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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:00:16 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:18:42 PM by Slug64]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I recieved an IM regarding my bst thread this morning. The user "Bennnn" is claiming me to be a welcher. The deal was never finalized. I replied to the IM on the way out the door to the FTW Gun Show today, I stated that I was open to the trade pending reply. I traded the item in question (CRKT RAZEL) while at the show today. I recieved an IM once home stating that he was also in for the trade. I informed him that unfortunately the item was traded and if there was anything else he would be interested in working out I would be more than happy to continue negotiations on the trade offer. The IM I recieved in reply was condisending and rude and trying to threaten me into "something" what exactly I'm not sure but either way it is unappreciated. So now I'm at a loss I'm not sure what to do as I dident welch but I also dont want to have to deal with him bringing up a welching post in here when I dident. MODS if you need a full copy of the PM's feel free to PM me. LINK TO THREAD: LINK (His reply to mine below) That's not cool. I responded to your acceptance of the trade FOUR MINUTES after you agreed. In my opinion this is a welch. I offered, you accepted, and asked for my address, I replied promptly, with my address. I think this needs to go to feedback and let the mods decide. I have every single IM saved both back and forth. Not cool. The main rule around here is keep your word, make a deal and stick to it. (Reply after returning from the show) Hi Ben, I'm sorry but the razel was traded today at the gunshow before I had heard back. If theres something else your interested feel free to let me know. Scotty Full PM SET And what "type" is it you don't like dude? The type like me who has been here a few years longer than you and has FIVE TIMES as much positive feedback as you do? This was a welch. I'll do it. Yes, the pants in my ad straight trade for your CRKT Razel. Deal. Address ************ Address Get me your address and I'll get it right out when the P.O. opens up. Hi,
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today. Regards Scotty That's not cool.
I responded to your acceptance of the trade FOUR MINUTES after you agreed. In my opinion this is a welch. I offered, you accepted, and asked for my address, I replied promptly, with my address. I think this needs to go to feedback and let the mods decide. I have every single IM saved both back and forth. Not cool. The main rule around here is keep your word, make a deal and stick to it. Hi Ben,
I'm sorry but the razel was traded today at the gunshow before I had heard back. If theres something else your interested feel free to let me know. Scotty I'll do it. Yes, the pants in my ad straight trade for your CRKT Razel.
Deal. ************ Address Address Get me your address and I'll get it right out when the P.O. opens up. Hi,
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today. Regards Scotty Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I've already talked to WILSON about it.
He advised me to post negative feedback after I forwarded him all of the messages and the link to where I edited my ad post right after you agreed. You are in the wrong. Negative feedback has been posted. There are no "antics". You made a deal, you welched. I will not communicate with you any longer through IM's tjis will go to feedback. Hi,
Already Presented to MODS. I dont appreciate your antics. I replied promptly after returning to let you know the deal would not be completed. The deal was never finalized. In the future please do not contact or offer to do business with me. I do not like your type and prefer to not ever hear from you again. Scotty That's not cool.
I responded to your acceptance of the trade FOUR MINUTES after you agreed. In my opinion this is a welch. I offered, you accepted, and asked for my address, I replied promptly, with my address. I think this needs to go to feedback and let the mods decide. I have every single IM saved both back and forth. Not cool. The main rule around here is keep your word, make a deal and stick to it. Hi Ben,
I'm sorry but the razel was traded today at the gunshow before I had heard back. If theres something else your interested feel free to let me know. Scotty I'll do it. Yes, the pants in my ad straight trade for your CRKT Razel.
