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Posted: 5/1/2017 8:39:09 PM EDT
...date code 1981. 100% factory original.
3 stock sets including a collapsible set. 35 steel mags brass deflector mag loading tool I know exactly 0 about these rifles. What are the top 3 things that I should look for to weed out defects or replaced parts that would diminish the value? What would be a reasonable offer price? 
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Posted: 5/1/2017 8:51:19 PM EDT
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One fine main battle rifle. What is the owner asking for it??? I thought they where going 2 to 3 grand. But I could be way off.
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Posted: 5/1/2017 8:55:53 PM EDT
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$2,700 in cash or trades for ammo.
My opening offer was 11,000 rounds of factory 115 gr. 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 9:27:00 PM EDT
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The butt pad has been replaced with a 21 style wider and softer part. You have 3 stocks in the deal the other might be the stock original.
The collapsible stock is worth maybe $150. Steel mags are worth $3 or $4 ea. The buffer is $30 and WILL ALWAYS leave ugly scratches if/when removed so leave it there. Semi-crappy pics but the condition appears pretty decent for what's on the market these days. The color should be blue-ish. The bolt gap should be checked as it will greatly affect the value of the rifle. That rifle doesn't look beat up so you are likely good to go anyways but it's a good idea to know what the gap is. With the extras the price is a bit high. Maybe $2200 now. The gun market softened greatly with the election of Trump. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 9:54:09 PM EDT
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I don't shop for HK's in the same place that Eyegun does..wish I did. I paid more than your price for an HK91 and it was after Trump was elected. Mine's a bit earlier gun a '77. I also have an A3 stock. I don't think the price is bad at all - not for my area anyways. It's not like they are ever going to make anymore and that's a fact regardless of who sits in the white house.
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:07:18 AM EDT
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not sure the more collectible stuff was really impacted by Trump being elected. I have seen a couple of these sell and for whatever reason, they have gone up quite a bit and narrowed most of the gap with the 93 series.
If he is asking $3K, that may not be unreasonable. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:19:36 PM EDT
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If you rather have a cheap HK copy, don't buy it...
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Posted: 5/8/2017 10:47:41 PM EDT
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If it's under 3k and you want it, pull the trigger. I wouldn't spend over 3k on a 91.(that's just me though) Condition is the key. I've seen very good to excellent ones in the 2500+range and beaters in the 2k range.
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Posted: 5/13/2017 11:33:54 AM EDT
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I wouldn't do more than 2k because
1. for 2500 to 3000 you can get much much better weapons like a Scar 2. HK is building a factory here in the states and if they build new ones they may be cheaper 3. They may them in Turkey on HK tools for under 2k if I remember correctly |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 2:16:16 PM EDT
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Only the German 91's will have polygon rifling. Everywhere else, even built under a HK licenses, will be conventional rifled instead.
To be blunt, the hammer forged poly rifled barrel is the main reason that the PSG-1 and MSG-90 put down the tight groups they do for 20+ round strings. Not only is it less susceptible to barrel fouling, but the rifling itself produces faster FPS speeds as well. Now getting past that, there are some great licensed produced 91 rifle produced away from the German factory. As for the 91 Series rifle, short of the MP-5 that is still being produced, German has stopped making 91's them a while ago, and they will not be produced in the states from HK as well. So regarding a German made HK-91 with hammer forged poly rifling, your looking at 2K to 3K for one in decent shape. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 3:41:38 PM EDT
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eyegun analysis is spot on.
OP, why are you interested in buying, there are much better options out there now for a 7.62 battle rifle, many at same or lower cost. If you want just because, fine, if you want it to add to collection, fine, but to get it because you want the best 7.62 $2700 can buy, this is not it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2017 3:46:05 PM EDT
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The only reason to buy this is for an addition to a collection.
You can get a PTR-91 for a shooter. Hell you can get two of them and have a shit ton of mags and ammo for what he is asking. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 8:21:14 AM EDT
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I wouldn't do more than 2k because 1. for 2500 to 3000 you can get much much better weapons like a Scar 2. HK is building a factory here in the states and if they build new ones they may be cheaper 3. They may them in Turkey on HK tools for under 2k if I remember correctly Even if a new one is built here the old ones will retain their value. |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:43:31 AM EDT
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Beautiful weapon. I'd probably give 2500 happily. Some of the 91s priced on gb for around that price are a bit rougher looking. Best thing is to check bolt gap with a pair of feeler gauges that you can pick up cheap from an auto parts store. Acceptable bolt gap is 0.012 - 0.018". If the gun has under 50-100 rounds through it I believe it's possible for the bolt gap to be .01" as there is a slight breaking in process. Anything under that and I wouldn't touch it. These are heavy rifles and ergonomics aren't great but works good for me. Accuracy on average can be 1.5-2" with match ammo. (Ptr's may be more accurate). A scar 17s is the ONLY battle rifle I would take over a hk91.
