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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:39:55 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT How can I determine if it's a true national match rifle? Also, what's a good way to clean off the dried oil? I've been scrubbing with a rag and mineral spirits, but it's not touching it. |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:49:08 PM
CMP Garands are "Mix-masters." They're put together from random parts. Your barrel may be a NM, but your "rifle" is not. As you said, the receiver and barrel and different years. You have HRA parts on a SA receiver. You got a good barrel. Go shoot it.
Are you sure it's oil and not varnish? |
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Posted: 7/30/2012 5:54:19 PM
I'm well aware that most M1's have had parts swapped through the years. I'm just curious if the rifle was originally built as a national match. The crusty residue could be varnish, but it's in areas that I wouldn't think would have been varnished. I really think it's dried oil residue.
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Posted: 7/30/2012 9:28:32 PM
Your rifle very well could have been a NM and slipped past the graders at CMP.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:33:04 PM
Ooooooooooooooooooooo. Interesting. I have no idea how to help you though. It would be cool for you if it is. The guys over at milsurps.com could probably help you. Can you post pics here or there or both?
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Posted: 7/31/2012 11:50:02 PM
Very unlikely that you have a built NM rifle. It would have many other NM features that you dont have like a releived gas cylinder, unitized handguards, sights, etc. NM barrels were produced as spares and used during rearsenals and were shipped along with everything else to the Greeks.
You got a good barrel on a very late rifle. Good score! Enjoy! |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 6:32:21 AM
[Last Edit: 8/1/2012 6:32:46 AM by M1G]
Many of the Greek returns were stripped of all NM parts but the barrel, its possible
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Posted: 8/1/2012 6:38:20 AM
[Last Edit: 8/1/2012 6:42:05 AM by sleepercaprice1]
Originally Posted By M1G:
Many of the Greek returns were stripped of all NM parts but the barrel, its possible I'm thinking this is the case. The parkerizing is very dark- near black, which I understand is typical for Greek return guns. I read an article from American Rifleman that indicates thousands of NM rifles were sent to Greece where they were often fitted with standard sights and treated as normal issue rifles. I suspect that is what I have. From doing some more research after a thorough cleaning, I discovered that the barrel is a LMR and has a "Greek Cross" stamp. which means it was fitted in 1959. Whether it was built as a NM rifle or not is an unknown. According to the tag from CMP, the muzzle gauged at "1" and the throat at "3", so it should be a good shooter in any case. I feel fortunate that I got this nice a rifle. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:55:51 AM
Yeah, enjoy it. Let us know how she shoots!!!! And get some freaking pics up!!!! Pretty please?
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Posted: 8/1/2012 4:06:34 PM
To get the dried whatever off the metal, use Acetone or lacquer thinner.
This will usually dissolve whatever it is and WILL NOT harm the metal or parkerizing. It will remove stock finishes so keep it off the wood. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 5:53:51 PM
Originally Posted By dfariswheel:
To get the dried whatever off the metal, use Acetone or lacquer thinner. This will usually dissolve whatever it is and WILL NOT harm the metal or parkerizing. It will remove stock finishes so keep it off the wood. Carb cleaner worked like magic. I got it clean as a whistle now. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 11:35:46 PM
If the stock isnt glass bedded, it doesnt have NM sights or any other NM mods then its not a NM rifle...its just a rifle with a NM barrel.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 4:13:31 AM
Originally Posted By Brazos:
If the stock isnt glass bedded, it doesnt have NM sights or any other NM mods then its not a NM rifle...its just a rifle with a NM barrel. Actually from what I've read, type 1 NM's consisted of only NM barrels. I'm well aware of the fact that the rifle is not as issued. Thank you for the info, none the less. |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:55:17 PM
Is that you that posted over at milsurps also? I hope they are helping. I have no clue about all that. Mine is just a run of the mill springy made in 44.
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Posted: 8/2/2012 1:34:57 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 1:36:02 PM by Brazos]
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
Originally Posted By Brazos:
If the stock isnt glass bedded, it doesnt have NM sights or any other NM mods then its not a NM rifle...its just a rifle with a NM barrel. Actually from what I've read, type 1 NM's consisted of only NM barrels. I'm well aware of the fact that the rifle is not as issued. Thank you for the info, none the less. Type 1 NM's were barrels only...but, they were almost entirely sold to civilian shooters (and thus would not have been returned from Greece) and would likely not have been built on a reciever as late as yours. Also, all T1's that remained in inventory were converted to T2, along with most privately held T1's that shooters brought back to Perry and had converted/updated. But the great thing about these rifles is that ANYTHING is possible. |
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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:28:49 PM
I know I'm coming in late to this post, however I was just up at CMP North and picked up a Service Grade, Air Force issue M1 Garand.
