450 Bushmaster Rugers

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Posted: 3/24/2017 4:20:24 PM EDT

Glad ruger is branching out some more. I would like to see where they are heading as i have always liked ruger. While i would like them to offer an American ranch model with a heavier profile barrel and a factory mag that can load longer 5.56 rounds, this is ok i guess. But why is Ruger all of a sudden pushing the 450 bushmaster? They already came out with a American ranch in it and the Gunsite scout is now chambered in it. There was also a rumor that they are also working on one of their AR15 variants in 450 as well. It just seems odd to me. Maybe i am just out of the circle, but i always thought the bushmaster was never that popular and the 458 SOCOM was all the rage now a days. What is everyone's opinion on this?

Posted: 3/24/2017 5:22:46 PM EDT

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In the deer hunting states that have shotgun zones this is big news.

Posted: 3/24/2017 8:14:50 PM EDT

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And why does it not use Mini-14 magazines? Another propriety magazine!

Posted: 3/24/2017 8:44:06 PM EDT

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Are you taking about the Scout in 450 ? The use a normal .308 magazine and feed great .

Posted: 3/25/2017 10:19:01 AM EDT

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The .450 bushmaster was designed for use in the .223 m-16 magazine.

Posted: 3/25/2017 11:31:21 AM EDT

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The .450 bushmaster was designed for use in the .223 m-16 magazine.

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In the ar15 yes but they feed great from the ACIS style magazine . The magazine in that Ruger scout looks to be just that .
Edit here's one of the first remingtons I did in 450
https://youtu.be/am30H_TowGI

Posted: 3/25/2017 5:08:08 PM EDT

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In the deer hunting states that have shotgun zones this is big news.

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Well that is why i asked. Since that doesnt affect me i didnt know. That is pretty great to hear.
I assume that places limited to shotguns can use straight walled pistol cartridges?

Now ruger just has to release longer 5.56 nato mags for the american rifles.

Posted: 3/25/2017 5:57:35 PM EDT

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Lower Mi rules allow straight wall pistol cases to 1.8". Big improvement over shotgun shells.
I just built a 45 raptor in a 700 bolt so far it's shooting great at a hundred getting three inch groups at 300 yards.

Posted: 3/25/2017 6:35:02 PM EDT

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Lower Mi rules allow straight wall pistol cases to 1.8". Big improvement over shotgun shells.
I just built a 45 raptor in a 700 bolt so far it's shooting great at a hundred getting three inch groups at 300 yards.

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That is awesome! I hope you enjoy it. I always wanted to make a bolt action in 458 socom since every gun that i could afford in 45-70 i didn't like.

Posted: 4/12/2017 7:54:07 AM EDT

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And the 450 likes to be shot suppressed........Definitely a great option for Michigan hunters to now hunt statewide suppressed.

Posted: 4/12/2017 6:27:28 PM EDT

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Because .450 is straight wall, it is legal in more places for hunting reasons.

So it can blow the shit out of more things, in more places, more legally.

Posted: 4/13/2017 4:12:50 PM EDT

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And the 450 likes to be shot suppressed........Definitely a great option for Michigan hunters to now hunt statewide suppressed.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/zya_ltr/02B45BBE-95B9-46A6-BD50-4EA24A0A1DD2_zps7skawghu.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/zya_ltr/th_0C67CA87-17E2-4155-9D02-13B552F360F2_zps1u78y7k7.mp4

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Epic!

Posted: 4/25/2017 8:00:27 PM EDT

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Did you use the sico brake and asr adaptor to mount that hybrid or did you find another solution?

The $200+ cost of the asr and brake to mount my hybrid is all that is preventing me from getting a 450 ruger.

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Posted: 9/1/2017 8:42:27 PM EDT

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Are you taking about the Scout in 450 ? The use a normal .308 magazine and feed great .

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Wow, it looks like Ruger took my advice!
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/09/01/ruger-american-rifle-now-offered-7-62x39mm-mini-thirty-magazines/

Posted: 9/23/2017 10:12:39 AM EDT

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How are the American's in 450B? I have a 77/44 and wouldn't mind a little more umph.

Posted: 10/1/2017 2:54:45 PM EDT

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I have a 77/44 and a RAR 450, which I shot for the first time yesterday. I really like the RAR. The action is not as smooth as the 77/44 and the action (and magazine) are significantly longer than they need to be, but maybe this will allow more replacement stock options to fit? Feeding was perfect except for one time when I short stroked it and failed to pick up a new round, again probably because the action is longer than it needs to be. I did the RAR trigger mod and its great now.
I was concerned about the recoil reports I had heard but I didn't think it was bad at all. Maybe just a tad more than a stout load from the 77/44. The RAR recoil pad is much better than the 77/44 pad and I'm sure the muzzle brake helps as well but its freaking loud. I am looking forward to shooting it with my Hybrid once the stamp clears and I think that will reduce the recoil even more than the stock brake.
I only shot 18 rounds yesterday (short on time) but accuracy looks good. 3 shot groups usually had 2 under an inch with a 3rd stretching it to 1.5 inches. I fired my last 3 shots on steel at 200 yards and they were just over 1". May have been some luck involved there but I'll take it.
Iowa is a straight wall deer state starting this year and I think Ruger will sell a shit ton of these here, much better option than a 12 ga slug.

