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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:25:20 AM EDT
I have read with great interest some of the not-so-glowing reviews of DSA, while i have also read a lot of info saying they are GTG --- usually , people who are completely satisfied dont get on message boards to extoll the virtues of their flawless rifle, but the folks with problems want to make it heard ---- so i try to get as much info as possible before jumping in with both feet I have been really wanting a 308 --- I had a Century FAL years ago , and it was a good rifle (now they tell me a good Century is a rare bird ) -- but i fed it a nonstop diet of the nasty Norinco 308 copper washed ammo and it always went bang So i like FAL's ----- that said - DSA has a lot of detractors right now, and i havent heard too much bad about PTR , except for the brass issue common to all 91 type rifles ---- At the $1200 mark, is the PTR a safer gamble than a DSA? -- i'm a bit leery of lower priced gunbroker stuff , as i might not be able to tell the difference if i got a cobbled together parts gun of either variety , if it looked clean DPMS and Bushy make AR type 308's in this price range too, but i wanted something more "retro" --- and i'm realistic in saying the primary use will be as a hunting rifle , - then range toy , but just like all the guys who clamor for "top tier" AR's, i would like to have something that had the capability of being pushed a bit if needed without worrying about it failing just comparing these 2 basic rifles --- if i had the bucks, i would go for a real Belgian FAL or HK 91 (both would be nice  ) --- and not really willing to stretch it out to $1800 for DSA's pricier offerings, ---if i did that, its not much more of a stretch to find a real HK. The Springfield SAR08's and 48's are approaching 2k pricing too, it seems
Thanks for an unvarnished opinion if anyone has one 1200$ DSa fal PTR GI |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 1:24:11 PM EDT
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Honestly:
The big advantage between the two specified platforms I feel falls towards the FAL. The FAL does not have a fluted chamber making it better suited for brass recycling / reloading. The FAL uses a machined receiver rather than a sheet metal stamping and the gas system is adjustable. I, like you, looked long and hard at the HK91 before purchasing my FAL. I found an older DSA built STG58 with a mint Steyr barrel. The thing is heavy but then so was my M1A. It seems a lot of the concern with DSA covers the fact that "parts kits" have dried-up so DSA is forced to manufacture their own parts in-house, including barrels. I'm no FAL "expert" but I did my research! 
Happy shooting..... |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 4:35:41 PM EDT
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You already had a FAL, so you know what its like. You should at least hold and shoulder the PTR, if possible test fire one. Some people hate or love the G3 from the feeling and ergonomics alone. Also, that DSA rifle is cheaper because it has a cast receiver. Tim G. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 5:15:30 PM EDT
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It would be extremely useful if you would tell us for what you will use the rifles. Do you ever envision adding optics?
Will you be reloading the brass? A good PTR/H+K rifle is very robust, and with decent care will last forever. OTOH, the PTR has optics mounting issues which the FAL does not, and a good FAL with decent care will last almost forever. Both of them have rear sights that are far from ideal, but both can be modified. I would say that the FAL is more easily customized than the PTR. I have shot a few PTRs and H+Ks, and also a few FALs. I currently own a very nice, customized FAL, and a slightly customized Super Match M1A, set up with a Scout scope optical sight. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 9:41:08 PM EDT
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Also, that DSA rifle is cheaper because it has a cast receiver. This is incorrect DSA does not use cast receivers. I own two DSA FAL rifles that were built before 2007 and use mil spec parts. The problem DSA is having is they have run out of mil spec parts and are making new parts such as bolts which are having issues. I would suggest not purchasing a new DSA but rather look for a older one that was assembled with Steyr parts. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 10:20:53 PM EDT
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For a hunting rifle I would probably go AR-10 platform first. From a collectors standpoint the PTR-91 and the FAL are both good choices.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 11:48:37 PM EDT
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You already had a FAL, so you know what its like. You should at least hold and shoulder the PTR, if possible test fire one. Some people hate or love the G3 from the feeling and ergonomics alone. Also, that DSA rifle is cheaper because it has a cast receiver. Tim G. Thanks --- i have training on the G3 in the service (albeit , the late 80's ) --- it was fine then, -- i was looking for a HK 91 when i wound up with the Century FAL years ago ( at the time, a 91 or copy , or a Cetme was not encountered often) ---- i could not discern any ergonomic differences that were serious enough for me to prefer one to the other ---- i did have a scope mount on the FAL, The DSA definitely has "the look" , but just havent run across very many people who say -- Yes, this thing is as good as an FN ---- like people tend to say about the PTR in comparison to the G3 ------- But i've heard armchair quarterbacks whine about the M1A too, and how it is not as good as a Fulton, or an accurized home build I'm sure either will suit my purposes fine ------ but an Aimpoint or something similar is almost a requirement for me now, and for hunting, a real magnified optic is in order ---- In ARFCOM fashion, i truly wish i had the cash to buy both , but i dont right now ----- just have a small stockpile of 308 and 7.62 ammo , plus a bucket of empty brass sitting there doing nothing --- and thats a crime 
