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Posted: 4/22/2015 10:59:56 PM EDT
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I Prefer the HK 33/33k/53 series of Hk's or the HK416 models when it comes to 5.56 models
The G36 and UMP's are fantastic plastic Junk! |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 12:12:18 AM EDT
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I Prefer the HK 33/33k/53 series of Hk's or the HK416 models when it comes to 5.56 models The G36 and UMP's are fantastic plastic Junk! Having owned an HK SL8 for a brief period of time before the polymer lower developed a fracture from firing less than 200 rounds of XM193, and also owning a HK93 that has had thousands of rounds downrange without any noticeable problems, I would have to agree. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 12:52:09 AM EDT
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[Cut. Never mind, was being a smart ass about HK's before realized this was in the HK forum. NM, carry on]
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Posted: 4/23/2015 1:40:12 AM EDT
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[Cut. Never mind, was being a smart ass about HK's before realized this was in the HK forum. NM, carry on] That $#!7 will get you killed in here! or at least seriously berated!! |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 8:04:34 PM EDT
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Make mine a G41 with a welded rail, please!
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:32:24 AM EDT
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I Prefer the HK 33/33k/53 series of Hk's or the HK416 models when it comes to 5.56 models The G36 and UMP's are fantastic plastic Junk! Don't mean to derail this thread, but why did the German military discontinue development of the roller locked guns? |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 9:56:53 AM EDT
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Don't mean to derail this thread, but why did the German military discontinue development of the roller locked guns? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I Prefer the HK 33/33k/53 series of Hk's or the HK416 models when it comes to 5.56 models The G36 and UMP's are fantastic plastic Junk! Don't mean to derail this thread, but why did the German military discontinue development of the roller locked guns? Molding plastic is cheaper than buying and rolling metal. Weight Cost (some people argue that the G36 was purchased as a favor to keep a German arms company alive to provide arms to German armed forces, essentially a bailout) Roller lock might have reached its pinnacle of innovation. |
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Posted: 4/24/2015 10:21:48 AM EDT
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I still find it ironic that now they have the G38 (416A5) suddenly the G36 platform that they have used for 20 years, is no good... This is no different than any other industry when technology changes and advancements are made, nobody wants to be left behind.
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Posted: 4/24/2015 2:43:43 PM EDT
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Not sure if this is true, but...
"All it takes is two magazines (60 rounds of ammunition) to heat up the barrel to an extent that "serious accuracy degradation" occurs, the researchers found. At this point, the accuracy degradation can be as severe as 50 centimeters at a range of 200 meters, and a full 6 meters at a range of 500 meters." http://www.dw.de/heckler-koch-g36-the-rifle-held-in-all-the-wrong-places/a-18402772 |
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Posted: 6/16/2015 4:33:33 PM EDT
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They didn't fight anyone during most of the G36's tenure. A decade or so in AFG will expose your poor gear choices real fucking quick.
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Posted: 7/13/2015 4:48:35 PM EDT
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G36 is no good
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Posted: 7/14/2015 2:49:35 PM EDT
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I still find it ironic that now they have the G38 (416A5) suddenly the G36 platform that they have used for 20 years, is no good... I find it funny they would develop a new rifle, when they already had one in that niche...unless they knew it was crap and wanted to develop a replacement. |
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Posted: 7/14/2015 4:01:45 PM EDT
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[Cut. Never mind, was being a smart ass about HK's before realized this was in the HK forum. NM, carry on] But that doesn't mean you weren't right!z |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 12:51:23 AM EDT
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Can't remember where I read or heard this theory but here it is....
The German's want a new rifle. German politics don't want to pay for said rifle. H&K is in dire financial worries. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Thus certain German politicians are drumming up support for the German .mil to get a new rifle while H&K basically is taking the brunt of the blame but may score a new contract for a new rifle, thus helping H&K in the long run stay out of financial troubles and get the German's a new rifle... |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 3:13:42 AM EDT
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I find it funny they would develop a new rifle, when they already had one in that niche...unless they knew it was crap and wanted to develop a replacement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I still find it ironic that now they have the G38 (416A5) suddenly the G36 platform that they have used for 20 years, is no good... I find it funny they would develop a new rifle, when they already had one in that niche...unless they knew it was crap and wanted to develop a replacement. Got some input from a guy on another forum, so don't take it as 100% fact. He was in the Spanish military and said the zero shift was common, but it was only about 2-3 after a number of days dropping/shooting/using it. Still doesn't inspire confidence when plenty of older designs don't have such an issue. |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 8:00:03 AM EDT
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Can't remember where I read or heard this theory but here it is.... The German's want a new rifle. German politics don't want to pay for said rifle. H&K is in dire financial worries. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Thus certain German politicians are drumming up support for the German .mil to get a new rifle while H&K basically is taking the brunt of the blame but may score a new contract for a new rifle, thus helping H&K in the long run stay out of financial troubles and get the German's a new rifle... Maybe. OTOHO, the shift in POI has been actually documented. It really happens. |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 12:29:11 PM EDT
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G36 was a known POS since it came out. First problems with heat were reported on HKpro a long time ago.
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Posted: 7/15/2015 3:37:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe. OTOHO, the shift in POI has been actually documented. It really happens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can't remember where I read or heard this theory but here it is.... The German's want a new rifle. German politics don't want to pay for said rifle. H&K is in dire financial worries. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Thus certain German politicians are drumming up support for the German .mil to get a new rifle while H&K basically is taking the brunt of the blame but may score a new contract for a new rifle, thus helping H&K in the long run stay out of financial troubles and get the German's a new rifle... Maybe. OTOHO, the shift in POI has been actually documented. It really happens. |
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Posted: 7/15/2015 4:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes we have all known it happens. But why, NOW, all of a sudden with H&K losing all .mil contracts does the German government come out and say, H&K you suck we hate you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can't remember where I read or heard this theory but here it is.... The German's want a new rifle. German politics don't want to pay for said rifle. H&K is in dire financial worries. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Thus certain German politicians are drumming up support for the German .mil to get a new rifle while H&K basically is taking the brunt of the blame but may score a new contract for a new rifle, thus helping H&K in the long run stay out of financial troubles and get the German's a new rifle... Maybe. OTOHO, the shift in POI has been actually documented. It really happens. Germany is largely anti gun. The government has been restricting H&K and demonizing them for years. This is unfortunately nothing new and not surprising.  |
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