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Posted: 5/11/2016 9:27:14 AM EDT
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I like my MKE and the extra money for the HK isn't worth it to me, especially without the 3 lug or paddle mag release.
If this does actually come to market, I bet all the guys that paid crazy money for the SP89s recently will be feeling bad.... 
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Posted: 5/11/2016 10:54:09 AM EDT
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So does that treaty prohibit a US subsidiarity from making them in the US as well (assuming they cared to try)? And I assume an MP7 derivative pistol would be on the wrong side of that dumbass rule too.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From what we heard, there will only be 150 or so coming in for sale. And this is the only configuration allowed, as the regular/full size MP5 is banned due to barrel length. I assume that's on the German end? Yes, since Germany signed onto the Small Arms treaty last year or the year before, they can't export certain firearms. The ones that they can are designated "pistols" which come with barrel length restrictions and such. I am sure threaded barrels are on the No-no list as well. So does that treaty prohibit a US subsidiarity from making them in the US as well (assuming they cared to try)? And I assume an MP7 derivative pistol would be on the wrong side of that dumbass rule too. Nope, no issue with US made items. MP7 coming here is a pipe dream. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 10:55:04 AM EDT
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From what we heard, there will only be 150 or so coming in for sale. And this is the only configuration allowed, as the regular/full size MP5 is banned due to barrel length. I assume that's on the German end? Yes, since Germany signed onto the Small Arms treaty last year or the year before, they can't export certain firearms. The ones that they can are designated "pistols" which come with barrel length restrictions and such. I am sure threaded barrels are on the No-no list as well. Threaded Barrels are OK, they sell a lot of pistols with them. I believe they are restricted by length of the barrel, that is allowed to be imported with threads. |
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Posted: 5/11/2016 12:43:41 PM EDT
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From what we heard, there will only be 150 or so coming in for sale. And this is the only configuration allowed, as the regular/full size MP5 is banned due to barrel length. I assume that's on the German end? Yes, since Germany signed onto the Small Arms treaty last year or the year before, they can't export certain firearms. The ones that they can are designated "pistols" which come with barrel length restrictions and such. I am sure threaded barrels are on the No-no list as well. So does that treaty prohibit a US subsidiarity from making them in the US as well (assuming they cared to try)? And I assume an MP7 derivative pistol would be on the wrong side of that dumbass rule too. Nope, no issue with US made items. MP7 coming here is a pipe dream. I know, but I can dream... 
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:01:09 PM EDT
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From the NRA show:
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:59:55 PM EDT
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k?
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:18:50 PM EDT
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:20:55 PM EDT
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The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:25:25 PM EDT
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Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. Yeah it wouldn't surprise me at all if they have a welded in carrier block. I just hope it doesn't use some type of proprietary trigger pack. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 3:39:00 PM EDT
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Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 3:48:30 PM EDT
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HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 5:18:45 PM EDT
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Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. Looks to be a pretty simple mod to make it a sear host. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 10:24:40 PM EDT
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Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so what is the difference between the sp89 from years ago and the sp5k? The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. Sigh, you again. I have been over on HKpro and no one there has even got a look at it. Sorry to disturb you again . Maybe you should of attended the show yourself and asked the reps questions, but no, you choose to become the Great White Internet Warrior that can shit knowledge out of your asshole. You already know so much more but haven't seen this in person to even pick it up and look at it. You just seem to use great powers that are beyond the knowledge of regular people, you should really get your own gig. You impress the living shit out of me so much, that when I go back to the NRA show tomorrow that I will show your replies to the HK reps and maybe they will call you and get your expertise on how to really build this gun. God, I wish I had half the wisdom and knowledge that you do. You should change your name to "The Great Know It All!" General purpose is so not fitting for you. EDIT: BTW, I'm guessing your screen name is "Pureform" on the HK site. I see that you were called out there for pretty much the same things you have posted up here. I LOL'd at the replies to your post. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 1:42:42 AM EDT
