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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:48:56 PM

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So perhaps this has been covered before and I haven't seen it. If HK is making the MR556 and MR762 then why won't they make a the other legacy firearms for the US market? How is a MR556 different than a semi only G36 in function as far as the law is concerned? Just wondering the answer to this. I think we'd all like to see a semi auto MP7 but I guess I'll keep the memory of shooting one at AAC's silencer shoot 2011 close in my memory.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 1:58:31 PM
Maybe they're only focusing on the MR series because its a bit more mainstream than their older roller locked series, or even the G36. Problems that come to my mind are in order to reintroduce those they would have to fight against several clone manufacturers (PTR comes to mind. If only they would make MP5's) and sell to an admittedly limited market. So my guess is that its not due to laws, they don't want to take the economic risks.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:26:34 PM
I would go into debt and buy a G36 tomorrow if they sold one!
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Posted: 7/31/2012 6:07:03 PM
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I would go into debt and buy a G36 tomorrow if they sold one!


So get a SL8 and convert it.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:11:42 PM
Given the current prices for SL8s, and what it costs to convert to G36, its not bad. MR762s going for $2500-3000, a G36 clone is right in there.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:24:18 PM
If it were economically feasable for HK to do so, they would do it.

I'm sure they've done market research and found that it would just not lead to a profit.

Keep in mind, HK, that if you are reading this, I would work for far less than average wage
as a mechanical engineer if you opened up a factory in the United States and would sell a
kidney (really, I have two of them!) for a semi only MP7!
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Posted: 8/1/2012 10:27:12 AM
I don't think a semi-auto G36 would sell that well to be honest. We all know it would not be competitively priced. The market is currently flooded with "Not an AR15" rifles right now. Other than diehard fanboys and collectors I don't see many people buying them over other designs.

I would be one of the people buying one, but I'm also more realistic about the situation.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 10:31:17 AM
I'd be happy if Umarex finally got around to releasing that 22LR MP7 clone I've been hearing rumors about for years now.
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Posted: 8/1/2012 3:15:55 PM
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I'd be happy if Umarex finally got around to releasing that 22LR MP7 clone I've been hearing rumors about for years now.


I emailed them and was told that they had no plans to release one.
Why they couldn't just redesign one of their current rifles to look like
an MP7 (at least use current internals to save money) is beyond me..
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:19:28 PM
Originally Posted By M3A1:
I don't think a semi-auto G36 would sell that well to be honest. We all know it would not be competitively priced. The market is currently flooded with "Not an AR15" rifles right now. Other than diehard fanboys and collectors I don't see many people buying them over other designs.

I would be one of the people buying one, but I'm also more realistic about the situation.


I don't think HK even makes the roller guns anymore except for the MP5 and MSG90. I think that they have been trying to phase those out for a while now. As for the G36, I think it would sell well if it was priced no greater than $1500 or so. It has that HK mystique that surpasses some of the "Not a AR-15" carbines" and it might gain some attention. However, I don't think HK could sell something below $2000-3000.

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Posted: 8/2/2012 11:25:11 PM
I would buy a $2,995 G36 tomorrow if one was offered. Instead I have to bastardize a SL8 into looking like a G36.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 1:30:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Gopherboy128:
I would buy a $2,995 G36 tomorrow if one was offered. Instead I have to bastardize a SL8 into looking like a G36.


and you will spen about the same to put YOUR labor into something that wont have a warrenty. and i know the warrenty isnt that big of a deal. im just saying if you spend 3g's it better be brand new, perfect, AND have all the work done for you.

i built my mp5 clone for about 1500, but i would have gladly paid 2g's for a brandy new one.
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Posted: 8/3/2012 11:43:25 PM
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Sometimes it's not about direct profit for one particular model, but having a flagship system that draws ppl to your brand boasting sales in your other models.

I really don't think many ppl have the HK brand in mind when looking for a firearm.

Look at car manufactures...they all make some type of high end sports car to draw general awareness to the brand. Even though most won't buy a sports car, and the sports car market is a non-profit niche.

Yet Toyota/Lexus makes the LFA, Nissan the GTR, GM the Corvette ZR1, Dodge the Viper (when it returns) etc etc.
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Posted: 8/4/2012 6:14:16 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot:
Originally Posted By HK94dude:
I would go into debt and buy a G36 tomorrow if they sold one!


So get a SL8 and convert it.


An SL8 will never be a proper G36 due to the rear receiver graft thing.
I'd always worry that I would break it if I had one.

As far as a US made G36, if it were priced right and they released a proper AR mag adapter, I'd see it doing well.
Key though, is priced right, as in sub $1200 gun.
They could do it, half the gun is made of plastic and probably real cheap to make, minus the tooling costs.

I don't know why they don't ship the molds and dies for XM8's over here, they are only collecting dust in Germany. The major cost of those, the tooling, is already paid for, so why not HK?
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Posted: 8/4/2012 11:34:03 PM
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I did a conversion on mine. I used a HDPS Block vs the rear reciever fusion thing. Your not going to break it!
Well worth the money!
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Posted: 8/5/2012 5:51:16 PM
Originally Posted By ptoguy2002:
Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot:
Originally Posted By HK94dude:
I would go into debt and buy a G36 tomorrow if they sold one!


