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Posted: 3/31/2012 6:57:09 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT by best i mean most reliable, most accurate and best over all fit and finish. any assistance would be greatly appreciated. thanks. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 7:28:08 PM
If you can still find them, the MKE AT-94K is very reliable. Made on H&K tooling in Turkey. I was able to pick one up for $1300 two years ago. They've stopped importing them into the country, so supply is dwindling. I would also recommend Dakota Tactical.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 7:36:35 PM
Parabellum Customs or Dakota Tactical. Both are great. Both will cost ya... Both are worth it (if ya have the coin)
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balki
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Posted: 3/31/2012 8:34:49 PM
Originally Posted By chemcmndr:
If you can still find them, the MKE AT-94K is very reliable. Made on H&K tooling in Turkey. I was able to pick one up for $1300 two years ago. They've stopped importing them into the country, so supply is dwindling. I would also recommend Dakota Tactical. This.... |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 8:47:41 PM
Another vote for the MKE. You can still find them on gun broker or on the EE. I had to replace the extractor and extractor spring on mine to make it 100% reliable. But for $30 in parts, mine runs like a sewing machine.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:41:33 PM
and if i understand correctly, they are registered as a pistol?
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:58:51 PM
[Last Edit: 3/31/2012 10:00:24 PM by sporter]
The K and the P models are pistols.
The P has the 16" barrel and is a full sized receiver. The K model is the K style receiver and pistol length barrel. Both are pistols, but one can be made a rifle without SBR paper work since it has the 16" rifle length barrel already installed (w/922r compliance). |
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balki
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:17:22 PM
Originally Posted By sporter:
The K and the P models are pistols. The P has the 16" barrel and is a full sized receiver. The K model is the K style receiver and pistol length barrel. Both are pistols, but one can be made a rifle without SBR paper work since it has the 16" rifle length barrel already installed (w/922r compliance). Yup, and from what I've read, stay away from the carbine version... |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 10:36:14 PM
Get the MKE if you can find one. They are awesome as a SBR. I absolutely love mine.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:32:18 PM
Originally Posted By usncorpsman1:
Get the MKE if you can find one. They are awesome as a SBR. I absolutely love mine. http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3198.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3234.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3236.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3244.jpg that is a great looking gun, but i don't plan on sbring it, i am looking at one for a ccw. |
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Posted: 3/31/2012 11:50:52 PM
Originally Posted By thewildman:
Originally Posted By usncorpsman1:
Get the MKE if you can find one. They are awesome as a SBR. I absolutely love mine. http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3198.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3234.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3236.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3244.jpg that is a great looking gun, but i don't plan on sbring it, i am looking at one for a ccw. You are joking right  that is a huuuuuuuge gun for a CCW.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:14:24 AM
Originally Posted By usncorpsman1:
Originally Posted By thewildman:
Originally Posted By usncorpsman1:
Get the MKE if you can find one. They are awesome as a SBR. I absolutely love mine. http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3198.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3234.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3236.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3244.jpg that is a great looking gun, but i don't plan on sbring it, i am looking at one for a ccw. You are joking right that is a huuuuuuuge gun for a CCW.
im not, and it really only has to be small enough to fit inside of a large briefcase. |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 12:51:14 AM
No offense but I think that would be a horrible ccw. If you ever had to use it one you'd have to get it out of the case in time then two have fun explaining that to a jury of common folk in a criminal or at the very least civil trial.
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Dawg180
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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:24:03 AM
The MP5K is a fun little toy but would be a crap CCW IMHO - twice the weight, at least twice the bulk of a pistol with the same exact barrel length. If you want it to be compact you are going to be using 15 rounders, so you are carrying a 4 lb 19" long weapon that has the same ballistics and capacity of a Beretta M92.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 3:01:17 PM
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
The MP5K is a fun little toy but would be a crap CCW IMHO - twice the weight, at least twice the bulk of a pistol with the same exact barrel length. If you want it to be compact you are going to be using 15 rounders, so you are carrying a 4 lb 19" long weapon that has the same ballistics and capacity of a Beretta M92. Spot on. But if you must have one of these weapons I only have one recommendation. I was on the fence for many years about one of these. I wanted an SP-89 for what seems like decades. Given your stated parameters- quality, fit & finish, and the finest attention to detail I believe there is only one choice if you want to go top shelf- Dakota Tactical. Check out HKPRO for more on them. |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:44:55 PM
[Last Edit: 4/1/2012 6:46:02 PM by SirDrinksAlot]
on the subject of MP5K clones, is the bellator arms copy any good?