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:48:07 AM EDT
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I'd buy it
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Posted: 5/14/2017 11:50:03 AM EDT
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I wouldn't do more than 2k because 1. for 2500 to 3000 you can get much much better weapons like a Scar 2. HK is building a factory here in the states and if they build new ones they may be cheaper 3. They may them in Turkey on HK tools for under 2k if I remember correctly |
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Posted: 5/14/2017 12:02:28 PM EDT
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I have a few clones and a couple that I rolled my own.
My HK91 is still my favorite of them. Zeiss scope. Williams set trigger. G3SG1 stock. For a sheet metal gun it shoots well. |
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Posted: 5/15/2017 6:21:47 PM EDT
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If its 100% mint and you want to buy it for a collection, and its under $3k.. i say do it. If its under $2500 do it now. If you want to actually shoot it, and its mint, just get a PTR.
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Posted: 6/9/2017 10:24:54 PM EDT
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I've owned an HK91, FN LAR (semi-auto version of the FAL), and the Galil AR (.308 caliber). The best rifle of the bunch bar none was the Galil AR. Standard magazines were 25rd. The standard stock was a folding stock which was very similar to the FN FAL Paratrooper model folding stock. The Galil came standard with back up/flip up tritium night sights. The Galil had the softest recoil of the three mentioned .308 rifles, was the most accurate, and was the most reliable.
Galil AR 
Gail ARM (a little more expensive than the AR because of the wood forearm 
If you have $3,000 to spend, I would forget the HK91 and find a Galil AR or ARM in .308. It is a much better rifle. If you still want the HK91, then make sure you buy some extra roller retaining pins. I had an MP5 and these pins were always breaking. HK roller retaining pin 
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Posted: 6/10/2017 1:08:53 PM EDT
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To be blunt, the hammer forged poly rifled barrel is the main reason that the PSG-1 and MSG-90 put down the tight groups they do for 20+ round strings. . they produce those groups because they reject so many barrels to get a great barrel if poly barrels were so great they would be used exclusively in all match comps |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 1:53:17 PM EDT
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HK made a .22 conversion kit for it, too.
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Posted: 7/11/2017 12:50:14 PM EDT
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I bought a New HK91 in original box before Trump was elected. I paid $3800 shipped. Oh well I'm a HK collector.......
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Posted: 7/11/2017 1:26:03 PM EDT
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I bought a New HK91 in original box before Trump was elected. I paid $3800 shipped. Oh well I'm a HK collector....... |
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Posted: 7/11/2017 6:28:59 PM EDT
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Only the German 91's will have polygon rifling. Everywhere else, even built under a HK licenses, will be conventional rifled instead. To be blunt, the hammer forged poly rifled barrel is the main reason that the PSG-1 and MSG-90 put down the tight groups they do for 20+ round strings. Not only is it less susceptible to barrel fouling, but the rifling itself produces faster FPS speeds as well. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:18:59 PM EDT
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To be a real HK-91 (not just produced by a licensed manufacturer away from Germany that there a shit loads of), then is needed to be produced by HK in Germany.