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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:44:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is incorrect DSA does not use cast receivers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Also, that DSA rifle is cheaper because it has a cast receiver. This is incorrect DSA does not use cast receivers. From DSA's webpage: "Type 1 None carry handle cut cast receiver" Tim G. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 6:18:54 PM EDT
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having been issued both G3's and FAL's in the Army the FAL is a much more pleasant rifle for recreational shooting.
Both are fine rifles just the G3 leaves you all beaten up 
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Posted: 3/21/2014 6:42:21 PM EDT
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Everyone in this thread should read the exhaustive .308 battle rifle section in Boston T. Party's "Boston's Gun Bible". Make sure to get the latest edition. Consult www.javelin press.com
He's done head-to head tests of many .308 battle rifles, which tests few on this forum have done. There is nothing new under the sun. It's all be done before. The tests have been done and the winner chosen. Buy the book to know. sorry, but the book is invaluable in many ways, and every gunowner should red it. That 's as far as the latest edition of the book goes. My personal guess is that the company that makes an AR-based gas piston rifle which is accurate at long range at a price affordable to the general public will clean up. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 6:46:53 PM EDT
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As a guy with a $400 STG58, and a $400 CETME, I prefer my FAL.
That said, the CETME/HK91 family doesn't kick anywhere as hard as many folks make it out to be. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 7:11:20 PM EDT
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The PTR-91 is available with a receiver rail.
It's a roller delayed blowback operating system (not gas operated) and will digest anything you feed it. Has very good accuracy. It's a modular design. Surplus G3 magazines are very inexpensive. It's extremely reliable. The fired brass cases are in fact reloadable. |
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Posted: 3/21/2014 7:22:33 PM EDT
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They are all good.
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Posted: 3/21/2014 7:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is obviously the most correct answer 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:55:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe most unbiased opinions comes from those who own them all
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Posted: 3/22/2014 12:47:55 PM EDT
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Go with the the PTR, It's the most rifle for the money and I shoot them all. If you decide on a FAL go with a nice used one not the new "cast" DSA.
PTR91 on bottom. http://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html?brand=1275&cat=15 
This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. |
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Posted: 3/23/2014 10:52:04 AM EDT
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Quote History<a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg</a> This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. What optic is that? |
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Posted: 3/23/2014 3:09:45 PM EDT
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What optic is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
<a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg</a> This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. What optic is that? https://www.primaryarms.com/Burris-AR-536-5X-Prism-Sight-p/bu300210.htm |
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Posted: 3/23/2014 8:18:16 PM EDT
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Go with the the PTR, It's the most rifle for the money and I shoot them all. If you decide on a FAL go with a nice used one not the new "cast" DSA. <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1645_zps052f5b70.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1645_zps052f5b70.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1644_zpsa87f4725.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1644_zpsa87f4725.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1640_zps89a28959.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1640_zps89a28959.jpg</a> PTR91 on bottom. http://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html?brand=1275&cat=15 <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/f51b8ec7-c3ee-476d-9fec-b14b4b401bab_zps6da837db.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/f51b8ec7-c3ee-476d-9fec-b14b4b401bab_zps6da837db.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg</a> This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. Serious eye candy all the way around -- thanks for the pic 
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Posted: 3/26/2014 12:06:11 AM EDT
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From what I've seen, a DSA FAL should go for about a 50% premium in price over a PTR, assuming the rifles are in comparable condition. If they're the same price, then obviously the DSA FAL is not in as good condition, or the PTR has been upgraded from its factory configuration.
