Both parties pay, one pays as stated and directions followed to a T communication flawless Creditable member, the other pays does not follow directions loss of money/time due to waiting on replies etc etc.
People have lives as the individual stated above.
Everybody wants to be happy with out headache i hope we all agree if not u got issues, apologies were given and no heart was open to listen just controversy and judgment.
I see alot of opinions about How he got 58 feed back etc etc. When payment info is given its sold, i would think when item is paid for it would be sold correct.
Look at the feedback nothing but positive things said SO FAR Lol but lets hang this man anyway.
Its unfair this is my America MODS asked to make fair judgement on matter, hopes they will if not hey i still love'm

not our fault you sent payment info to more than one person. You sold the item to two people. It's a sellers welch

Ok guys I'm going have to get in this one. First I have had three separate deals with sniperstooth and he has been above board on all of them. Second he has a ton of gear posted and sad to say he is only human and a mistake was made , no big deal just a simple fuck up. I'm sure he was flooded with bullshit lowball offers and a ton of IM's and emails. Maybe y'all should just chalk this to shit happens and get over it.

To the poster did you get your money back? If yes your out nothing and I know it's sucks you missed out on a deal but I'm sure something else will find you.

Also I would like to see people post in here that have delt with sniperstooth not just shits looking to stir the pot..

Sniperstooth +3 , from me .... And I'll back him all day he has been awesome to me and at least 50 + members ..

Sigxo45

Hey MOD , I think you might want to look at some other postings sniperstooth has up and you can see what he has been dealing with, he has been selling a ton of good gear and getting dicked around by others with lowball offers and members backing out on deals. Sorry might just have to be acceptable in this case . Like I said he is a good guy just made a mistake.

This is not something to be banned over , mabye a neutral feedback or something.. This is a guy I would like to have on the site..

Sorry you feel that way.

FYI, there have been members with 258 + feedback that have been banned for screwing up a deal and refusing to honor it.

The seller sent payment info to 2 buyers "in case one of them flaked" That's a prime fuck-up. It doesn't matter how much stuff you bought from him or if he's your twin brother - he fucked up. If he doesn't want to make it right then we don't need him here dicking the next guy.

You don't think I make mistakes? Make plenty of them. It's just that the mistakes I make I can fix. I don't need to stir the pot. Take a stroll through all the welch threads. It doesn't take much to figure out where this is most likely headed. He could be my brother or my brother in arms...he still did what he did. Sending payment info to two separate parties is asking for trouble. That's not an accident.

Look i guess the guys with all the answers x u and others know that dealing with individuals is sometimes hard and most of the times impossible, would u honestly still try to honor something or fix something already broken, dont think so. Theres no pleading with certain people and did u not get he did not follow intruction discreet and if not 4% i wouldnt have sold it to him anyway, "WOW" theres no need for all this Mods will make a descision i will abide and accept there descision which they make i screwed up but it was not to benifit or steal from anyone just thought the individual was on when i sent im informing him it would sell if he did not get back asap 24 hrs the item would have shipped before then, i cant sit and tell him why or my life story so it is what it is leave it alone i thank my friends and theres a few the others need to sit down and think why or why not whatever

U would even when a apology cant even be accepted first hmm

Wow , so let me get this straight. You would expect a refund( that's a given no disagreement there) and 58 new mags bought at full retail.. Are you smoking Fing crack guy. That's a bit much don't you think? I'm all for making things right within reason and sir let me tell you if you expect your money back and 50 some odd mags for free that just makes you an opportunistic shit looking to get over on someone .

Now refund and a I'm sorry I fucked up letter followed by a modest care package I'll back that 100%.

Again When the OP can talk to me without involving the linch mobb maybe, im quite reasonable and honor is earned never given he should have talked with me first before he started ruffling feathers agee.

Apparently u do with your 2 sense x u like i said when the OP talks to me with out his devine group of bullies we can talk about this until then hes the one who doesnt care just wanted u to do his dirty work

I would go a step further and say it's flat out shady.

Okay, Now you have gone and pissed me off.

I posted "I'll take them"

You sent payment info and then 8 minutes later sent a messge wanting me to let you know because you had someone wanting them now. When did you think I wanted them?? 1 at a time over the next 58 years???

An hour later you edit your ad to say "Please be aware that contact must be made asap or item will sell to another quickly no exceptions sorry alot of people just dont pay" This was not in your original ad. Thats wrong sorry it just is.

I read both of your messages the next morning and then sent payment a short time later.

I messaged you 3 times and you failed to respond to my IMs. You arfe the one that neglected to respond. (FYI you can tell when a message has been read)

I now have money in limbo in the paypal system as they have not given it back to me yet.

Gator asked you to respond to this link and you waited 18 Hrs to do so.


Oh, and by the way your ad (or your IM with payment info) says nothing about adding 4% for paypal.

I had no problem accepting your apology but it came many hours after I gave up trying to get you to answer the messages that you read and failed to answer. It was only after the MOD contacted you that you even contacted me. Itried to resolve this and you wanted no part of it. Thats when I started this thread.