Deal. Address ************* ADDRESS Get me your address and I'll get it right out when the P.O. opens up. Hi,
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today. Regards Scotty Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. I would be interested if it was a top however Im not looking for pants thank you though. If you come acrosss an XXL Top in coyote or foliage Im in. Also fyi for xxl tops most guys will need xl bottoms. If you think of anything else for trade let me know. Thanks Scotty How about if I trade you straight for ONLY the Razel? I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. I would be interested if it was a top however Im not looking for pants thank you though. If you come acrosss an XXL Top in coyote or foliage Im in. Also fyi for xxl tops most guys will need xl bottoms. If you think of anything else for trade let me know. Thanks Scotty How about if I trade you straight for ONLY the Razel? Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. I would be interested if it was a top however Im not looking for pants thank you though. If you come acrosss an XXL Top in coyote or foliage Im in. Also fyi for xxl tops most guys will need xl bottoms. If you think of anything else for trade let me know. Thanks Scotty How about if I trade you straight for ONLY the Razel? Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. I would be interested if it was a top however Im not looking for pants thank you though. If you come acrosss an XXL Top in coyote or foliage Im in. Also fyi for xxl tops most guys will need xl bottoms. If you think of anything else for trade let me know. Thanks Scotty How about if I trade you straight for ONLY the Razel? Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. -CRKT Ringed Razel Great shape -$50
-CRKT M1 Lightfoot Great Shape Discontinued Very Rare razor sharp edge -$50 I'll trade you this for both of those. We each pay our own shipping? Check out my feedback. |
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bennnn
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:18:21 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:25:05 PM by bennnn]
Originally Posted By Slug64:
Hi Mods, I recieved an IM regarding my bst thread this morning. The user "Bennnn" is claiming me to be a welcher. The deal was never finalized. I replied to the IM on the way out the door to the FTW Gun Show today, I stated that I was open to the trade pending reply. I traded the item in question (CRKT RAZEL) while at the show today. I recieved an IM once home stating that he was also in for the trade. I informed him that unfortunately the item was traded and if there was anything else he would be interested in working out I would be more than happy to continue negotiations on the trade offer. The IM I recieved in reply was condisending and rude and trying to threaten me into "something" what exactly I'm not sure but either way it is unappreciated. So now I'm at a loss I'm not sure what to do as I dident welch but I also dont want to have to deal with him bringing up a welching post in here when I dident. MODS if you need a full copy of the PM's feel free to PM me. LINK TO THREAD: LINK (His reply to mine below) That's not cool. I responded to your acceptance of the trade FOUR MINUTES after you agreed. In my opinion this is a welch. I offered, you accepted, and asked for my address, I replied promptly, with my address. I think this needs to go to feedback and let the mods decide. I have every single IM saved both back and forth. Not cool. The main rule around here is keep your word, make a deal and stick to it. (Reply after returning from the show) Hi Ben, I'm sorry but the razel was traded today at the gunshow before I had heard back. If theres something else your interested feel free to let me know. Scotty Here I am buddy. You did not send me a link to this, I found it on my own. You left out the rest of the IM's which I have already forwarded to WILSON, and a link to your ad, where my last edit agreeing to your terms in our IM's has been untouched since early this afternoon. You agreed to the deal, then you welched. Simple. Since we're here this can be the thread where it plays out. Here is the complete IM string, with my address removed. The original has already been forwarded to WILSON. Hi,
Already Presented to MODS. I dont appreciate your antics. I replied promptly after returning to let you know the deal would not be completed. The deal was never finalized. In the future please do not contact or offer to do business with me. I do not like your type and prefer to not ever hear from you again. Scotty That's not cool.
I responded to your acceptance of the trade FOUR MINUTES after you agreed. In my opinion this is a welch. I offered, you accepted, and asked for my address, I replied promptly, with my address. I think this needs to go to feedback and let the mods decide. I have every single IM saved both back and forth. Not cool. The main rule around here is keep your word, make a deal and stick to it. Hi Ben,
I'm sorry but the razel was traded today at the gunshow before I had heard back. If theres something else your interested feel free to let me know. Scotty I'll do it. Yes, the pants in my ad straight trade for your CRKT Razel.
Deal. Ben ADDRESS REMOVED Get me your address and I'll get it right out when the P.O. opens up. Hi,
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today. Regards Scotty Duh, forgot to mention that I will add the $25 to make up the difference,, AND we pay our own shipping.