I recently bought a PTR GI model and then spent a couple of hundred dollars upgrading it (metal trigger housing, wide forend, bipod, etc.). The DSA FAL I bought at about the same time (for the 50% premium) was pretty complete. All I had to add was a bipod and a cleaning kit for the grip. (Both these guns were new.) Let me add that the FAL is a much more "elegant" (or "civilized," if you will) design. It's an issue of fine machining versus stampings. To me, the HK/G3 design is rather brutish by comparison. Clearly, the G3 costs a lot less to make, and, indeed, that's why the Germans made the switch. |
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Posted: 3/26/2014 12:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with the the PTR, It's the most rifle for the money and I shoot them all. If you decide on a FAL go with a nice used one not the new "cast" DSA. http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1645_zps052f5b70.jpg http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1644_zpsa87f4725.jpg http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1640_zps89a28959.jpg PTR91 on bottom. http://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html?brand=1275&cat=15 http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/f51b8ec7-c3ee-476d-9fec-b14b4b401bab_zps6da837db.jpg http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. Dat wood.... I'll be in my bunk... |
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Posted: 3/26/2014 1:39:55 PM EDT
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FAL hands down, no competition IMHO.
Just a better over all designed and built rifle, also it doesn't eat it's brass, kicks half as much and is at least if not more accurate. But you gotta go with what you decide you want ultimitely! |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:35:43 AM EDT
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I have owned both, a DSA STG58 and an HK91...and due to ergonomics I kept the FAL.
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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:00:00 PM EDT
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If you want to scope it, probably better to go with the PTR, you can get a scope mount that replaces the dust cover on the FAL if you are really set on the FAL.
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:08:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryVery nice line up! |
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:10:57 AM EDT
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Nice Mars Cetme!
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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:50:43 AM EDT
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Have you thought about maybe throwing Vepr 308 in to the mix? those are only 700. The new DA vepr would be better. da vepr
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Posted: 6/8/2014 2:30:38 PM EDT
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If it was between a real made in W. Germany HK91 and a DSA FAL that would be a tough call.
Having owned multiple copies of both I do still prefer the FAL design over the HK91/G3 type rifle. Still have two FALs in the safe. However, a real HK91 is a very, very good rifle. I would always take the DSA FAL over a PTR 91. |
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Posted: 6/9/2014 2:08:23 PM EDT
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If it was between a real made in W. Germany HK91 and a DSA FAL that would be a tough call. Having owned multiple copies of both I do still prefer the FAL design over the HK91/G3 type rifle. Still have two FALs in the safe. However, a real HK91 is a very, very good rifle. I would always take the DSA FAL over a PTR 91. The only disadvantage I see to owning an HK is the lack of bolt hold open feature. |
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Posted: 6/13/2014 9:30:19 PM EDT
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I own an FAL (IMBEL) and a 308 VEPR. I love both. Price point alone, I'd buy the VEPR. Next up would be the PTR.