Barrel is NM marked as well as the OpRod. It also has a portion of the barrel, where the OpRod rides polished. I was told the Air Force shooting team did this believing it reduced friction. The piston is NM as well. ME=1 / TE=2 I'm not saying that this was a complete NM rifle and I was not told it was by the counter help at CMP. I'm just telling you what I have. Not too bad for $625. 
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Posted: 9/11/2012 7:26:12 PM
From what I've read on several different forums, there have been a bunch of M1's released by CMP recently with NM parts. I guess I was just in the right place at the right time for once.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 9:22:29 PM
I am jealous
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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:37:36 PM
Originally Posted By ezlife45:
I am jealous They may have one or two left. Every one is an Air Force NM, Service Grade. 
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Posted: 9/13/2012 1:17:22 PM
Originally Posted By Brazos:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
Originally Posted By Brazos:
If the stock isnt glass bedded, it doesnt have NM sights or any other NM mods then its not a NM rifle...its just a rifle with a NM barrel. Actually from what I've read, type 1 NM's consisted of only NM barrels. I'm well aware of the fact that the rifle is not as issued. Thank you for the info, none the less. Type 1 NM's were barrels only...but, they were almost entirely sold to civilian shooters (and thus would not have been returned from Greece) and would likely not have been built on a reciever as late as yours. Also, all T1's that remained in inventory were converted to T2, along with most privately held T1's that shooters brought back to Perry and had converted/updated. But the great thing about these rifles is that ANYTHING is possible. The Type 1 NM was just a service grade rifle that significantly excedded the accuracy requirement and was tweaked to increase that. The NM did not get stamped on the barrel during the first few years of "production". They started hand-stamping NM on the barrel in 55 (I think). Dad remembers the rifle he was issued at Perry in 54 did not have any special markings. Anyone issued a rifle was given strict instructions against field stripping it. He remembers one young Marine that was put on a train home because of it.Unfortunately Dad didn't have the $75(?) to buy the rifle after the matches concluded. |
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Posted: 9/13/2012 4:15:58 PM
My particular rifle is a 5.9m SA which I believe was manufactured in '55-'56. The LMR barrel date is '53 and it has a "red cross" stamp on the barrel which indicates the barrel was installed in '59.
I think my rifle was probably sent to Greece at one time in it's life and came back without any other of it's NM parts. The finish is a very dark black which is what makes me think it was Greek issue. My understanding is that the Greeks received thousands of NM rifles and put them into general issue. My rifle gauged at muzzle "1" and TE "3". It's a good shooter and that's all I hoped for when I ordered it anyway. I definitely feel like I got a good deal. |
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Posted: 9/14/2012 3:23:06 PM
[Last Edit: 9/14/2012 3:24:48 PM by JJREA]
Does it have to be so far to the right to be zero'd? I'm just curious. It seems pretty far. I know they're not going to all line up with the middle notch though.
If it shoots good, it doesn't matter. My M-1 carbine has to be about that far to the left to be zero'd. It's fine at 50 and 100. But one time I shot it at 300 and I was hitting my brothers target, who was incidentally to my left. I don't know how to remedy that. Your Garand is beautiful though, as are the pics. Thanks for posting. |
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Posted: 9/14/2012 4:16:35 PM
I haven't fired it yet. Could be from someone fingering it at CMP. I saw a guys kid cranking on a few of them.
Now my carbine, the sight is way left for a solid zero. Most of my AR's and pistols are the same way. I'm right handed, but left eye dominant. |
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Posted: 9/14/2012 5:41:07 PM
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Does it have to be so far to the right to be zero'd? I'm just curious. It seems pretty far. I know they're not going to all line up with the middle notch though. If it shoots good, it doesn't matter. My M-1 carbine has to be about that far to the left to be zero'd. It's fine at 50 and 100. But one time I shot it at 300 and I was hitting my brothers target, who was incidentally to my left. I don't know how to remedy that. Your Garand is beautiful though, as are the pics. Thanks for posting. It might be worthwhile to look at the front sight. If the front sight is installed toward one side or the other, the rear will possibly have to be as well. I've seen M1's that had the front sights offset for some reason. Usually the rear was offset to the same side. |
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Posted: 9/14/2012 9:51:12 PM
[Last Edit: 9/14/2012 9:51:37 PM by TGH456E]
The reason you see M1's (but other rifles used in target shooting) with the front sight off-set is to allow maximum windage with the rear sight.
In other words- you zero with the front sight leaving the rear centered in back and then whe shooting at distance you have a zero'd rear sight and can return to it easily. It's a common thing with M1's used as target rifles......... |
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Posted: 9/15/2012 5:47:59 AM
Originally Posted By TGH456E:
The reason you see M1's (but other rifles used in target shooting) with the front sight off-set is to allow maximum windage with the rear sight. In other words- you zero with the front sight leaving the rear centered in back and then whe shooting at distance you have a zero'd rear sight and can return to it easily. It's a common thing with M1's used as target rifles......... That makes perfect sense. |
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