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Posted: 1/16/2012 7:52:51 PM
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Wow what a douche. This. I am glad I never ordered anything from him |
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NapeSticksToKids
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:38:47 PM
He's contributed about 500 dollars worth of gear to a contest on facebook, if you win you'll get your moneys worth back
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Dog1
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Posted: 2/2/2012 3:42:59 PM
Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
He's contributed about 500 dollars worth of gear to a contest on facebook, if you win you'll get your moneys worth back Ouch. 
What a tool. He ranks down there with the rest of the thieves that have come through this board. |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 11:24:44 AM
GOTURBACK here,
I have only One direct purchase from OSOE, I wanted a compact tear-off med pouch vertical (multicam) and tried to order one from Tactical Response Gear but they did not show it being available, shortly thereafter I received an e-mail from John Willis stating that he was making some that week and if I wanted one he would let me know to when they were ready so that I could authorize the pay pal payment, later that same week he e-mailed me stating it was ready and I authorized the payment, he subsequently e-mailed me a tracking # and several days later my new med. pouch arrived. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. John does not take payment for products until they are ready to be shipped now, and I have nothing but good things to say about my transaction. GOTURBACK |
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Posted: 2/7/2012 2:48:29 PM
Originally Posted By goturback: Yeah, that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, he's never bothered to make good on all of the outstanding orders that he did take prepayment for. GOTURBACK here, I have only One direct purchase from OSOE, I wanted a compact tear-off med pouch vertical (multicam) and tried to order one from Tactical Response Gear but they did not show it being available, shortly thereafter I received an e-mail from John Willis stating that he was making some that week and if I wanted one he would let me know to when they were ready so that I could authorize the pay pal payment, later that same week he e-mailed me stating it was ready and I authorized the payment, he subsequently e-mailed me a tracking # and several days later my new med. pouch arrived. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. John does not take payment for products until they are ready to be shipped now, and I have nothing but good things to say about my transaction. GOTURBACK |
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Posted: 2/9/2012 8:39:07 PM
A little late, but I'll throw in as well. Willis stole from me last year. He traded two belts for a Surefire G2. When the belts showed up one of them was too short, and the other one was two inches shorter than that. I sent a photo of the belts, and offered to keep the longer one if he'd replace the completely useless one. No response. I sent the useless belt back. It took months to get an answer, which amounted to "screw you."
He still has the light. I hope it explodes in hos FRONT pocket. I should have looked for the little prick at SHOT. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 3:24:06 PM
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked.
I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 3:37:21 PM
Originally Posted By CABG: Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Sorry about your money but I doubt they'll ever be reinstating him. Funny how much he wants to be here after bashing this board and threatening to sue some of us. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 3:56:07 PM
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Have you received a refund or is he saying he has to be unbanned here before he'll send it? |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 3:58:24 PM
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Really? So he's holding your money hostage for reinstatement to Arfcom? He shoulda thought about that, when he took your money and procceded to ignore and lie to you. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:05:46 PM
Arfcom will not bow to sewing terrorists!
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:38:54 PM
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Arfcom will not bow to sewing terrorists!  |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:40:56 PM
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Originally Posted By PBIR:
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Have you received a refund or is he saying he has to be unbanned here before he'll send it? I have received nothing from him. He wants me to have him unbanned and this thread deleted before he ever refunds my money. He then later says he could not care less about these threads because he receives "hundreds of customers" from them. He doesn't realize I'm not trying to hurt his business; I'm trying to get him to do the honest thing here, and experience proves asking him through an email does nothing. Edit: typo |
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Dog1
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:43:06 PM
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Originally Posted By CABG:
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Have you received a refund or is he saying he has to be unbanned here before he'll send it? I have received nothing from him. He wants me to have him unbanned and this thread deleted before he ever refunds my money. He then later says he could not care less about these threads because he receives hundreds of customers" from them. He doesn't realize I'm not trying to hurt his business; I'm trying to get him to do the honest thing here, and experiences proves asking him through an email does nothing. He is such a tool. He steals from you then have the balls to hold your refund hostage, because he does not like the thread? Utter bullshit that he get's "hundreds of customers" from a thread like this. More like hundreds avoid him like the thief that he is. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 4:55:27 PM
Originally Posted By CABG:
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Have you received a refund or is he saying he has to be unbanned here before he'll send it? I have received nothing from him. He wants me to have him unbanned and this thread deleted before he ever refunds my money. He then later says he could not care less about these threads because he receives "hundreds of customers" from them. He doesn't realize I'm not trying to hurt his business; I'm trying to get him to do the honest thing here, and experiences proves asking him through an email does nothing. What a tool. This guy is without honor. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 6:21:52 PM
Lets see..
