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Posted: 9/8/2014 11:54:39 AM EDT
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http://www.shootingtimes.com/first-look/first-look-ruger-gunsite-scout-rifle-223-rem-5-56-nato/ Shame even in 5.56/.223 it won't take AR mags. Nice rifle, though. Made link hot. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:04:16 PM EDT
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Was sure hoping their "Big Announcement" was a 5 shot 44 on the GP frame
A bit underwhelmed. Maybe it will grow on me, but with an AR, my first response was "why?" Doc |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:07:52 PM EDT
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Misses the mark. I'll take a Savage MVP over it any day.
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:10:24 PM EDT
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Misses the mark. I'll take a Savage MVP over it any day. Yep, that was my other thought.....why hamstring yourself with those mags.. Don't see this doing real well against the MVP. Doc |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:30:59 PM EDT
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http://www.shootingtimes.com/first-look/first-look-ruger-gunsite-scout-rifle-223-rem-5-56-nato/ Shame even in 5.56/.223 it won't take AR mags. Nice rifle, though. Why would they even do this? It takes a mag but a proprietary one? |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 5:39:45 PM EDT
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They couldn't even make it take Mini-14 mags? Complete failure. For what I'm sure will be an outrageous price, I see absolutely no need for this. Glad I sold all my Rugers. I was hoping for something great to get me back on the bandwagon.
But hey, I'm sure they'll offer you full capacity mags for $35 a piece in about 20 years. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:32:24 PM EDT
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Seems like it would weigh a ton for what it is.
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:48:11 PM EDT
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7.10 lbs.
Buy one as a collector's item, as I can't see these selling. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they even do this? It takes a mag but a proprietary one? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.shootingtimes.com/first-look/first-look-ruger-gunsite-scout-rifle-223-rem-5-56-nato/ Shame even in 5.56/.223 it won't take AR mags. Nice rifle, though. Why would they even do this? It takes a mag but a proprietary one?   |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 7:30:16 PM EDT
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7.10 lbs. Buy one as a collector's item, as I can't see these selling. I was hoping for a lgt wgt GSR. 0.1 lbs heavier than .308 
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:09:52 PM EDT
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Well, at least it's purdy lookin'.
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:12:00 PM EDT
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NEVER thought I'd say this but, I'd take a Mossberg MVP that takes ar mags over this Ruger any day
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Posted: 9/8/2014 10:15:51 PM EDT
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I get why they didn't use AR mags, but Big fail that it doesn't take Mini-14 mags. I really had my fingers crossed for 5.56 and maybe even 7.62x39 versions using the readily available and inexpensive Mini mags.
My personal experience with 3 different MVPs (2 patrols, 1 predator) must be a lot different than you guys... Several types of mags wouldn't lock in, bolt was very wobbly and kept hanging up trying to load a round unless you held it just right... Not impressed at all. The weight isn't a problem for me here. The stock on the GSR is what makes it heavier than the patrol. Apples to apples ( laminated stock vs laminated stock) the weight is similar. I'm left handed, so Savage has gotten most of my bolt action business over the years. I do at least appreciate Ruger offering lefty versions of both. But bottom line... Way less excited about this announcement given the magazine choice. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 12:37:09 AM EDT
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I keep looking at the follower on my mini 14 mags and I'm not sure that they would work so well on a bolt action with the way they actuate the last round hold open on the mini. I'm thinking Ruger might have had a reason not to use unmodified mini magazines with this new Scout. Now could they have used the same body with a different follower and created a cheaper alternate magazine? Possibly.
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Posted: 9/9/2014 2:02:46 AM EDT
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Mossberg has patented the technology that makes feeding bolt actions from double stack magazines possible.
The only way we would see the GSR do the same is if the two companies worked out a licensing agreement. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 6:05:06 PM EDT
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I love mine in .308; I'll pass on 5.56.
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Posted: 9/9/2014 8:36:38 PM EDT
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It should have been a 6.5 creedmore or 260 rem. or do they already make that?