ETA: Fixed spelling error.

Sniper, I strongly advise you to read the EE rules and then amicably resolve this situation if you wish to continue to deal here. This is absolutely not a threat (I have no power here, I am not a MOD) just a friendly word of advice.

I see no desire to fix this. With all the bickering back and forth his buddy helping him and all. AND STILL NO DESIRE TO FIX THIS.
You got yourself in this mess not the "lynch mob" fix it or I have a feeling you will be banned.
You never send payment info to two different people for the same item.

I don't want to be just another 3rd party dropping in but I feel like you (sigxo45) aren't getting this and it hasn't been articulated into a situation you can understand; that's ok. Imagine this......

It is Christmas season and as with every Christmas season, there is that ONE hot toy that your child HAS TO HAVE. You wait in line, get into Toys R Us and get the LAST one! Congratulations! Well now you are at the cash register and another parent wants that toy. They're sitting there telling the cashier, "I'll take that!" After the Cashier (Mr. Sniperstooth) scans the toy YOU got to first, he gives you the price (aka payment info). While you reach into your pocket, pull out a check, and start to write out the payment.....The other customer takes cash out of his pocket, waves it at the cashier (Mr. Sniperstooth) and the cashier (Mr. Sniperstooth) gives the other shopper a 'wink', takes his cash, and the other parent walks out of the store...with YOUR toy.

If that was me, I would sit there with my mouth wide open; speechless. After catching my bearings, I would ask for a manager (start a feedback thread to get moderator support) and get a resolution. Of course I am still going to get MY money, that's not a question. As any store would/should do, I would expect the cashier (Mr. Sniperstooth) to be reprimanded (given -1 feedback) and then order me that same toy, regardless if they have to pay extra for expedited shipping or a change in cost, and allow me to pay at the initial price. I would expect that toy at the original X-Mas sale price, sent to my home (better late than never), along with apology and THEN, ONLY THEN, will things be "ok".

If the Buyer says "Forget it." THEN, ONLY THEN, is an apology and refund an acceptable resolution. Unless those words are spoken, the Seller (Mr. Sniperstooth) MUST buy the original item, on his dime, and C-O-M-P-L-E-T-E the sale. If these rules are NOT followed, then you will have people selling shit all over the place, making deals with multiple buyers and waiting for the HIGHEST bidder to come along. That's not fair. Just because the other parent was willing to slip the cashier a $20 (not implying that's what happened) does not make it right for the sale to be voided for the new buyer. When a sale is committed, it is completed. There is no, "I'll take it" "Ok, you got it" ....5 minutes later "Hey I'll take it and pay $5 more" "Ok, now YOU got it."

AGAIN....I'm not saying the seller did this. But the reason these rules exist and the seller MUST buy a new item and SELL, NOT GIVE it to the buyer is because people would be making multiple deals and selling to whomever they like the most or is willing to pay the most; instead of selling to the buyer who was THE FIRST to commit to purchase.

I personally have sold to someone at a negotiated, lower rate from my initial asking price. Then someone else came along and said, "I'll take it at full asking price." It sucked knowing I lost out on $10-$100 just because I didn't wait 10 minutes but I COMMITTED TO A SALE and I MUST COMPLETE THAT SALE. Just because Mr. Sniperstooth has been a good guy to you, does not negate the fact that this is what SHOULD happen.

I'm not here to stirr the pot, I am only writing because I feel like I was able to explain in a manner that would be easier to comprehend. If it's still confusing, let me know.



Please tell me that you have T9Word stuck on your phone, you're swamped with work and can't even look at the screen of the cellphone you are texting on. There's no way that came from a keyboard on a computer with spellcheck.

The flip side of this one would be a buyer who finds a couple of ads for an item he wants. He responds to each ad saying, "I'll take it. Send me payment information." He then completes the deal with whichever seller responds first, leaving the other(s) to rot in the breeze. That's a clear welch on a buyers part.

This is a clear welch on the seller's part. It doesn't matter whether he's Saint John the Divine or Satan's left hand man. What matters is he sold it, then didn't follow through. The question now is how can the seller make this right? In large part, that's between the buyer and the seller, but the seller's attitude isn't boding well for this. "If the buyer contacts me directly..." The seller isn't in a position to set demands here. The seller ought to be asking simply, "How can I make this right to your satisfaction?" When that happens, all of the third party comments tend to go away (based on what has happened in other threads).

P.

Ok even if agreed with u guys leave others out of it its between me and the other guy and doesnt even want to talk mono e mono like i said im a good guy im resonable he should have came to me first when he can calm down and speak with me on a personal note things will get resolved i dont care what people say here there not worth my time any more lolu guys still get a though lol

What you're not understanding, is this is no longer between you and "the other guy". If this is how you handle transactions, EVERYONE that buys in the EE deserves to see this. That's the whole purpose of feedback.