Thief...check Blackmailer...check Basic well rounded douche bag...check Why is this joker not in a cell screaming for his mommy with his face buried in pillow?  |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 6:34:11 PM
If you have the documentation of this, I would file larceny (extortion) charges against him. Since this is across state lines, the FBI will have to get involved.
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Posted: 2/10/2012 8:46:30 PM
Originally Posted By CABG:
Originally Posted By PBIR:
Originally Posted By CABG:
Here is a quick update. On 1/14 I emailed my address again for the refund. The next day he replied (probably the quickest reply since he accepted the money). He flat out told me he wasn't going to speak to me again, and that I had to have him reinstated at ar15.com. I told him that if he did the honest thing and refunded my money, I would do what I could to have his account unlocked. I would have spent so much more money with him if he only did what was right in the beginning. Too bad I didn't read reviews of his actions before I mailed payment. Have you received a refund or is he saying he has to be unbanned here before he'll send it? I have received nothing from him. He wants me to have him unbanned and this thread deleted before he ever refunds my money. He then later says he could not care less about these threads because he receives "hundreds of customers" from them. He doesn't realize I'm not trying to hurt his business; I'm trying to get him to do the honest thing here, and experience proves asking him through an email does nothing. Edit: typo Honorless scumbag. Whatever he did in his past life is wiped away by his actions now. |
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Posted: 2/10/2012 8:59:11 PM
OP,
$500...ouch. In your honor: FJW. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 3:59:10 AM
I guess I am lucky, he seems to treat me alright. I've ordered thousands of dollars worth of kit from John and always had it shipped free and fast. He responds to his emails within 24 to 48 hours and the gear is literally bomb proof.
I just received a large order this week for me and my guys over here and everything was just fine. I know he can be short and abrupt - and I honestly think his Facebook page doesn't help his image - but me and a bunch of guys out here are very happy customers. His gear works and works well...you never have to worry about your gear taking a giant crap on you while on some distant FOB. I don't know the whole story, and if the OP and others were truly ripped off to that extent I wonder why charges weren't filed. I'm also wonder why a moderator has such a thread linked in his sig block...seems more than a little personal to me. I bet had this thread been about a different vendor or manufacturer, it would have been locked within 24 hours. Like I said, there is always two sides to a story, I would be happy to try to mediate this between the unhappy customers and John, although we have only ever communicated via email. I haven't asked him about this, but frankly I am sick of seeing him bashed around here. I do know John has always done what he said he would do, and I have no reason to doubt he will come through whenever I place an order. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 4:06:30 AM
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Originally Posted By JarHead94: The police do not become involved in small matters like this, they usually tell the buyer that it is a civil matter. If you can get him to make good on his older orders more power to you.