Ruger just seems to miss the mark as much as they hit it. Why not a 22-250 with a fast twist (1 in 7 twist) barrel in the American bolt action in stainless steel? Why not a super redhawk in 45 LC but with the faster twist barrel than the 454 has? Why not a 480 ruger 5 shot single action? Beef the frame if you have to. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:11:30 AM EDT
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I love mine in .308; I'll pass on 5.56. This. Now, if they made a x39..... Hmmmm |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:16:30 AM EDT
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I love mine in .308; I'll pass on 5.56. This. Now, if they made a x39..... Hmmmm Absolutely that. As it is I'm torn between a GSR in .308, and a Mini-30 Tac. It would be an even harder choice between a GSR in x39 and a Mini-30 Tac. I might even have to get both. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:21:40 AM EDT
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I'll just pick up another AR.
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll just pick up another AR.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 9:34:51 AM EDT
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Saves some weight and even loads itself after each shot.
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I'll just pick up another AR.
And uses compatible mags.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 9:35:00 PM EDT
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I would have bought one if it took AR mags or at least Mini mags. Forget it. You have to wonder what the hell Ruger was thinking.
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Posted: 9/12/2014 5:43:26 PM EDT
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I really do like this rifle, but as mentioned above, it needed to take a standard mag. No go for me.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 5:49:53 PM EDT
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AICS mags? I dont see a ruger specific mag on the accurate-mag website. That is perfectly ok if it is, and is really better than anything else. They are the best bolt action mags available. The polymer 10 rnd 223 aics mags are about $40.
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Posted: 9/14/2014 6:00:05 PM EDT
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The fact it doesn't take AR mags is pretty stupid.
The fact that it doesn't take even a Ruger mini 14 mag that Ruger makes is bordering on insane. Each of the above mags are presently in production and available in sizes to be compliant even in stupid states Management at Ruger comes up with some very interesting guns but almost always they manage to incorporate at least two messed up items on every new gun . Usually it is just a crappy trigger |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 6:51:33 PM EDT
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The fact it doesn't take AR mags is pretty stupid. The fact that it doesn't take even a Ruger mini 14 mag that Ruger makes is bordering on insane. Each of the above mags are presently in production and available in sizes to be compliant even in stupid states Management at Ruger comes up with some very interesting guns but almost always they manage to incorporate at least two messed up items on every new gun . Usually it is just a crappy trigger You do realize it is using the industry standard magazine for bolt guns correct?
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Posted: 9/15/2014 9:49:33 PM EDT
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7.62X39 would be great!!! If they made one in the Russian 7.62X39 that shoots the steel case Russian stuff I would buy one today. |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:24:21 PM EDT
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You do realize it is using the industry standard magazine for bolt guns correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The fact it doesn't take AR mags is pretty stupid. The fact that it doesn't take even a Ruger mini 14 mag that Ruger makes is bordering on insane. Each of the above mags are presently in production and available in sizes to be compliant even in stupid states Management at Ruger comes up with some very interesting guns but almost always they manage to incorporate at least two messed up items on every new gun . Usually it is just a crappy trigger You do realize it is using the industry standard magazine for bolt guns correct? I dont think anybody here ventures to the precision rifles section or the hide. 223 AICS mags rock |
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Posted: 9/15/2014 11:25:04 PM EDT
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7.62X39 would be great!!! If they made one in the Russian 7.62X39 that shoots the steel case Russian stuff I would buy one today. Savage made one. Not sure if they still do. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 7:55:36 AM EDT
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:08:33 AM EDT
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:26:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I think a straight pull rotating bolt .300 that fed from AR mags would be a lot of fun. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:27:27 PM EDT
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Please explain this to me. AR's feed fine from AR mags, I don't see why a bolt gun couldn't be made that could feed just fine from them as well. I think a straight pull rotating bolt .300 that fed from AR mags would be a lot of fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I think a straight pull rotating bolt .300 that fed from AR mags would be a lot of fun. I dont know why firearms makers havent embraced the AR magazine for 223 bolt actions. Seems like a no brainier to me too. Most bolt guns with detachable mags use a proprietary mag. The AICS mags are about the only ones common with multiple manufactures DBM or chassis systems....and they are usually higher end firearms. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 12:08:55 AM EDT
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There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I am curious to know what testing and research you have done that lead to these conclusions ? |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 8:50:20 AM EDT
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I am curious to know what testing and research you have done that lead to these conclusions ? No idea why other builders havent used AR mags in a bolt gun. Must be a design constraint. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:32:01 AM EDT
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I like these guns, I have messed around with the .308 version and think they are well made
although there isn't a "need" for this I would buy one if had the chance. They are fun to shoot and something different. Just my .02 |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:34:42 AM EDT
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AICS mags? I dont see a ruger specific mag on the accurate-mag website. That is perfectly ok if it is, and is really better than anything else. They are the best bolt action mags available. The polymer 10 rnd 223 aics mags are about $40. And take like 2.4" COAL. 