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Sp-89 value is gonna tank, except in Massachusetts.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 2:30:13 AM EDT
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Sigh, you again. I have been over on HKpro and no one there has even got a look at it. Sorry to disturb you again . Maybe you should of attended the show yourself and asked the reps questions, but no, you choose to become the Great White Internet Warrior that can shit knowledge out of your asshole. You already know so much more but haven't seen this in person to even pick it up and look at it. You just seem to use great powers that are beyond the knowledge of regular people, you should really get your own gig. You impress the living shit out of me so much, that when I go back to the NRA show tomorrow that I will show your replies to the HK reps and maybe they will call you and get your expertise on how to really build this gun. God, I wish I had half the wisdom and knowledge that you do. You should change your name to "The Great Know It All!" General purpose is so not fitting for you. EDIT: BTW, I'm guessing your screen name is "Pureform" on the HK site. I see that you were called out there for pretty much the same things you have posted up here. I LOL'd at the replies to your post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The SP89 had a steel grip frame. Other than that and the slightly different hand-guard there doesn't appear to be much of a difference. Word is that the internals are different enough that they won't be good sear hosts, if that is relevant to you. HK rep said it's just as it was in the preban days. Pictures have shown that not to be true. There's a long thread on HKPro about it. Sigh, you again. I have been over on HKpro and no one there has even got a look at it. Sorry to disturb you again . Maybe you should of attended the show yourself and asked the reps questions, but no, you choose to become the Great White Internet Warrior that can shit knowledge out of your asshole. You already know so much more but haven't seen this in person to even pick it up and look at it. You just seem to use great powers that are beyond the knowledge of regular people, you should really get your own gig. You impress the living shit out of me so much, that when I go back to the NRA show tomorrow that I will show your replies to the HK reps and maybe they will call you and get your expertise on how to really build this gun. God, I wish I had half the wisdom and knowledge that you do. You should change your name to "The Great Know It All!" General purpose is so not fitting for you. EDIT: BTW, I'm guessing your screen name is "Pureform" on the HK site. I see that you were called out there for pretty much the same things you have posted up here. I LOL'd at the replies to your post. Sigh, you running your mouth again. Here's a picture proving you dead wrong: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/237008-sp5k-first-look-spec-info-6.html And my screen name over there is GeneralPurpose if you do some real deep digging. What was that about nobody over there having a look at it? At least you can tell your friends in your sewing circle a fun story. Next? |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 3:09:38 AM EDT
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Is there a specific concise list of the differences/mods from an actual MP5K?
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Posted: 5/22/2016 8:00:48 AM EDT
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Here is where you "Pureform" were called out:
HKPRO Like people said, you don't like it, don't buy it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 8:30:55 AM EDT
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Sigh, you running your mouth again. Here's a picture proving you dead wrong: http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-nfa-talk/237008-sp5k-first-look-spec-info-6.html And my screen name over there is GeneralPurpose if you do some real deep digging. What was that about nobody over there having a look at it? At least you can tell your friends in your sewing circle a fun story. Next? Whats the big deal about that little nub? It would only take a few minutes to knock that down, or you could have a sear trip added to that carrier. Whenever I get mine I'm going to use it as a host, just havent decided what to mod yet. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 11:39:26 AM EDT
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Here is where you "Pureform" were called out: HKPRO Like people said, you don't like it, don't buy it. 
What is your problem? My screen name is clearly GeneralPurpose on this website, HKPro, SnipersHide, that old silencer forum that Major Malfunction was running... I've proven that you're wrong. 1. The new SP5K has a few differences from the SP89. 2. People on HKPro have gotten hands on with it and have the photos to prove the differences. 3. My screen name is the same on EVERY gun related forum. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 2:33:10 PM EDT
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What is your problem? My screen name is clearly GeneralPurpose on this website, HKPro, SnipersHide, that old silencer forum that Major Malfunction was running... I've proven that you're wrong. 1. The new SP5K has a few differences from the SP89. 2. People on HKPro have gotten hands on with it and have the photos to prove the differences. 3. My screen name is the same on EVERY gun related forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is where you "Pureform" were called out: HKPRO Like people said, you don't like it, don't buy it.