I got in a hurry writing that message. Let me know. I would be interested if it was a top however Im not looking for pants thank you though. If you come acrosss an XXL Top in coyote or foliage Im in. Also fyi for xxl tops most guys will need xl bottoms. If you think of anything else for trade let me know. Thanks Scotty How about if I trade you straight for ONLY the Razel? |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:21:18 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:29:40 PM by Slug64]
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today.
Regards Scotty I'm not your "buddy", I'm glad your a resourcful searcher as it was the first thread in this section  .
This is uncalled for I was never anything but polite. I never finalized the deal. Why your so bent out of shape wether you had a bad day or what its not a justification to be an asshole. Notice what is in red. That is the LAST message I sent you before returning home and you throwing your fit. Wow so many years wish I could find the account I had from 04. Because you have "YEARS" more experience than me and are such an amazing user with "TWICE" as much feedback as I have. If I cared about feedback and actually asked users to leave it I would put yours to shame by 4x+. PLEASE Quit messaging me directly I DO NOT EVER WISH TO DEAL WITH YOU AGAIN. I DID NOT WELCH. THE DEAL WAS NOT FINALIZED. Scotty _ Here I am buddy. You did not send me a link to this, I found it on my own. You left out the rest of the IM's which I have already forwarded to WILSON, and a link to your ad, where my last edit agreeing to your terms in our IM's has been untouched since early this afternoon. You agreed to the deal, then you welched. Simple. Since we're here this can be the thread where it plays out. Here is the complete IM string, with my address removed. The original has already been forwarded to WILSON. |
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bennnn
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:28:16 PM
Apparently you don't understand how things go around here.
You accepted my offer and asked for my address. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:32:21 PM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today.
Regards Scotty I'm not your "buddy", I'm glad your a resourcful searcher as it was the first thread in this section .
This is uncalled for I was never anything but polite. I never finalized the deal. Why your so bent out of shape wether you had a bad day or what its not a justification to be an asshole. Notice what is in red. That is the LAST message I sent you before returning home and you throwing your fit. Wow so many years wish I could find the account I had from 04. Because you have "YEARS" more experience than me and are such an amazing user with "TWICE" as much feedback as I have. If I cared about feedback and actually asked users to leave it I would put yours to shame by 4x+. PLEASE Quit messaging me directly I DO NOT EVER WISH TO DEAL WITH YOU AGAIN. I DID NOT WELCH. THE DEAL WAS NOT FINALIZED. Scotty _ Here I am buddy. You did not send me a link to this, I found it on my own. You left out the rest of the IM's which I have already forwarded to WILSON, and a link to your ad, where my last edit agreeing to your terms in our IM's has been untouched since early this afternoon. You agreed to the deal, then you welched. Simple. Since we're here this can be the thread where it plays out. Here is the complete IM string, with my address removed. The original has already been forwarded to WILSON. I'll just leave this quote as my last post in this thread until Site Staff is involved, your self quote is kind of a coffin nail. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:32:42 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:36:07 PM by Slug64]
 Great Quote!
Well Gee I guess I sure don't know how things go around here... 
Ravaging assholes from GD wondering off the path is all I'm seeing... I re-pasted the quote below just in case you passed it up above. I said we "could" as in possibly pending reply and was waiting to hear back. Before hearing back (regardless of your arbitrary 4 min argument as I had already left the house). The trade would have been finalized upon my return except I traded the knife. Get over your self your being an asshole. Sad is all I have to say. 
We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today.
Regards Scotty |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:39:00 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:39:48 PM by WILSON]
Is there too much anger built up to get this worked out amicably?
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bennnn
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:41:09 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:43:05 PM by WILSON]
Originally Posted By WILSON:
Is there too much anger built up to get this worked out amicably? I'm good, no anger here. He welched. He saved me the trouble of posting a -1 thread. Now lets get it finished, I believe the -1 I posted should stand. If I am wrong I will move on. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:43:01 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:44:28 PM by bennnn]
He has left a few important things out of those IM's he keeps editing in this thread, I have them in my inbox. Look above at all the edits to his posts, he keeps changing them over and over again.