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Posted: 6/15/2014 3:10:30 AM EDT
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Clearly, the G3 costs a lot less to make, and, indeed, that's why the Germans made the switch. Maybe cheaper to make, but that's not why they made the switch... though there were SOME G1s issued to the border guard I think. The Germans never had FALs in real numbers, and they went with the G3 because Belgium told them to piss off when they wanted the FAL. Wouldn't sell them rifles OR equipment to make them. |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 1:24:56 PM EDT
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Maybe cheaper to make, but that's not why they made the switch... though there were SOME G1s issued to the border guard I think. The Germans never had FALs in real numbers, and they went with the G3 because Belgium told them to piss off when they wanted the FAL. Wouldn't sell them rifles OR equipment to make them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Clearly, the G3 costs a lot less to make, and, indeed, that's why the Germans made the switch. Maybe cheaper to make, but that's not why they made the switch... though there were SOME G1s issued to the border guard I think. The Germans never had FALs in real numbers, and they went with the G3 because Belgium told them to piss off when they wanted the FAL. Wouldn't sell them rifles OR equipment to make them. They would sell the W. Germans all they wanted, just would not grant them production rights. So they purchased the rights to manufacture the CETME instead with a few modifications, the G3 was borne. HDH. |
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Posted: 6/15/2014 6:33:38 PM EDT
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Go with the the PTR, It's the most rifle for the money and I shoot them all. If you decide on a FAL go with a nice used one not the new "cast" DSA. <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1645_zps052f5b70.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1645_zps052f5b70.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1644_zpsa87f4725.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1644_zpsa87f4725.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1640_zps89a28959.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1640_zps89a28959.jpg</a> PTR91 on bottom. http://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms.html?brand=1275&cat=15 <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/f51b8ec7-c3ee-476d-9fec-b14b4b401bab_zps6da837db.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/f51b8ec7-c3ee-476d-9fec-b14b4b401bab_zps6da837db.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN1412_zps57a70f1c.jpg</a> This is the PTR91K I picked up last year, I had no problem mounting optics. The UTG rail cost me $15.00, it holds zero with no problems what so ever. HDH. Ok now, that is just showing off.
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Posted: 6/15/2014 7:29:02 PM EDT
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Honestly: The big advantage between the two specified platforms I feel falls towards the FAL. The FAL does not have a fluted chamber making it better suited for brass recycling / reloading. The FAL uses a machined receiver rather than a sheet metal stamping and the gas system is adjustable. I, like you, looked long and hard at the HK91 before purchasing my FAL. I found an older DSA built STG58 with a mint Steyr barrel. The thing is heavy but then so was my M1A. It seems a lot of the concern with DSA covers the fact that "parts kits" have dried-up so DSA is forced to manufacture their own parts in-house, including barrels. I'm no FAL "expert" but I did my research!
Happy shooting..... A fluted chamber does not hurt the brass at all. 91 is more accurate. FAL ergos better. HK clones generally suck in my opinion. I'm sick of explaining anymore on this subject & 91 vs. FAL so i'll shut up now. |
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Posted: 6/16/2014 11:42:50 PM EDT
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spend a little more for a M1A, esp if you can find an older one. PTR & DSA have made alot of substandard stuff.
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Posted: 6/22/2014 10:38:32 AM EDT
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M1A Socom all wood!:)
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Posted: 6/22/2014 12:07:29 PM EDT
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I have owned both over the years. I have owned Belgian, dsa, century, etc. I have owned hk91 and ptr. I like the hk/ptr91 better because it is shorter, the recoil is slower and softer (long impulse) and with the latest prt91sc has a welded scope mount and shorter barrel. the down side is it kicks cases into the next county and flutting mares them. the biggest thing I did not like about the fal was the skinny barrel and the rifle being about as long as a spear. the flash hider was like 5in. the 91 for short mild recoil and quick.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:54:50 AM EDT
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I have owned several FALS over the years, and one G3. I much prefer the FAL. It "fits" me, where as the G3 does not. Nothing wrong with a G3; they just aren't my cup of tea.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:05:03 PM EDT
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I have owned both over the years. I have owned Belgian, dsa, century, etc. I have owned hk91 and ptr. I like the hk/ptr91 better because it is shorter, the recoil is slower and softer (long impulse) and with the latest prt91sc has a welded scope mount and shorter barrel. the down side is it kicks cases into the next county and flutting mares them. the biggest thing I did not like about the fal was the skinny barrel and the rifle being about as long as a spear. the flash hider was like 5in. the 91 for short mild recoil and quick. The fluting does not mar the brass. The marks are carbon, and come off in the brass tumbler. They will launch the brass forward about twenty feet and munch the case neck unless you put a $15 port buffer on. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 1:26:31 PM EDT
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DSA started casting their recievers? Since when? Do they still ake forged ones?
