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Posted: 7/18/2017 8:14:23 PM EDT
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I wonder if its the "B" in TRB that has people turned off on HKPro? Let us know how it runs and how it compares to your Titan.
Surprised this one sold for so much: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/667635190 |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 2:58:21 AM EDT
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I wonder if its the "B" in TRB that has people turned off on HKPro? Let us know how it runs and how it compares to your Titan. Surprised this one sold for so much: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/667635190 
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Posted: 7/19/2017 9:37:06 AM EDT
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Interesting - I'll be keeping an eye on this.
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Posted: 7/19/2017 11:11:07 AM EDT
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That's the ugliest logo I've ever seen. Well, except spider dicks. I hope it is only on the surface.
I've been wanting a stripped upper to assemble a spare top half, but don't want to pay HK prices for it. One of theirs would do the trick nicely, if they are to spec. Hk pro likes to control the narrative, and don't want trailer park copies to dilute the eliteness of their rifles. 'It's not a clone of an HK design'. I guess they're saying that HK copied the AR, and copies of HK copies of ARs are not allowed. |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 3:57:14 PM EDT
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I guess they're saying that HK copied the AR, and copies of HK copies of ARs are not allowed. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 12:14:06 PM EDT
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The bore and chamber are not nitrided. Just the outside.
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Posted: 7/30/2017 11:37:59 PM EDT
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very interested in these...
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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:51:40 AM EDT
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HK Pro has had a long history with the man behind this product, and most likely does not want to do anything to promote him and/or directly put money into his hands and continue the decades-long drama. It wasn't until he ran into the shadows that they even allowed discussion of clones.
Looks interesting to play around with and might be serviceable, but to expect it to be a viable "in spec" stand-in for a 416 or Mister upper is probably asking too much. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 6:35:31 AM EDT
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Perhaps they should say so...
The excuses they are making make them look stupid. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 9:28:36 AM EDT
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HK Pro has had a long history with the man behind this product, and most likely does not want to do anything to promote him and/or directly put money into his hands and continue the decades-long drama. It wasn't until he ran into the shadows that they even allowed discussion of clones. Looks interesting to play around with and might be serviceable, but to expect it to be a viable "in spec" stand-in for a 416 or Mister upper is probably asking too much. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 9:58:28 AM EDT
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Perhaps they should say so... The excuses they are making make them look stupid. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/474574_Titan_Defense_HK416_Clone_Uppers.html I can understand why they do it, and in my opinion, it's smart. To put it into writing along with his name only invites more drama in the form of shill posting, libel suits, etc. This arena is not immune to the litigious disease, just look at how many gun & knife manufacturers have sued online posters for libel over the years. The man has certainly put out a lot of serviceable products over the years; some were not so serviceable. The man's character, or lack thereof, is what created this situation on the other board. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:29:35 AM EDT
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...just look at how many gun & knife manufacturers have sued online posters for libel over the years. If they enjoy discussing their crap online, I'm sure they'll talk about it in court as well (but it does suck to go). Seems like a great burden to the company, unless they can show the statements are false. In the case of Todd and company, I doubt they'd be able to show that for most of them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 3:59:27 PM EDT
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Where can I look at that? I wasn't aware of this.
There's more, but those are top o' mind. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 8:41:54 PM EDT
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Those first 2 were dismissed. Smith suit was BS, and Fireclean really is unsaturated vegetable oil.
Microtech settled with blogger Anthony Sculimbrene because he apparently admitted to the defamation. He agreed to do 700 hours of service for them. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 9:17:02 AM EDT
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The outcome of any given case doesn't matter much. You'll go broke defending yourself in court against this crap. The guy in the SEI suit had to crowdsource to try and pay his legal bills, and he was in debt afterwards. I'm pretty sure Andrew did the same crowdsourcing for the FireClean debacle. I think the guy in the Microtech case took his lashings and didn't want his bills to escalate.
Given all of this, it's pretty easy to see why a forum would simply have a persona non grata policy when the people/companies are known to be drama queens. "Makes em look dumb" just doesn't seem to be accurate in this regard. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:03:58 AM EDT
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Not necessarily. The guy in the SEI suit really did post crap (mostly that he made up), although SEI's reaction was extravagant. Andrew's FireClean article and the testing he had performed were both questionable. The testing was not very accurate. He should've just looked at their patent. All the info on formulations they tried is in there. He was largely correct about vegetable oil though, so it was dismissed because FireClean could not show that everything he stated was untrue, or that he had any intent to harm them.
So the details do matter. Defense is relatively inexpensive if you've done nothing wrong. You can defend yourself. You won't have to, if you don't lie or fabricate things to enhance your BS story. The plaintiff has to prove your statements are untrue. Like I said, when it comes to Todd and friends, there are plenty of true stories. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:26:25 AM EDT
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Given all of this, it's pretty easy to see why a forum would simply have a persona non grata policy when the people/companies are known to be drama queens. "Makes em look dumb" just doesn't seem to be accurate in this regard. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:13:15 PM EDT
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They'll allow "AR" discussion in their premium area, by paying members. Drama queens exist on all forums and I've observed the majority of HKpro members/admins to have an elitist attitude, especially when it comes to clones. Some admins there (straightgrain) are big into NFATCA. I'm sure you remember them from the ATF 41P debacle. |
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Posted: 8/5/2017 7:46:16 AM EDT
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Defense is relatively inexpensive if you've done nothing wrong. You can defend yourself. You won't have to, if you don't lie or fabricate things to enhance your BS story. The rest I won't even address because this is supposed to be a tech forum. <out> |
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Posted: 8/12/2017 10:24:08 PM EDT
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But do we know that its Todd Bailey behind it or not? Everyone talks bad about the guy, but he did keep the HK94/MP5 clone market alive in the 90/2000's. |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 10:54:12 AM EDT
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I bought mine directly from Todd as a "blem".
Scott |
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Posted: 9/10/2017 2:32:51 PM EDT
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What's the word on these?
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Posted: 9/14/2017 1:40:38 PM EDT
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Forget this thing. Their IG account said they are about finished with an mp7 clone in 5.7x28. I will absolutely purchase one of those if it's a faithful reproduction.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 2:53:16 PM EDT
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Without knowing anything, I'm going to seriously doubt its faithfulness.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 7:57:33 PM EDT
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Forget this thing. Their IG account said they are about finished with an mp7 clone in 5.7x28. I will absolutely purchase one of those if it's a faithful reproduction. |
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Posted: 9/14/2017 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Link please.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 11:18:26 PM EDT
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Tag for interest... Which IG account? I looked back. It said "g36 is almost done. mp7 is next." |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:17:57 PM EDT
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I got mine in today and play to take it out tomorrow. I'll post some pics and what not after. Or bitch up a storm if it sucks.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 3:36:27 PM EDT
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Just took it out, it lasted about 32 rounds. It's locked up and down for the count.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 4:09:58 PM EDT
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Just took it out, it lasted about 32 rounds. It's locked up and down for the count. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 4:20:30 PM EDT
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I would say so. I sent the seller an email and I'm waiting for a response. The piston is so jammed up I'm going to have to take the buffer tube off to get the bolt out so I can break the upper and lower apart.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:45:27 PM EDT
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If its anything like some of the old Titan guns which are the same thing I have seen upper receivers which were not made straight. Literally crooked. The carrier would bind slightly going through its cycle and you could see it when looking from the top down onto the lower.
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