So get a SL8 and convert it.


An SL8 will never be a proper G36 due to the rear receiver graft thing.
I'd always worry that I would break it if I had one.

As far as a US made G36, if it were priced right and they released a proper AR mag adapter, I'd see it doing well.
Key though, is priced right, as in sub $1200 gun.
They could do it, half the gun is made of plastic and probably real cheap to make, minus the tooling costs.

I don't know why they don't ship the molds and dies for XM8's over here, they are only collecting dust in Germany. The major cost of those, the tooling, is already paid for, so why not HK?


Because General Dynamics owns the design now.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:31:39 PM
Originally Posted By 01coltcolt:
I did a conversion on mine. I used a HDPS Block vs the rear reciever fusion thing. Your not going to break it!
Well worth the money!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/01coltcolt/002.jpg


Don't you have to cut into the receiver to mag double stack mags fit? Cutting and fusing parts is what killed my interest in a SL8 conversion years ago

However, that is slick looking and I am jelly.
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:35:32 PM
Originally Posted By riceshooter:
Originally Posted By M3A1:
I don't think a semi-auto G36 would sell that well to be honest. We all know it would not be competitively priced. The market is currently flooded with "Not an AR15" rifles right now. Other than diehard fanboys and collectors I don't see many people buying them over other designs.

I would be one of the people buying one, but I'm also more realistic about the situation.


I don't think HK even makes the roller guns anymore except for the MP5 and MSG90. I think that they have been trying to phase those out for a while now. As for the G36, I think it would sell well if it was priced no greater than $1500 or so. It has that HK mystique that surpasses some of the "Not a AR-15" carbines" and it might gain some attention. However, I don't think HK could sell something below $2000-3000.



If they were $1500 they would be out of stock for years. HK would be raking it in hand over fist at that price. But that is not a likely price. Your $2k-3k estimate was more accurate and at those prices I don't think they'd move after the initial fanboy rush wore off.

Do they still make the MP5?
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Posted: 8/6/2012 10:41:53 PM
Originally Posted By M3A1:
I don't think a semi-auto G36 would sell that well to be honest. We all know it would not be competitively priced. The market is currently flooded with "Not an AR15" rifles right now. Other than diehard fanboys and collectors I don't see many people buying them over other designs.

I would be one of the people buying one, but I'm also more realistic about the situation.


Agreed, people would start to pick it apart right away, its not the same exact color, uses ar mags, dont like the stock and so on...

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And dont forget to complain that it weighs more than an ar
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Originally Posted By MyakkaVice:
Originally Posted By M3A1:
I don't think a semi-auto G36 would sell that well to be honest. We all know it would not be competitively priced. The market is currently flooded with "Not an AR15" rifles right now. Other than diehard fanboys and collectors I don't see many people buying them over other designs.

I would be one of the people buying one, but I'm also more realistic about the situation.


Agreed, people would start to pick it apart right away, its not the same exact color, uses ar mags, dont like the stock and so on...



The mags it would take would be a can of worms by itself.

Just look at the Sig 556. A bunch of people were mad that it used common and cheap AR mags, instead of expensive proprietary harder to find mags

It became enough of an issue that Sig made a version that would take the expensive mags.

Magpul makes (made?) G36 mags, so price and availability could be closer to AR mags than other designs.

The only thing that would kill a civilian G36 would be an unreasonable price.
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Posted: 8/7/2012 4:41:47 PM
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Heck, if HK would introduce a model of the SL-8 fitted with the more correct G-36 folding stock mounting point AND the G-36 double stacked magazine well, I would be happy with that and finish it off myself with amore correct G-36 barrel and flash suppressor. As for the trigger pack, re-design it to look like the G-36's, but in a way were a real G-36 trigger will not fit or function.

I somewhat understand the importation regs about importing only "sporting" type rifles into the country, but if they, HK, shipped the rifles to the U.S. without the stock and the magazine well and have them fitted in the U.S.?

As for the required U.S. made parts, I like the fact that MagPul makes a G-36 magazine (3) and there are currently U.S. made Triggers, Hammers and Sears on the market, as well as a stainless steel Gas Piston. Also, a quality molded U.S. Stock, Magazine Well and Handguard wouldn't be that hard to set up. So I don't feel that the U.S. parts count would be an issue.

As for the German made barrel, having turned down/profiled, in the U.S., to match the G-36 wouldn't that hard and for the true "military" look, add a true U.S. made, copy of the HK flash suppressor, as well as a bayonet mounting hardware.

I would prefer the full length version of the G-36, but a carbine version would be hot too!!!

I feel that the AR market is fully packed and people will start looking for something different. Yes, the AR system is a really great platform, but people will want to venture out of the box and look at something different. Plus, many people are impressed with German quality and I don't mind paying for quality, as long as it is truly quality.... I bought a Sig-556 about a year after they first can out and thought I was buying Sig quality, but got a rifle that had to be tweeked intoo something I really wanted. If Sig USA would have brought out the original Sig 550/551/552 or even there U.S. version, the Sig 551A1, I think Sig would have kicked some serious @ss!!

For me, I prefer something that has the true military look and I would easy pay 3Ks for a close copy of the G-36....I can't see HK pricing athis project in the $1500 to $2200 range... HK is in business to made money, not to lose it.