Makes those 80gr Bergers sing. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:37:24 AM EDT
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No idea why other builders havent used AR mags in a bolt gun. Must be a design constraint. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I am curious to know what testing and research you have done that lead to these conclusions ? No idea why other builders havent used AR mags in a bolt gun. Must be a design constraint. DBMG makes a bottom metal that adapts AR mags to 700s, but you have to mill most of the bottom of the receiver away. Double stack/double feed mags are still a PITA anyway. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 9:47:18 AM EDT
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Looks pretty nice, but would still rather have an AR platform.
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:02:29 AM EDT
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:07:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 12:53:08 PM EDT
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DBMG makes a bottom metal that adapts AR mags to 700s, but you have to mill most of the bottom of the receiver away. Double stack/double feed mags are still a PITA anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I am curious to know what testing and research you have done that lead to these conclusions ? No idea why other builders havent used AR mags in a bolt gun. Must be a design constraint. DBMG makes a bottom metal that adapts AR mags to 700s, but you have to mill most of the bottom of the receiver away. Double stack/double feed mags are still a PITA anyway. Ive only seen those on the net.....never one jn person or for sale. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:26:35 PM EDT
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DBMG makes a bottom metal that adapts AR mags to 700s, but you have to mill most of the bottom of the receiver away. Double stack/double feed mags are still a PITA anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. I am curious to know what testing and research you have done that lead to these conclusions ? No idea why other builders havent used AR mags in a bolt gun. Must be a design constraint. DBMG makes a bottom metal that adapts AR mags to 700s, but you have to mill most of the bottom of the receiver away. Double stack/double feed mags are still a PITA anyway. That's a joke, right ? |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:33:21 PM EDT
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All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. Detachable magazines Is the direction bolt actions went a longtime ago. Affordable open source magazines is just the logical progression of that.. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 10:42:03 PM EDT
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That's a joke, right ? No, not at all. |
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Posted: 9/27/2014 10:35:09 AM EDT
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I like the Idea of this gun. In some states you can't hunt with semi auto rifles, and having a lightweight .223 bolt gun with a detachable mag for yotes and smaller stuff would be nice, especially if you have to walk far with it, unlike Texas (ya, I'm from TX so not trash talking it) where you can stick your AR out your living room window and take a deer with it. I've messed with the .308 version and plan on getting one like that myself. The .223 version just isn't needed in my armory until I move somewhere colder.
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Posted: 9/29/2014 9:17:50 PM EDT
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I have ben critical of Ruger not putting a Mini 14 magazine or AR magazine on this rifle. But I understand you can put a much heavier and longer bullet in the magazine and it has a 1/8 twist. I may have to rethink my criticism. But, to take advantage of the 1/8 twist and a longer magazine to load longer bullets, the rifle is in BAD NEED of a longer barrel. This combo needs a 20 inch barrel to get the maximum benefit out of any potential heavier and longer bullet. I hope there is more to come on this rifle. kwg
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Posted: 9/30/2014 6:55:53 PM EDT
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All of the pissing and moaning about it not taking AR mags shows how little many folks understand about bolt guns. Kind of sad, but it is AR15.com. I guess over on the chevy forums people are bitching that the new Mustang didn't come with a 350/TH350. QFT |
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Posted: 9/30/2014 8:28:50 PM EDT
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Did you own an MVP or have you shot an MVP, let's say.....more then once? And if you could please clarify in further detail why it's a piece of junk? Because of the Mossberg name? The bolt wobble? Location of the magazine release? What?
I have a MVP Patrol 5.56 and it's a fine shooting rifle. That reliably feeds from an AR-15 magazine, with a decent factory trigger. And it looks pretty cool all tricked out in an aluminum chassis. :) If I didn't own the MVP, I'd be all over the GSR in 5.56mm. Even with it taking AICS magazines. Would have been cool, if they would have gone with Mini-14 magazines. 
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MVP! I love ruger but not taking the easiest and most plentiful magazine on earth - ar15/M16 mag- is a idiotic move. There is a reason that nobody wants to produce a bolt gun that feeds from ar mags.......the same reason that the mvp is a piece of junk. Ruger picked the bolt action magazine of choice, aics. |
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