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Posted: 6/24/2014 3:38:46 PM EDT
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Yes but you will pay for it.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 4:04:51 PM EDT
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I just ordered the PTR 91 SCCR. I have never had a safe queen so I am not sure what to do with it. Do I enjoy it and take it shooting or do I lock it up and leave it to my daughter un fired?. The Nickle normally does nothing for me but for some reason I like it. I was thinking of finding wood furniture for it but not sure I will wait till I get it in my hands .
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:05:49 PM EDT
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DSA started casting their recievers? Since when? Do they still ake forged ones? like a year ago |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:10:43 PM EDT
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This ones (DSA G1) not cast.
http://www.dsarms.com/p-13275-fal-sa58-g1-collectors-edition-762mm-rifle-21-barrel-wood-stock-bipod-black-duracoat-finish.aspx 
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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:06:54 PM EDT
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I own a DSA and a PTR and I prefer my PTR. The DSA FAL is a bit more pleasant to shoot and the sights are a little easier for me to use, but I love the ruggedness of the PTR. I got the PTR91 GI model and it eats everything and is accurate enough. The major downside is it is FILTHY!. But the rapid carbon build up on the guts hasnt hindered reliability for me at all. At $899 from Atlantic right now the GI is probably the best value around for a no-frills battle rifle.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 1:22:28 AM EDT
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This ones (DSA G1) not cast.
http://www.dsarms.com/p-13275-fal-sa58-g1-collectors-edition-762mm-rifle-21-barrel-wood-stock-bipod-black-duracoat-finish.aspx <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN2343_zpsc37372c3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN2343_zpsc37372c3.jpg</a> HDH. How old is this rifle? |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 7:49:06 AM EDT
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Everyone in this thread should read the exhaustive .308 battle rifle section in Boston T. Party's "Boston's Gun Bible". Make sure to get the latest edition. Consult www.javelin press.com He's done head-to head tests of many .308 battle rifles, which tests few on this forum have done. There is nothing new under the sun. It's all be done before. The tests have been done and the winner chosen. Buy the book to know. sorry, but the book is invaluable in many ways, and every gunowner should red it. That 's as far as the latest edition of the book goes. My personal guess is that the company that makes an AR-based gas piston rifle which is accurate at long range at a price affordable to the general public will clean up. If you're going to go with his preference, then the OP needs a LMT .308 AR like the one he bought at the last local gun show.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 3:22:22 PM EDT
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This ones (DSA G1) not cast.
http://www.dsarms.com/p-13275-fal-sa58-g1-collectors-edition-762mm-rifle-21-barrel-wood-stock-bipod-black-duracoat-finish.aspx <a href="http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN2343_zpsc37372c3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN2343_zpsc37372c3.jpg</a> 
I think it's one of the nicest rifles DSA ever made. HDH. How old is this rifle? Eight years old, 5-600 rounds down the pipe. 
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Posted: 7/8/2014 8:29:57 PM EDT
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DSA has an "economy" priced rifle called the FAL Voyager for $975.00.
Looks like a standard full size rifle. |
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Posted: 8/8/2014 2:05:03 PM EDT
[#49]
You may want to factor in magazine availability, seems the glory days of cheap FAL mags are gone and HK is also not what it used to be, but still not bad.
If you are sure about wanting an optic you can mount an optic on anything, it;s just a question of how much you are willing to compromise. Comparing the guns I have access to, an older DSA, original HK91 and a new SIG 176 patrol, I would give the nod to the SIG, mags are easy to get and as far as optics, the choices are limitless. I would also rate it as the easiest to clean, the 91 bolt can be tricky and if you have an optic on the FAL most are screw mounted with no Larue QD options out there. |
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Posted: 8/9/2014 2:40:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ........ and if you have an optic on the FAL most are screw mounted with no Larue QD options out there. IAC, no real need, most of the time to take the dust cover off for cleaning, unless you really want to. I take the DSA cover off maybe every five range trips or so. Maybe. Ah, who am I kidding...they haven't been off in at least a year. |
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