What is your problem? My screen name is clearly GeneralPurpose on this website, HKPro, SnipersHide, that old silencer forum that Major Malfunction was running... I've proven that you're wrong. 1. The new SP5K has a few differences from the SP89. 2. People on HKPro have gotten hands on with it and have the photos to prove the differences. 3. My screen name is the same on EVERY gun related forum. What ever. I'm not having a pissing contest with you kid. Its obvious you posted word for word over there as you did here. Only thing you proved me wrong on was the MSRP. Other than that what I posted came straight from the HK reps at the show, I just passed on the info here. Like I said before, unless you went to the show, picked up the gun and talked to the reps first hand, then you don't know shit. Im stopping here before I get booted for breaking coc. You don't like this gun, that's fine, I could care less. Enjoy your "clone". |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 7:29:33 PM EDT
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As I understand the differences based on pictures that are available:
1 - FBI AMBI lower (sp89 had metal SEF/0-1 lower) 2 - Receiver has a tab at the top rear. 3 - Bolt carrier top is machined to clear the tab. 4 - Semi auto shelf is present as before, but different geometry. No longer requires machining of the ears of a polymer lower. 5 - Optics rail included 6 - Two magazines included (SP89 came with one 15rd mag) There was a pre-production gun out there that was set up differently. It might be the source of confusion. These items are based on what's been shown at NRA, which is alleged to be the production guns. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:37:59 PM EDT
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As I understand the differences based on pictures that are available: 1 - FBI AMBI lower (sp89 had metal SEF/0-1 lower) 2 - Receiver has a tab at the top rear. 3 - Bolt carrier top is machined to clear the tab. 4 - Semi auto shelf is present as before, but different geometry. No longer requires machining of the ears of a polymer lower. 5 - Optics rail included 6 - Two magazines included (SP89 came with one 15rd mag) There was a pre-production gun out there that was set up differently. It might be the source of confusion. These items are based on what's been shown at NRA, which is alleged to be the production guns. Fargo, it's almost like you're saying the gun isn't the same as it was in its preban days.
I wonder what your name on HKPro is. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:52:35 AM EDT
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There might have been a demo gun where it was the same, but on the production guns, it's definitely not.
IMHO it's actually better. An AMBI pack is a substantial upgrade, and not having to shave ears on a poly lower anymore is the cat's ass. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 2:09:51 AM EDT
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Any better rumors on when they are releasing and numbers hitting the street? Or are we still at the whims of enterwebz mythology?
I'm kinda excited by this release, it'd be a great range queen. FA |
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Posted: 5/27/2016 6:26:49 PM EDT
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Any better rumors on when they are releasing and numbers hitting the street? Or are we still at the whims of enterwebz mythology? I'm kinda excited by this release, it'd be a great range queen. FA This is what I am most interested in. If they only plan on releasing them in the high hundreds/low thousands, I want to just write it off now. It's hard enough to justify the MSRP on these, but if there is a premium due to scarcity, count me out. |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 2:35:15 PM EDT
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If they just imported the MP5-N in pistol configuration it would sell big time. Why they decided on this weird overpriced SP89'ish config is beyond me. Because German export laws are ridiculously strict. Cannot export "weapons of war" or some idiotic bullshit. They could have at least left the barrel longer so it would be easy to add a three lug navy on the end. Don't you need an entirely new barrel now to put the 3 lug on the end? |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 7:49:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2016 12:16:51 AM EDT
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If they just imported the MP5-N in pistol configuration it would sell big time. Why they decided on this weird overpriced SP89'ish config is beyond me. Because German export laws are ridiculously strict. Cannot export "weapons of war" or some idiotic bullshit. They could have at least left the barrel longer so it would be easy to add a three lug navy on the end. Don't you need an entirely new barrel now to put the 3 lug on the end? http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/sport/full-size-compact/sp5k/sp5k/product-overview.html |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 12:17:42 AM EDT
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If they just imported the MP5-N in pistol configuration it would sell big time. Why they decided on this weird overpriced SP89'ish config is beyond me. Because German export laws are ridiculously strict. Cannot export "weapons of war" or some idiotic bullshit. They could have at least left the barrel longer so it would be easy to add a three lug navy on the end. Don't you need an entirely new barrel now to put the 3 lug on the end? http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/sport/full-size-compact/sp5k/sp5k/product-overview.html THEY ARE HERE ! |
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Posted: 7/10/2016 12:19:49 AM EDT
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-Pistols/BI.aspx?Keywords=hk+sp5k&Condition=2
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