I guess I am lucky, he seems to treat me alright. I've ordered thousands of dollars worth of kit from John and always had it shipped free and fast. He responds to his emails within 24 to 48 hours and the gear is literally bomb proof. I just received a large order this week for me and my guys over here and everything was just fine. I know he can be short and abrupt - and I honestly think his Facebook page doesn't help his image - but me and a bunch of guys out here are very happy customers. His gear works and works well...you never have to worry about your gear taking a giant crap on you while on some distant FOB. I don't know the whole story, and if the OP and others were truly ripped off to that extent I wonder why charges weren't filed. I'm also wonder why a moderator has such a thread linked in his sig block...seems more than a little personal to me. I bet had this thread been about a different vendor or manufacturer, it would have been locked within 24 hours. Like I said, there is always two sides to a story, I would be happy to try to mediate this between the unhappy customers and John, although we have only ever communicated via email. I haven't asked him about this, but frankly I am sick of seeing him bashed around here. I do know John has always done what he said he would do, and I have no reason to doubt he will come through whenever I place an order. You have been here since 2001, you never saw other threads like this in my sig line before? |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 7:31:24 AM
Yep, been here awhile. I still remember the night I discovered this place and it's honestly one of the few places I visit on the web. I don't post much, but read a lot.
I realize after reading my previous post it sounded sorta like a call out to you, Aimless. It wasn't and I apologize for the tone if you took it as such. No, I don't recall seeing stuff like you currently have in your sig line. I hardly pay attention to such thing, which reminds me I probably need to change mine. I don't even remember who Echo Hotel is/was. I know there is always people who get burned or otherwise unhappy with companies on the web or on here in particular. Heck, most everyone on here swears by a certain company I started a thread about, but was left unsatisfied. I have no bone in this fight, but would assist if asked - though I have no affiliation with OSOE other than as a happy customer. The gear really is that damn good. I'd hate for someone to discount OSOE after reading this thread, because I feel that despite what has happened in the past with OSOE and in John's personal life (and how he comes across often times on Facebook), they are truly dedicated to making a quality product at a fair price and making customers happy. Maybe he treats customers who are downrange differently than customers who are not, I don't know since I've been downrange since I've started dealing with OSOE. I guess there was a ban or something and he can't or didn't successfully defend his side of the story. I feel for the customers who feel they were robbed or jilted...and as I've said I will email John and see what he says if asked to by the parties in question. Other than that, I just wanted voice my experiences and my opinions of the quality and the customer service provided to me by OSOE. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 7:53:28 AM
The problems with John Willis' reputation aren't just here. I've read similar issues at Lightfigher and Tactical Response's website. As a matter of fact, I even inquired into buying some kit from him years ago and he blew me off in dickhead fashion.
Based on everything I've ever seen or heard about the way he does business you're rolling the dice if you order anything directly from the guy. His gear is very good, but so are the offerings from plenty of other makers that don't have these sorts of issues. Therefore it makes no sense to risk ordering from him. I might buy some of his stuff second-hand, but no new items. If I were, him, I'd move heaven and earth to make the outstanding claims right, which would only leave room for his gear to speak for itself at that point. If that were all that was left everybody would be buying his shit. But what do I know about customer relations in the world of nylon? |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 8:39:07 AM
Originally Posted By JarHead94: I guess there was a ban or something and he can't or didn't successfully defend his side of the story. I feel for the customers who feel they were robbed or jilted...and as I've said I will email John and see what he says if asked to by the parties in question. Other than that, I just wanted voice my experiences and my opinions of the quality and the customer service provided to me by OSOE. John had ample opportunity to tell his side of the story in the Tactical Gear forum in any one of several threads on this subject over the last few years and he's never done so. He's well aware that there are people out there who never got their gear or their money back, and he clearly doesn't intend to do anything about it. He was even notified of this thread and asked to come here and discuss it. His failure to do so ultimately led to his ban. There's no doubt that John makes outstanding gear. He always has. His business ethics are the problem. It's easy to see how he could have gotten overwhelmed with orders back then and had these problems, but it's got to be close to five or six years since all of this started and he obviously doesn't intend to ever correct this situation. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 9:21:34 AM
Originally Posted By JarHead94:
I guess there was a ban or something and he can't or didn't successfully defend his side of the story. I feel for the customers who feel they were robbed or jilted...and as I've said I will email John and see what he says if asked to by the parties in question. Other than that, I just wanted voice my experiences and my opinions of the quality and the customer service provided to me by OSOE. I always find it amazing that people can read multiple threads/sources/whatever about a business ripping off it's customers......and yet they still find a reason to do business with them. These threads on Arfcom aren't the only ones out there. Guys have been bitching about being ripped off and/or ignored for years. I'm glad your dealings have been good. I'm glad he hasn't ripped you off....yet. Same deal with places like Botach. People tell horror stories about them across the internet. Then others keep getting suckered in by the prices until they too get ripped off/placed on a 2yr back order for something that was in stock/credit card continually charged month after month, etc, etc, etc. Jarhead, I hope you can get this guy his $500 worth of gear. Because so far, Willis has been nothing but a fucking scumbag thief. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 10:20:12 AM
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I removed him from the site because he was advertising in a tech section. If I thought he would comply with the rules and making good on his back orders I wouldn't have any problem letting him back. Like others have said. I have heard he makes nice stuff. The problem has always been when he sells directly, rather than through third parties, sometimes stuff does not get done or done right and it just never gets taken care of. if he could stick to selling through third parties or get some help with managing his own orders it seems like he'd be okay.