If an IM is going to be posted in the thread, post the complete string. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:44:26 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:45:20 PM by Slug64]
I have no anger. I've had a great day.
Wilson if its a -1 so be it. I didn't welch in my eyes, however bennnn sees this differently. To me the deal would have been final pending his reply and my acceptance. Scotty EDIT: That is not an incomplete PM string thats ALL of them. EDIT: Your still just being a Jerk. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:45:28 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:47:16 PM by WILSON]
Slug64, did you really change your mind in ... only FOUR minutes?
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:45:30 PM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
I have no anger. I've had a great day. Wilson if its a -1 so be it. I didn't welch in my eyes, however bennnn sees this differently. To me the deal would have been final pending his reply and my acceptance. Scotty We already did that part once. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:48:28 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:51:15 PM by bennnn]
Originally Posted By Slug64:
I have no anger. I've had a great day. Wilson if its a -1 so be it. I didn't welch in my eyes, however bennnn sees this differently. To me the deal would have been final pending his reply and my acceptance. Scotty EDIT: That is not an incomplete PM string thats ALL of them. EDIT: Your still just being a Jerk. Bullshit. You removed the one you sent me saying "I don't like your type" and other things. I have it in it's complete form. ETA: for clarity, I see that it is there lower down. Disregard the above post, but, You welched on the deal. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:48:49 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:50:08 PM by Slug64]
4 minutes? Sorry wilson Im not grasping what your asking.
Hes saying he sent a reply in 4 minutes. It doesent matter its arbitrary as I was already out of the house. I didn't receive it until I returned home from the show. EDIT: I dont save a copy of my sent items so if I said it and you dident reply back to that exact PM then I dont have a copy. Feel free to post it tho. To sum up it says please do not cantact me, I dont like your type, etc. etc. |
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bennnn
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:53:29 PM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
4 minutes? Sorry wilson Im not grasping what your asking. Hes saying he sent a reply in 4 minutes. It doesent matter its arbitrary as I was already out of the house. I didn't receive it until I returned home from the show. EDIT: I dont save a copy of my sent items so if I said it and you dident reply back to that exact PM then I dont have a copy. Feel free to post it tho. To sum up it says please do not cantact me, I dont like your type, etc. etc. WISLON has every single IM between us in order, all of them. He is referring to you saying we could do the deal, and asking for my address, then me responding with my address 4 minutes later. Several hours later, you welched. |
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:53:55 PM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
Great Quote!Well Gee I guess I sure don't know how things go around here... Ravaging assholes from GD wondering off the path is all I'm seeing... I re-pasted the quote below just in case you passed it up above. I said we "could" as in possibly pending reply and was waiting to hear back. Before hearing back (regardless of your arbitrary 4 min argument as I had already left the house). The trade would have been finalized upon my return except I traded the knife. Get over your self your being an asshole. Sad is all I have to say. We could do that if you wanted. If you would like to do that send em your address and Ill send you mine when I get back from the show today. Regards Scotty Also, why would you knowingly take the item to the gunshow if you already had a potential deal set up?
Seems to me like if Bennnn is correct in the fact that you don't know how things work in the EE.
Just my 2 cents.
Wilson, if you'd like for me to bow out of this thread I will.
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:57:41 PM
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 11:58:21 PM by bennnn]
The number next to the word "feedback" above is a convenient reminder that I know a whole lot more about arfcom than the joking around that goes on in GD, BTW.
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Posted: 10/2/2011 11:58:53 PM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
Hes saying he sent a reply in 4 minutes. It doesent matter its arbitrary as I was already out of the house. I didn't receive it until I returned home from the show. I agree it's arbitrary, but his must have been the first offer, and unless I'm missing something, you accepted the offer then changed your mind? If so, you may have to take a negative feedback hit over this. |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:01:28 AM
TX-Patriot - I have no issue with your input.