Posted: 10/1/2017 5:11:13 PM EDT

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I have a 77/44 and a RAR 450, which I shot for the first time yesterday. I really like the RAR. The action is not as smooth as the 77/44 and the action (and magazine) are significantly longer than they need to be, but maybe this will allow more replacement stock options to fit? Feeding was perfect except for one time when I short stroked it and failed to pick up a new round, again probably because the action is longer than it needs to be. I did the RAR trigger mod and its great now.
I was concerned about the recoil reports I had heard but I didn't think it was bad at all. Maybe just a tad more than a stout load from the 77/44. The RAR recoil pad is much better than the 77/44 pad and I'm sure the muzzle brake helps as well but its freaking loud. I am looking forward to shooting it with my Hybrid once the stamp clears and I think that will reduce the recoil even more than the stock brake.
I only shot 18 rounds yesterday (short on time) but accuracy looks good. 3 shot groups usually had 2 under an inch with a 3rd stretching it to 1.5 inches. I fired my last 3 shots on steel at 200 yards and they were just over 1". May have been some luck involved there but I'll take it.
Iowa is a straight wall deer state starting this year and I think Ruger will sell a shit ton of these here, much better option than a 12 ga slug.

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How are the American's in 450B? I have a 77/44 and wouldn't mind a little more umph.

I have a 77/44 and a RAR 450, which I shot for the first time yesterday. I really like the RAR. The action is not as smooth as the 77/44 and the action (and magazine) are significantly longer than they need to be, but maybe this will allow more replacement stock options to fit? Feeding was perfect except for one time when I short stroked it and failed to pick up a new round, again probably because the action is longer than it needs to be. I did the RAR trigger mod and its great now.
I was concerned about the recoil reports I had heard but I didn't think it was bad at all. Maybe just a tad more than a stout load from the 77/44. The RAR recoil pad is much better than the 77/44 pad and I'm sure the muzzle brake helps as well but its freaking loud. I am looking forward to shooting it with my Hybrid once the stamp clears and I think that will reduce the recoil even more than the stock brake.
I only shot 18 rounds yesterday (short on time) but accuracy looks good. 3 shot groups usually had 2 under an inch with a 3rd stretching it to 1.5 inches. I fired my last 3 shots on steel at 200 yards and they were just over 1". May have been some luck involved there but I'll take it.
Iowa is a straight wall deer state starting this year and I think Ruger will sell a shit ton of these here, much better option than a 12 ga slug.

If I Ohio would have allowed 450B from the start I would have built one, but they only allowed a few cartridges on the allowable rifle list the first two years. That's why I bought the 77/44.

I'm glad to hear your report. Handloads or factory ammo?

Posted: 10/1/2017 9:00:18 PM EDT

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Ammo was Hornady Black. From what I have read there is room for more performance in the 450 when reloaded (in the stronger bolt action) so I may pick up a set of dies eventually. I really like my 77/44 I just wish it was as accurate as the RAR is, but it will still make a good 100 yard deer rifle for my boys.

Posted: 10/1/2017 9:17:57 PM EDT

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Aside from the Michigan connection, I think the 450 BM is a great cartridge with a big thump. The .444 Marlin was a great round, but has fallen off the bandwagon. The 450 BM takes up where this left off and made it even better.

Posted: 10/1/2017 9:51:09 PM EDT

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Ammo was Hornady Black. From what I have read there is room for more performance in the 450 when reloaded (in the stronger bolt action) so I may pick up a set of dies eventually. I really like my 77/44 I just wish it was as accurate as the RAR is, but it will still make a good 100 yard deer rifle for my boys.

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I'm still a little disappointed with the 77/44's accuracy, so it makes me happy to see the RAR's seem to be better off.

I've already bought some components meant for the future rifle.

Posted: 10/1/2017 9:59:06 PM EDT

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I would love to see Ruger come out with a semi-auto like the Deerfield chambered in the 450 BM. It is more likely they will make a take-down SR762 similar to the SR556 take-down that shoots both .308 and 450 BM.

Posted: 10/7/2017 12:07:06 AM EDT

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It's a niche market that is expanding. Ohio used to never allow rifles, then it allowed some straight walled cartridges, now it is any straight walled .357-.50. I would rather use a .458 socom but can't. .500mag, 45-70, 45-110 are all legal, but .458 socom isn't because it has a very small bottleneck.

