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Posted: 11/16/2015 9:58:38 AM EDT
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I talked to the owner yesterday at the Texas Firearms Festival for about 30 min; some very interesting developments in the 9x series of guns coming up from Bretheren. The MP5 was developed in 1964 and has remained relatively unchanged despite advances all over the industry. Right now, they've improved the design to about 1985 technology, and very soon they'll be in this century. Most notably, he spoke of a new grip frame that drastically improves shooting hand ergonomics (read: DRASTICALLY). I'll be following Bretheren closely over the next few months.
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Posted: 11/16/2015 11:30:49 AM EDT
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Yeah I have read about the ar15 compatable lower housing that would take ar15 triggers, safeties and grips. I am looking for a classic clone that isn't modernized except for maybe a rail welded on top. Their new production one is classic parts but too new for any reviews to be surfacing yet.
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Posted: 11/16/2015 11:40:59 AM EDT
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If you weld a rail on top, does that not permanently obscure the s/n of the firearm?
I don't have any of my HK at work with me and can not remember if there are any other locations on the gun that the s/n is stamped into. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 11:50:19 AM EDT
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If you weld a rail on top, does that not permanently obscure the s/n of the firearm? I don't have any of my HK at work with me and can not remember if there are any other locations on the gun that the s/n is stamped into. There are cutout windows in the rail so none of the information is covered up. |
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Posted: 11/16/2015 1:07:39 PM EDT
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There are cutout windows in the rail so none of the information is covered up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you weld a rail on top, does that not permanently obscure the s/n of the firearm? I don't have any of my HK at work with me and can not remember if there are any other locations on the gun that the s/n is stamped into. There are cutout windows in the rail so none of the information is covered up. thanks for the info |
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:22:03 PM EDT
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Anyone own one of their mp5 clones? Feedback?
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Posted: 11/21/2015 10:48:09 PM EDT
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Anyone own one of their mp5 clones? Feedback? This. And where do they stand on 922r compliance? |
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Posted: 11/22/2015 1:44:38 PM EDT
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I'm not sure how they justify the price when you can get a mke for less. I've played with one as they are local to me and it was fine but nothing amazing. I'm not a fan of the finishes compared to the baked on classic and the optic rail is just okay.
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Posted: 11/22/2015 2:07:39 PM EDT
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Everyone seems to be doing it these days but I hate the welded on rails on HK roller lock guns
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Posted: 11/23/2015 3:19:40 PM EDT
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I'm not sure how they justify the price when you can get a mke for less. I've played with one as they are local to me and it was fine but nothing amazing. I'm not a fan of the finishes compared to the baked on classic and the optic rail is just okay. Not much less.... It's a boutique class builder with a great reputation. The import guns have been mostly good, but there have been some iffy ones. The customers all got taken care of though. I suppose if you intended to SBR it or own a sear the BA gun would price equally once you add all that other stuff up. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 3:57:24 PM EDT
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I'm not sure how they justify the price when you can get a mke for less. I've played with one as they are local to me and it was fine but nothing amazing. I'm not a fan of the finishes compared to the baked on classic and the optic rail is just okay. My Mke i got was a turd and had to sent it to a smith to fix the receiver since it was all out of spec. Also the MKE/POF variants cannot go full auto with out a lot of work.. So all depends on what your poison is.. Im looking for a full auto capable RS.. Atlantic is no longer selling theirs, DJ is no more, SW and omega are garbage. So that leaves it to BA, Daktoa and PCS.. Dakota did a batch of RS for a factory SBR/Sico bundle that i assume will be around 4500, Dakota will do a batch of RS in about 6 months or so but they do so few of them at a time plus they are priced around 3500 for a pistol, PCS will only build your kits you provide but he does good work and then BA. 2 local gun ranges rent out BA mp5a, One has had 8k rounds no issues, the other has around 50k rounds in 6 moths full auto till the receiver had an issue but BA fixed it no issue. and SS shoots a full auto one that has 10k rounds with no issues. So YMMV but that seems to be pretty good reviews thus far on the brand. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 8:03:50 PM EDT
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MobileCommand thanks for the post. That's good to hear. I think Griffin Armament may have one as well. I keep going back and forth on the rail. I know DT only sells theirs now with the rail on top.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 9:56:39 PM EDT
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MobileCommand thanks for the post. That's good to hear. I think Griffin Armament may have one as well. I keep going back and forth on the rail. I know DT only sells theirs now with the rail on top. BA gives you the option hell if you buy the custom from them they will do the rail to what ever length you want... I have talked to the owner a few times and after my final conversation today i am pulling the trigger and buying a RS from them this evening.. Ive checked out the guns at a few of the ranges and at 2 of the gun shops that are now selling their production line guns and the seem really good.. I will be honest at the 3100 mark they are not far off from a Dakota but frankly im not waiting 6+ months for Dakota then another 4 months for a form 1.. God forbid the ATF actually moves forward with 41p and im stuck with another 3 months waiting for local leo signoff.. Past that i was really thinking about the sico/DT bundle but again that's not available yet, best guess its 4500, i really don't want a A3 stock, plus there are way better cans out there then SIco and im really wanting to spend my money on pistol cans from Dead air. Oh yea i forgot to mention there is also Turner who makes guns also at the 3k mark but my local guy had 3 flats made by him.. 2 were messed up and needed work to correct and over all crappy workmanship.. So he is inconstant on his work and i will give my 3k to BA before i give it to Turner. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 10:33:28 PM EDT
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Yeah I'm looking at the full size production level one. Just don't need the options available with the bap9. Did you get to handle the production model? Curious the fit/finish.