I know that it has a non-fluted barrel, but aside from that $1,000 sounds like a good deal for an MP5K clone. Has anyone received any first hand experience with it's use? it's just going to be used as a beater, not something to show off, and I could care less about finish, as long as it runs well. |
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Posted: 4/1/2012 9:16:12 PM
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
The MP5K is a fun little toy but would be a crap CCW IMHO - twice the weight, at least twice the bulk of a pistol with the same exact barrel length. If you want it to be compact you are going to be using 15 rounders, so you are carrying a 4 lb 19" long weapon that has the same ballistics and capacity of a Beretta M92. 19"? My SBR MP5K with a Choate side folder is only 23" with the stock extended. The gun itself is more like 12" |
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Dawg180
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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:31:51 PM
Originally Posted By chemcmndr:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
The MP5K is a fun little toy but would be a crap CCW IMHO - twice the weight, at least twice the bulk of a pistol with the same exact barrel length. If you want it to be compact you are going to be using 15 rounders, so you are carrying a 4 lb 19" long weapon that has the same ballistics and capacity of a Beretta M92. 19"? My SBR MP5K with a Choate side folder is only 23" with the stock extended. The gun itself is more like 12" I as a bit off on the receiver, but it still is a hell of a lot bulkier than a Beretta. |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:47:30 AM
Originally Posted By thewildman: Originally Posted By usncorpsman1: Originally Posted By thewildman: Originally Posted By usncorpsman1: Get the MKE if you can find one. They are awesome as a SBR. I absolutely love mine. http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3198.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3234.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3236.jpg http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/usncorpsman1/IMG_3244.jpg that is a great looking gun, but i don't plan on sbring it, i am looking at one for a ccw. You are joking right that is a huuuuuuuge gun for a CCW.im not, and it really only has to be small enough to fit inside of a large briefcase. Will you be shooting it from the briefcase? If so that's an AOW. If not, never mind. |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:13:59 PM
You can CCW the K if you use the Eagle Industries shoulder harness. Not the most practical during the summer months, but you could get away with it during the colder months.
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Posted: 4/8/2012 10:31:44 AM
Get a MKE or Turner Fab guns, forget DT. Turner guns with a German parts kit is the way to go.
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Posted: 4/8/2012 11:18:21 AM
Why would you say to forget Dakota Tactical? DT seems to be the industry standard right now.
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Posted: 4/8/2012 2:29:06 PM
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Why would you say to forget Dakota Tactical? DT seems to be the industry standard right now. With an open mind I wonder as well. I realize there are a few other builders who seem to also have a fantastic rep for their work, but I have never seen any complaint about Dakota Tactical anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 2:29:45 PM
There is nothing wrong with Dakota Tactical or Parabellum combat systems at all .. Nothing wrong with Turner either .. Let me tell you why i chose
Dakota Tacitcal. #1 reputation, #2 looking at pics of his builds and TALKING TO ACTUAL OWNERS. #3 Joe is super friendly and answered all my odd questions before placing hte order . #4 he is also man enough to admit he is SUPER busy and backlogged. BUT that happens when you are the only guy in the shop. ParabellumCombat Systems is also good to go . Same reasons . I just happened to at the time of build to contact Joe at DT first . I had prior to ordering sent ALL 3 emails about pricing and shipping etc . and only 1 never responded and that was Turner. Dont know what happened there but I felt confident in Joes work . ALSO Joe is an offical certified H&K armorer for just about everything they make , that was HUGE to me . He went to several courses this year alone to make himself a better gunsmith for his customers.... Honestly it pisses me off when people complain about cost of good quality work , or that they have to wait for their gun to be built.. |
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Posted: 4/8/2012 2:39:48 PM
User gm1854 is Gordon Miller from HKSpecialiststore.com, no?
If my homework is correct, I too would like to know why Gordon has beef with Joe and/or the products from Dakota Tactical.
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Posted: 4/8/2012 3:33:56 PM
Now that is interesting .... Sour grapes maybe ?
I at least said up front who I ordered mine from |
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