I had no confirmation that the deal was complete if I had I would have honored the trade. There have been countless times where a trade has gotten this far and then the other user just blanks out and I never hear back. With the deal NOT being set in concrete I took everything i had listed for trade with me to the gun show. A knife maker at the show wanted the knife in trade and seeing as how the deal was not complete I traded it. I pm'ed the user when I got home after recieving his message with address etc that the item in question had been traded that day. I have not welched. The deal was still not complete. |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:02:35 AM
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:06:22 AM by bennnn]
Originally Posted By Slug64:
TX-Patriot - I have no issue with your input. I had no confirmation that the deal was complete if I had I would have honored the trade. There have been countless times where a trade has gotten this far and then the other user just blanks out and I never hear back. With the deal NOT being set in concrete I took everything i had listed for trade with me to the gun show. A knife maker at the show wanted the knife in trade and seeing as how the deal was not complete I traded it. I pm'ed the user when I got home after recieving his message with address etc that the item in question had been traded that day. I have not welched. The deal was still not complete. Bullshit, and if you believe that crap you not only need to have a -1 you need to be gone. BTW, this is my word against yours, I SAW THAT YOU HAD READ MY REPLY IN MY SENT BOX VERY SOON AFTER I SENT IT. Not after you "got home from the show". That's my word on it. |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:04:08 AM
Originally Posted By TX_Patriot:
Wilson, if you'd like for me to bow out of this thread I will. No. I generally welcome reasonable input from peers (as long as they're not trying to make things even worse). |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:06:27 AM
I accepted the offer pending reply.
I did not receive the reply until I returned home regardless of when it was sent. If thats a -1 so be it. Wilson if you do in fact feel that this is a welch please link the feedback to this thread to explain why it was left. Please let it be noted that I did not welch. The user has a vendetta and wants to take it out on someone. What a ridiculous issue to have with someone. Either way its not a big deal just sad. Scotty |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:07:40 AM
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:10:00 AM by Slug64]
YOUR SO FULL OF SHIT!
Wilson check my log in / log out times if you would like. Bennnn your just spouting fucking bullshit. Your word is WORTHLESS at this point your a fucking liar. Now that youve realized it your word vs. mine you taking out all the stops. INCLUDING LIES! |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:09:04 AM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
I accepted the offer pending reply. I did not receive the reply until I returned home regardless of when it was sent. If thats a -1 so be it. Wilson if you do in fact feel that this is a welch please link the feedback to this thread to explain why it was left. Please let it be noted that I did not welch. The user has a vendetta and wants to take it out on someone. What a ridiculous issue to have with someone. Either way its not a big deal just sad. Scotty What the hell are you talking about? I have a "vendetta" WTF? The only reason this thread and this crap is going on is that you made a deal with me and welched. See my post above, with the bold red letters, explain that. |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:11:46 AM
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:12:14 AM by Slug64]
Sure I'll go right ahead and explain that.
YOUR A LIAR! Sorry for the words Wilson this guy is lieing his ass off now. This is ridiculous just give me the -1 and let this guy lie to someone else. Scotty EDIT: CAN YOU READ THAT IN RED? |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:14:50 AM
Originally Posted By Slug64:
YOUR SO FULL OF SHIT! Wilson check my log in / log out times if you would like. Bennnn your just spouting fucking bullshit. Your word is WORTHLESS at this point your a fucking liar. Now that youve realized it your word vs. mine you taking out all the stops. INCLUDING LIES! That's not the way I see it. If I am mistaken and your log out proves it impossible I will stand corrected, but I am pretty sure that when I checked my sent box the message was not in bold. I was happy we had made a deal and I checked it to make sure my reply went through, I have had messages disappear in the past, I wanted to be sure about that one. Calling me a kid and using all this irrational language is not helping your case. I'm pushing 40 BTW. |
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Posted: 10/3/2011 12:14:51 AM
[Last Edit: 10/3/2011 12:21:03 AM by WILSON]
I have to be at work in four and a half hours, and I'm tired as hell.
I'm locking this until get off tomorrow so it doesn't turn into a circus (unless Slug64 tells me to leave it locked).  |
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