I saw somewhere that the suppressor that will be part of the DT/SiCo package will be a yet to be announced new can. I too expect the price of that combo to be around $4,500. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 10:45:29 PM EDT
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Yeah I'm looking at the full size production level one. Just don't need the options available with the bap9. Did you get to handle the production model? Curious the fit/finish. I saw somewhere that the suppressor that will be part of the DT/SiCo package will be a yet to be announced new can. I too expect the price of that combo to be around $4,500. It seemed pretty good from what i looked at hell i even rented one of the guns at my local range a few weeks ago and it shot great.. it was apparently one of the first guns they ever made and i though it was pretty good.. as far as the new pistol can goes its all internet rumor that its the omega 9 but i dont see it.. Frankly i find the revo cans so much better then sicos and sico really need to step of the game or they are going to be left in the dust... I am not sure what they are planning if they come out with a new pistol can as they already have the octanes in full size and K so it would be kinda redundant to come out with yet another pistol can unless they redesign the baffle stack. |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 10:49:06 PM EDT
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Ba are good people, pcs, Turner fab, BPP, TPM, lots of good quality builders that have a variety of options, price points, wait times, and attention to detail etc.
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Posted: 11/23/2015 11:07:00 PM EDT
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Shitty pics but i did shoot one.. Also i was told this was their first mp5 they made.
they "the local shooting range" would not allow me to remove the lower to get more detail but the onsite gunsmith had nothing bad to say about it and only positive things. . BA mp5 |
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Posted: 11/23/2015 11:40:51 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting those. Hopefully the production model will have the same quality.
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Posted: 11/24/2015 12:10:06 AM EDT
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so i just finished ordering mine..
let the wait begin. |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 12:21:07 AM EDT
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Nice. Which options did you go with?
Stock choice once you get your form? I love look of the a3 but prefer feel of the B&T side folder |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 2:07:32 AM EDT
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I already own a full size and just got my stamp back on my K and dont like it due to the b&t stock.
I just ordered a Reverse stretch and will put an A2 on it. BAP 9mm Compact (Reverse Stretch) (#BAP9RS) Receiver Configuration*: Compact (standard single pin Stock Interface) Magazine Release*: ambi paddle release Magazine Sling Swivel*: Yes Weld Finish: Weldless Handguard ($50.00): Lightweight M-Lok Cerakote Finish: Brethren Arms reduced IR signature flat black Picatinny Rail: Yes Charging Handle: Standard Plastic Trigger Upgrade ($50.00): Add to my order 
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Posted: 11/24/2015 10:14:34 AM EDT
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I already own a full size and just got my stamp back on my K and dont like it due to the b&t stock. WOW! I find that surprising to be honest. Never hear too many people saying they DONT like the B&T |
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Posted: 11/24/2015 2:18:43 PM EDT
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WOW! I find that surprising to be honest. Never hear too many people saying they DONT like the B&T Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I already own a full size and just got my stamp back on my K and dont like it due to the b&t stock. WOW! I find that surprising to be honest. Never hear too many people saying they DONT like the B&T maybe i am just used to my A2 stocks but i get crappy cheek weld on it, The gun is never strait when its on my shoulder and i dont care for the LOP.. I fine the chote feels better for my arms but i totally hate the way it looks and feels. I just prefer the a2 and clubfoot stocks. I run a bunch of subgun matches and will never use this gun for that.. It well be reserved as a good range toy and completed the 3 pack of 9mm mp5 collection |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 4:32:46 PM EDT
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I've got the BA 300BLK pistol version BA-300. Will be posting up a review in a week or so. Should run with my existing reg autosear.