I made the mistake of letting ar15barrel.com stay on the site too long while having complaints about work not getting done. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 11:24:43 AM
John's problem is that when he does screw up, he's not man enough to admit it.
He gets defensive, pouts and then takes his ball, or in this case someone else's ball-ie money-and goes home. If you do a google search for him, there is a ton of complaints about him. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 4:22:06 PM
FJW.
I actually have a well made chest rig and some FAK pouches in one of the gear tubs...bought in the secondary market. IF he straightened out his house, he'd make more than enough to pay the OP. |
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Posted: 2/11/2012 5:08:45 PM
A few years back, I was going to order some items from him. He wanted the money up front. I thought this was a little odd at first. I did some research and found numerous complaints from guy's who prepaid for stuff they never received.
. That was enough to convince me to never order anything from him. Reading this thread only confirms that I made the right decision.
He is a thief. Plain and simple. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 8:04:53 PM
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I have ordered a custom chest rig from John directly and paid when it shipped (which is his new method I guess). I have recommended him to people many times over but after this and the constant ridiculousness he pulls on Facebook I am cutting all contact with him and will go out of my way to tell people how dishonest he is. I'm not even going to tell people who made the rig anymore.
ETA: As I suspected would happen he is now openly threatening me on Facebook as he has Aimless in the past. |
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i have no dog in this fight, but the way he conducts business on facebook turns me off from him. that and back in the day i asked him about doing a bit of custom work (read, i wanted a black buckle on his green cobra belt instead of the FDE one he offered so i could wear it in uniform), but he said he didnt have time for that. not a big deal, but that really pissed me off when he couldnt just swap a buckle out when he makes the next batch, especially when i made it known I was a Marine and couldnt wear a FDE buckle in uniform. for those that have done good business with him, great for you, personally i just have no reason to buy from him, i can get what i need elsewhere.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 9:22:35 PM
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Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids: . ETA: just saw the exchange between wes and john. interesting to say the least. Indeed. Funny how the over-the-top tough guy act turns into threats to "haul you ass into court every time you turn around" over Facebook comments. Yeah, that's how the real hardasses roll. I wonder if he actually has a lawyer that encourages this kind of thing. One can only imagine how many billable hours he'd rack up trying to sue people over semi-anonymous internet posts. ETA: Oh boy, now he brought me up. That's right, John, I did edit the posts where I said I thought you'd been convicted of something involving stolen government property after you sent me an email explaining that the stolen government property recovered when they raided your shop wasn't yours and that you were convicted of something else. I think I even apologized for it. Why wouldn't I? It was the right thing to do. I've got no personal beef with you and no reason to present incorrect information either. If it makes you feel good to think that your threat to sue me is the reason that I changed it rather than a desire on my part to actually present fair, factual information, then keep on thinking that. Here's what I posted in that thread a few months ago: I think that threatening to sue me is a bit much but I can also understand why someone wouldn't want people thinking he was a convicted thief, especially when he's in a business where people have to trust him enough to send him their money in exchange for merchandise. I stand corrected. John Willis was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm and NOT for theft or recieving stolen property. I apologize if anyone was led to believe that he was a convicted thief based on my post. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:04:17 PM
Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