It's very flat in most of ohio and 2/3 of ohio gun hunting is done by complete idiots with 30 people surrounding a woods and pushing it. I would rather see a single shot .300win mag be legal, and ban pushing woods.

Posted: 10/9/2017 12:11:40 AM EDT

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I would love to see Ruger come out with a semi-auto like the Deerfield chambered in the 450 BM. It is more likely they will make a take-down SR762 similar to the SR556 take-down that shoots both .308 and 450 BM.

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Not to burst your bubble, but the .450BM is an AR15-length cartridge. I'm not aware of a .45 AR10-sized cartridge that's publicly available. There is the .45 RAPTOR (a rimless .460 S&W) but it's proprietary so Ruger's not touching it with a ten foot pole.

Posted: 10/9/2017 4:42:16 PM EDT

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It's a niche market that is expanding. Ohio used to never allow rifles, then it allowed some straight walled cartridges, now it is any straight walled .357-.50. I would rather use a .458 socom but can't. .500mag, 45-70, 45-110 are all legal, but .458 socom isn't because it has a very small bottleneck.

It's very flat in most of ohio and 2/3 of ohio gun hunting is done by complete idiots with 30 people surrounding a woods and pushing it. I would rather see a single shot .300win mag be legal, and ban pushing woods.

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.45-70 is a no go in southern Michigan due to length restrictions. I did hear talk of folks cutting down a .45-70 case to legal length, but there's no real need with the .450BM.

Posted: 10/10/2017 10:29:32 AM EDT

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Iowa just legalized straight walled cartridges in rifles for deer hunting. 450BM is getting very popular around here.

Posted: 10/10/2017 12:29:58 PM EDT

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I'm curious how many of these have been sold. I know that have been a ton of them just in Ohio.

Posted: 10/10/2017 6:35:43 PM EDT

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Selling as many as we can get our hands on. Converted Remingtons and Savages work great also.

Posted: 10/13/2017 9:16:08 PM EDT

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Did you use the sico brake and asr adaptor to mount that hybrid or did you find another solution?

The $200+ cost of the asr and brake to mount my hybrid is all that is preventing me from getting a 450 ruger.

PS Do I know you?

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And the 450 likes to be shot suppressed........

Did you use the sico brake and asr adaptor to mount that hybrid or did you find another solution?

The $200+ cost of the asr and brake to mount my hybrid is all that is preventing me from getting a 450 ruger.

PS Do I know you?

Really would like to the answer to this one.

Posted: 10/13/2017 11:30:27 PM EDT

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PM BigWaylon for contact info for his machinist. He will sell you an 11/16x24 titanium direct thread adapter for your Hybrid for $70 shipped. I've bought 3 adapters and 2 end caps from him so far, good stuff.

Posted: 10/14/2017 9:16:47 AM EDT

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Very good. Will contact him.

Posted: 10/14/2017 1:59:31 PM EDT

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Not to burst your bubble, but the .450BM is an AR15-length cartridge. I'm not aware of a .45 AR10-sized cartridge that's publicly available. There is the .45 RAPTOR (a rimless .460 S&W) but it's proprietary so Ruger's not touching it with a ten foot pole.

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Yes, I stand corrected! Perhaps the SR556 takedown will eventually accommodate the BM!

Posted: 10/24/2017 7:01:24 PM EDT

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I took a nice buck with my Ruger last week. It definitely works as advertised!

I know Ruger is trying to hit a price point, but the stock is just so cheap I'm probably going to replace it. I know Randy's in Michigan is the epicenter of the Ruger .450BM universe so I'll have to see what they have for stocks. I doubt Magpul will make a lefty version of their $300 wunderstock.

Posted: 10/30/2017 8:18:50 PM EDT

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I have nothing to add to this conversation other than that it's making me think of getting a .450 BM GSR to match my .308, for stupid state restrictions on hunting.

Posted: 11/6/2017 12:07:45 AM EDT

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Weird- I was just looking at one today versus a 77/44.

Never looked at either before today.

How's the recoil on the 450 bm compared to my marlin 4570 1895 guide gun

Posted: 11/10/2017 2:21:13 PM EDT

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Weird- I was just looking at one today versus a 77/44.

Never looked at either before today.

How's the recoil on the 450 bm compared to my marlin 4570 1895 guide gun

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With same weight bullets the Ruger will kick harder because it's quite a bit lighter. Yes, I have both rifles though I don't usually shoot 250gr .45/70.

I find that both rifles benefit greatly from inexpensive cheek pads. Those with the pouch on the non-cheek side typically are not big enough to fit the very wide Ruger American mag. Cartridge loops on a magazine fed rifle are pretty dippy, IMO, but obviously work fine with an 1895.

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