First impressions of the gun are that it is built extremely well. Craftsmanship is top notch. I got the standard flat black finish which looks great. It seems to address most of the issues left unanswered by HK. So far, VERY impressed. Uses AR15 mags. Ambi mag release with extension so it is usable without huge hands. Integrated rail for optics. Pics up. Will update this weekend. A few Specs 300 BLK Weight in pistol confi 6 lbs 8 oz OAL in pistol config 20.5" OAL with A3 stock 24.5" 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:18:24 PM EDT
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I've got the BA 300BLK pistol version BA-300. Will be posting up a review in a week or so. Should run with my existing reg autosear. First impressions of the gun are that it is built extremely well. Craftsmanship is top notch. I got the standard flat black finish which looks great. It seems to address most of the issues left unanswered by HK. So far, VERY impressed. Uses AR15 mags. Ambi mag release with extension so it is usable without huge hands. Integrated rail for optics. Pics up. Will update this weekend. A few Specs 300 BLK Weight in pistol confi 6 lbs 8 oz OAL in pistol config 20.5" OAL with A3 stock 24.5" Looks like you went with 8.2 BBL, Keymod, Extended Straight Pull Handle, Extended Mag Release, rail? What is BBL thread? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 1:38:50 AM EDT
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Looks like you went with 8.2 BBL, Keymod, Extended Straight Pull Handle, Extended Mag Release, rail? What is BBL thread? Yep. 8.2 BBL with the options you note. The barrel was threaded for the Griffin Armament flash comp taper mount for my GA RECCE7 can. It is a nice package. The riser is channeled so that backup iron sights are still usable in a pinch while putting the Aimpoint T1 at the same height over bore of my AR platforms and dodging the front sight ring. Nifty, simple, and effective design. Quinn and Kyle really thought this out. As another mentioned, they are due to have an AR style trigger set trigger group which can also use AR pistol grips. Should allow for better triggers and more commonality with our other platforms. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 11:31:22 PM EDT
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So i just upped the ante in BA and ordered a full size and k to match my RS.
So i got the 3 pack coming. |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 5:27:32 AM EDT
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So i just upped the ante in BA and ordered a full size and k to match my RS. So i got the 3 pack coming. Nice. I noticed you have the short B&T stock on your K. Have you considered the long version for it like what's on your UMP? It would probably alleviate your LOP complaint. How do you like the B&T on your UMP? |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 10:34:30 AM EDT
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So i just upped the ante in BA and ordered a full size and k to match my RS. So i got the 3 pack coming. Nice. Did you go with the production or BAP9 line? |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 12:51:47 PM EDT
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So i just upped the ante in BA and ordered a full size and k to match my RS. So i got the 3 pack coming. Nice. Did you go with the production or BAP9 line? No all custom line guns.. All built the same options and consecutive serial numbers |
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Posted: 12/2/2015 1:05:23 PM EDT
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No all custom line guns.. All built the same options and consecutive serial numbers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So i just upped the ante in BA and ordered a full size and k to match my RS. So i got the 3 pack coming. Nice. Did you go with the production or BAP9 line? No all custom line guns.. All built the same options and consecutive serial numbers Very cool |
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Posted: 12/4/2015 4:40:42 PM EDT
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I'd been asked for some pics with magazine in.
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Posted: 12/4/2015 7:34:23 PM EDT
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TDunn, cant wait to see you deck this one out! You've set the bar high with your MP5s, dont let me down!
 
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Posted: 12/5/2015 11:07:45 PM EDT
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TDunn, cant wait to see you deck this one out! You've set the bar high with your MP5s, dont let me down! I got you man. Think reg sear burst group, t1, CQBL ir/vis, m300v, hk 4 pos adj stock and a GA recce7 can 
Winter is coming with full auto 300blk suppressed goodness |
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Posted: 12/6/2015 12:08:54 AM EDT
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I got you man. Think reg sear burst group, t1, CQBL ir/vis, m300v, hk 4 pos adj stock and a GA recce7 can
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TDunn, cant wait to see you deck this one out! You've set the bar high with your MP5s, dont let me down! I got you man. Think reg sear burst group, t1, CQBL ir/vis, m300v, hk 4 pos adj stock and a GA recce7 can
Winter is coming with full auto 300blk suppressed goodness HAHA! AWESOME. Cant wait! 
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