. ETA: just saw the exchange between wes and john. interesting to say the least. Indeed. Funny how the over-the-top tough guy act turns into threats to "haul you ass into court every time you turn around" over Facebook comments. Yeah, that's how the real hardasses roll. I wonder if he actually has a lawyer that encourages this kind of thing. One can only imagine how many billable hours he'd rack up trying to sue people over semi-anonymous internet posts. ETA: Oh boy, now he brought me up. That's right, John, I did edit the posts where I said I thought you'd been convicted of something involving stolen government property after you sent me an email explaining that the stolen government property recovered when they raided your shop wasn't yours and that you were convicted of something else. I think I even apologized for it. Why wouldn't I? It was the right thing to do. I've got no personal beef with you and no reason to present incorrect information either. If it makes you feel good to think that your threat to sue me is the reason that I changed it rather than a desire on my part to actually present fair, factual information, then keep on thinking that. Here's what I posted in that thread a few months ago: I think that threatening to sue me is a bit much but I can also understand why someone wouldn't want people thinking he was a convicted thief, especially when he's in a business where people have to trust him enough to send him their money in exchange for merchandise.
I stand corrected. John Willis was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm and NOT for theft or recieving stolen property. I apologize if anyone was led to believe that he was a convicted thief based on my post. Did I miss something? When did this go down?? |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:16:59 PM
Originally Posted By tothemax: Originally Posted By joker581: Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids: . ETA: just saw the exchange between wes and john. interesting to say the least. Indeed. Funny how the over-the-top tough guy act turns into threats to "haul you ass into court every time you turn around" over Facebook comments. Yeah, that's how the real hardasses roll. I wonder if he actually has a lawyer that encourages this kind of thing. One can only imagine how many billable hours he'd rack up trying to sue people over semi-anonymous internet posts. ETA: Oh boy, now he brought me up. That's right, John, I did edit the posts where I said I thought you'd been convicted of something involving stolen government property after you sent me an email explaining that the stolen government property recovered when they raided your shop wasn't yours and that you were convicted of something else. I think I even apologized for it. Why wouldn't I? It was the right thing to do. I've got no personal beef with you and no reason to present incorrect information either. If it makes you feel good to think that your threat to sue me is the reason that I changed it rather than a desire on my part to actually present fair, factual information, then keep on thinking that. Here's what I posted in that thread a few months ago: I think that threatening to sue me is a bit much but I can also understand why someone wouldn't want people thinking he was a convicted thief, especially when he's in a business where people have to trust him enough to send him their money in exchange for merchandise. I stand corrected. John Willis was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm and NOT for theft or recieving stolen property. I apologize if anyone was led to believe that he was a convicted thief based on my post. Did I miss something? When did this go down?? Years ago. Maybe 2001 or 2002. |
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Dog1
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:21:28 PM
So this guy is a felon?
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tothemax
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:29:16 PM
Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By tothemax:
Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By NapeSticksToKids:
. ETA: just saw the exchange between wes and john. interesting to say the least. Indeed. Funny how the over-the-top tough guy act turns into threats to "haul you ass into court every time you turn around" over Facebook comments. Yeah, that's how the real hardasses roll. I wonder if he actually has a lawyer that encourages this kind of thing. One can only imagine how many billable hours he'd rack up trying to sue people over semi-anonymous internet posts. ETA: Oh boy, now he brought me up. That's right, John, I did edit the posts where I said I thought you'd been convicted of something involving stolen government property after you sent me an email explaining that the stolen government property recovered when they raided your shop wasn't yours and that you were convicted of something else. I think I even apologized for it. Why wouldn't I? It was the right thing to do. I've got no personal beef with you and no reason to present incorrect information either. If it makes you feel good to think that your threat to sue me is the reason that I changed it rather than a desire on my part to actually present fair, factual information, then keep on thinking that. Here's what I posted in that thread a few months ago: I think that threatening to sue me is a bit much but I can also understand why someone wouldn't want people thinking he was a convicted thief, especially when he's in a business where people have to trust him enough to send him their money in exchange for merchandise.