All the HK-91 rifle produced out of the HK Germany, have a hammer forged barrel that is polygon rifled (including chamber and it's fluting at the time of hammer forging as well). The entire barrel is, chamber fluting, and polygon barrel rifling at the same time of hammer forging of the barrel. From there, the barrel is profiled and ready to install in the rifle. If you have a conventional rifled barrel in a German receiver HK-91, then it's an after market barrel or the receiver was not completed by HK Germany as a completed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:26:53 PM EDT
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if poly barrels were so great they would be used exclusively in all match comps Hence the PSG-1 has to shoot a 1moa at 300 meters for 50 rounds (3" group or tighter at 300 meters for all 50 rounds fired) or it does not leave the factory. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:07:03 PM EDT
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Either our terminology is incorrect or I don't think you are correct. Relatively few German HK91's have polygonal rifling. Mine was made in 1977, is a SAC import is all original (everything has that beautiful early blue/grey finish) - but does NOT have polygonal rifling. Earl
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To be a real HK-91 (not just produced by a licensed manufacturer away from Germany that there a shit loads of), then is needed to be produced by HK in Germany. All the HK-91 rifle produced out of the HK Germany, have a hammer forged barrel that is polygon rifled (including chamber and it's fluting at the time of hammer forging as well). The entire barrel is, chamber fluting, and polygon barrel rifling at the same time of hammer forging of the barrel. From there, the barrel is profiled and ready to install in the rifle. If you have a conventional rifled barrel in a German receiver HK-91, then it's an after market barrel or the receiver was not completed by HK Germany as a completed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:40:25 PM EDT
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I have an IB (1981) rifle that does NOT have polygonal rifling.
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Posted: 7/13/2017 2:16:04 PM EDT
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What import stamp is on the rifle, hence it and the G-3 could be ordered with conventional rifling as a option by an importer, but standard German Hk-91 and G3 where spec'd with polygon rifling.
Also, check the barrel to make sure that is has the HK stamp on it and that it came out of the factory orginaly with this barrel on the rig. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 5:05:17 PM EDT
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I bought my first HK rifle in 1984. I know how to tell a real HK from a clone from a parts gun. My current one is a 1977 SACO import as noted above and it is original down to the finish and HK markings and is not polygon nor is any HK91 that I've owned. Only a few hundred imported HK91's had polygonal rifling. Earl
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What import stamp is on the rifle, hence it and the G-3 could be ordered with conventional rifling as a option by an importer, but standard German Hk-91 and G3 where spec'd with polygon rifling. Also, check the barrel to make sure that is has the HK stamp on it and that it came out of the factory orginaly with this barrel on the rig. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 12:16:07 AM EDT
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How can u tell by looking at the barell if it is polygonal or not? Look down the bore for lands and grooves?
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Posted: 9/23/2017 8:00:53 AM EDT
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I bought my first HK rifle in 1984. I know how to tell a real HK from a clone from a parts gun. My current one is a 1977 SACO import as noted above and it is original down to the finish and HK markings and is not polygon nor is any HK91 that I've owned. Only a few hundred imported HK91's had polygonal rifling. Earl |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 2:17:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
To be a real HK-91 (not just produced by a licensed manufacturer away from Germany that there a shit loads of), then is needed to be produced by HK in Germany. All the HK-91 rifle produced out of the HK Germany, have a hammer forged barrel that is polygon rifled (including chamber and it's fluting at the time of hammer forging as well). The entire barrel is, chamber fluting, and polygon barrel rifling at the same time of hammer forging of the barrel. From there, the barrel is profiled and ready to install in the rifle. If you have a conventional rifled barrel in a German receiver HK-91, then it's an after market barrel or the receiver was not completed by HK Germany as a completed rifle. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 11:26:06 AM EDT
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I've owned an HK91, FN LAR (semi-auto version of the FAL), and the Galil AR (.308 caliber). The best rifle of the bunch bar none was the Galil AR. Standard magazines were 25rd. The standard stock was a folding stock which was very similar to the FN FAL Paratrooper model folding stock. The Galil came standard with back up/flip up tritium night sights. The Galil had the softest recoil of the three mentioned .308 rifles, was the most accurate, and was the most reliable. Galil AR http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Album%202/Collection/Action%20Arms%20Galil%20329/P1050520-1.jpg Gail ARM (a little more expensive than the AR because of the wood forearm http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/assault/as23/galil-ar762.jpg If you have $3,000 to spend, I would forget the HK91 and find a Galil AR or ARM in .308. It is a much better rifle. If you still want the HK91, then make sure you buy some extra roller retaining pins. I had an MP5 and these pins were always breaking. HK roller retaining pin http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/catalog/hkretainerplate_1622_detail.jpg |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 9:58:54 AM EDT
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How can u tell by looking at the barell if it is polygonal or not? Look down the bore for lands and grooves? |
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Posted: 12/30/2017 10:10:24 PM EDT
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Back in 2008, I sold an '81 that was like new in the box, even had the paper wick in the barrel for $1800.00 With the market the way that it is, I wouldn't pay more than $2200.00 for it either.
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