So ,I ordered some tubes from apogee. A mix of stainless, aluminum, $ titanium. Shipped fast. Product inspection realized way out of spec ti tubes (when I ordered he had the dimensions listed, since took it down or changed). I start the email process. After several days of back and forth, he issues a refund enough to cover shipping back to him.I actually ordered more products at this point, figuring he was an honorable man. He acknowledged receipt of the pair of tubes. Then the problem started. He just quit communicating. I threatened action through paypal. He stalled me about 3 days , said his pp account was messed up. % days later still nothing. I attempted to start a dispute through pp, he closed his his account. (the stall was the time he needed I guess). Now ,nothing, won't answer any emails. What an ass. Maybe you all can learn from my $150 raping.