I stand corrected. John Willis was convicted of being a felon in possession of a firearm and NOT for theft or recieving stolen property. I apologize if anyone was led to believe that he was a convicted thief based on my post. Did I miss something? When did this go down?? Years ago. Maybe 2001 or 2002. No shit. Whats the story? Or do you have a link to it? |
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joker581
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Posted: 2/17/2012 5:38:28 PM
Originally Posted By tothemax: No shit. Whats the story? Or do you have a link to it? Here's a link to an archived thread where an email is posted in which he tells his side of it: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/346480__ARCHIVED_THREAD____FYI___OSOE_is_celebrating_their_4000th_fan_on_facebook_with_sale.html&page=2 |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 6:00:25 PM
I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks.
Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow |
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Dog1
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Posted: 2/17/2012 6:19:30 PM
[Last Edit: 2/17/2012 6:20:27 PM by Dog1]
Originally Posted By 19DAbn:
I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow That's great, glad it worked out for you, but I would not let him sew a dog leash for me. He is a thief, plain and simple. Not to mention a tool in the way he treats people. |
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theal
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Posted: 2/17/2012 6:24:15 PM
Originally Posted By 19DAbn: I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow That's fine, but the OP ordered and payed for his items from OSOE in 2006 |
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tothemax
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:16:09 PM
Originally Posted By joker581:
Originally Posted By tothemax:
No shit. Whats the story? Or do you have a link to it? Here's a link to an archived thread where an email is posted in which he tells his side of it: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/346480__ARCHIVED_THREAD____FYI___OSOE_is_celebrating_their_4000th_fan_on_facebook_with_sale.html&page=2 Interesting. Thanks for the link.. |
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johnreilly
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:31:38 PM
Originally Posted By 19DAbn:
I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow Wow amazing coincidence. You joined today and posted in this thread. |
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Dog1
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:34:43 PM
Originally Posted By johnreilly:
Originally Posted By 19DAbn:
I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow Wow amazing coincidence. You joined today and posted in this thread. Imagine that. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 8:23:34 PM
True I follow OSOE on FB and it actually made me check out the site so I joined. Not here to get into pissing contests just happened to be the first thing I put my $.02 in on.
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tothemax
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Posted: 2/17/2012 8:30:47 PM
Originally Posted By johnreilly:
Originally Posted By 19DAbn:
I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. All it took were some calls to fix the problem. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow Wow amazing coincidence. You joined today and posted in this thread. And in this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/362834_SOE.html&page=2 |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:18:45 PM
As far as the "you reap what you sow" comment. I don't remember threatening anyone.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:26:48 PM
So what I disagree w/ the majority and get pounced on is this how the site works? I thought this is how threads work and stuff?
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:34:00 PM
when did they start putting 19Ds in Vicenza?
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joker581
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:46:29 PM
[Last Edit: 2/17/2012 9:48:04 PM by joker581]
Originally Posted By 19DAbn: So what I disagree w/ the majority and get pounced on is this how the site works? I thought this is how threads work and stuff? What were you expecting, champagne and lap dances? At this point, you don't appear to be anything more than a shill for John Willis, who's been banned from this site. Those issues that you've "studied up on" haven't been resolved, and his current order processing isn't the issue. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:57:52 PM
Dude have I attacked anyone on here? I just posted my opinion same as everyone on here has. The only connection I have with the dude is when I order his shit. I dont even comment on his damn FB page I just see whats new . Saw the drama it mentioned AR15.com checked it looked like a good joint to talk about guns and gear so I joined and posted my opinions, I actually started a thread asking about fight light because I ordered some (through OP tactical)if that makes anyone feel better. I got other interests as well but if you want to continue the thread I will too.
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