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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:52:56 AM EDT
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You ship it direct to them, they ship it back to you. No transfer takes place and it's really no different that repair work on any other firearm. Just make sure the shipper you use doesn't have any special restrictions on the item.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 12:58:34 PM EDT
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Plus, if you're not shipping it with a barrel, it's not even an NFA item at that time.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 8:37:58 AM EDT
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Thanks everyone, that was what I thought but wanted some feedback.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 10:35:06 AM EDT
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What can they repair on a lower? I had to send back a lower once for warranty and they simply replaced it, new serial and everything.
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Posted: 4/21/2017 2:53:53 PM EDT
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That would cause a problem, I think, unless they were able to destroy the old and apply the same serial number to the new.
Can they do that with suppressors or SBRs? Rob |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 3:07:35 PM EDT
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That would cause a problem, I think, unless they were able to destroy the old and apply the same serial number to the new. Can they do that with suppressors or SBRs? Rob I believe some manufacturers got in trouble years back doing that to replace worn-out MG receivers, and the ATF put the brakes on it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 3:17:51 PM EDT
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Plus, if you're not shipping it with a barrel, it's not even an NFA item at that time. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 4:33:15 PM EDT
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huh? Same reason you can sell the lower (stripped or built) from your SBR without any NFA paperwork, and also cross state lines without a 5320.20 if it has no upper or an upper with at least a 16" barrel. A stripped lower is not an NFA item by itself, even if your info is engraved on it. I was simply point out if you're shipping just the lower, there aren't any extra laws to consider. Yeah, you'd have an issue if it had to be replaced...but no special paperwork to send it in. |
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Posted: 4/23/2017 6:14:51 PM EDT
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This is a dedicated colt 9mm lower, and the ejector is a pinned drop in.
I suspect the ejector may be faulty and that is the part I want to get swapped out. They are mailing me the part, and I am going to see if I can replace it myself. Hopefully I dont have to mail the lower back. |
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Posted: 4/23/2017 11:31:24 PM EDT
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As I understand it, you cannot do a "destroy and replace" on the serialized NFA item like you can with Title 1 firearms. I believe some manufacturers got in trouble years back doing that to replace worn-out MG receivers, and the ATF put the brakes on it. 
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Posted: 4/25/2017 9:27:54 AM EDT
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Definition of a short-barreled rifle includes a short barrel. Same reason you can sell the lower (stripped or built) from your SBR without any NFA paperwork, and also cross state lines without a 5320.20 if it has no upper or an upper with at least a 16" barrel. A stripped lower is not an NFA item by itself, even if your info is engraved on it. I was simply point out if you're shipping just the lower, there aren't any extra laws to consider. Yeah, you'd have an issue if it had to be replaced...but no special paperwork to send it in. you cannot register a receiver and make an SBR, then just sell it to a buddy sans upper or with a 16" barreled upper (as you could a non NFA receiver).. it doesn't work that way. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 10:48:05 AM EDT
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if the receiver is on the NFA registry as a SBR, it's still an NFA item, even when configured with a 16" barrel. until you notify the ATF to take the receiver off the registry and that it will never be configured with a rifle barrel under 16", it'll remain an SBR where they're concerned. you cannot register a receiver and make an SBR, then just sell it to a buddy sans upper or with a 16" barreled upper (as you could a non NFA receiver).. it doesn't work that way. Q: May I transfer the receiver of a short-barrel rifle or shotgun to an FFL or to an individual as I would any GCA firearm? A: Yes. A weapon that does not meet the definition of a NFA firearm is not subject to the NFA and a possessor or transferor needn't comply with NFA requirements. The firearm is considered a GCA firearm and may be transferred under the provisions of that law. Q: Who is responsible for notifying the NFA Branch when I transfer the GCA firearm to a FFL or another individual? A: There is no requirement that the transferor or transferee of a GCA firearm notify the NFA branch of a transfer or that either party determine whether the firearm was previously registered under the NFA. There is no also no requirement for the registrant or possessor of a NFA firearm to notify ATF of the removal of features that caused the firearm to be subject to the NFA; however, ATF recommends the owner notify the NFA Branch in writing if a firearm is permanently removed from the NFA. Q: What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)? A: While a receiver alone may be classified as a firearm under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length. The serialized receiver is recorded for registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR). Q: I possess a properly registered SBR or SBS. I intend to strip the receiver and remove the barrel prior to selling the receiver. Is the bare receiver still subject to regulation under the NFA as a SBR or SBS? A: A stripped receiver without a barrel does not meet the definition of a SBR or SBS under the NFA. Although the previously registered firearm would remain registered unless the possessor notified the NFA Branch of the change, there is no provision in statute or regulation requiring registration of a firearm without a barrel because its physical characteristics would make it only a GCA firearm pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)(B). If the subsequent owner buys the receiver as a GCA firearm and installs a barrel less than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS), the firearm would be subject to a $200 making tax and registration under the NFA by the manufacturer or maker of the SBR or SBS. Because registration depends upon the stated intent of the applicant, there is no provision to allow registration of a NFA firearm by anyone other than the maker or manufacturer. Q: If I remove the short barrel from the registered SBR or SBS, is the receiver still subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations? A: If the possessor retains control over the barrel or other parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm would still be subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations. ATF recommends contacting State law enforcement officials to ensure compliance with state and local law. Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change? A: Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS. (And just as info...when they've answered the "maintain control" question, it means having it in your possession at that time with the receiver. So, you can travel with the item if the upper/barrel stays home, and don't have to sell it) |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 2:49:17 PM EDT
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if the receiver is on the NFA registry as a SBR, it's still an NFA item, even when configured with a 16" barrel. until you notify the ATF to take the receiver off the registry and that it will never be configured with a rifle barrel under 16", it'll remain an SBR where they're concerned. you cannot register a receiver and make an SBR, then just sell it to a buddy sans upper or with a 16" barreled upper (as you could a non NFA receiver).. it doesn't work that way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Definition of a short-barreled rifle includes a short barrel. Same reason you can sell the lower (stripped or built) from your SBR without any NFA paperwork, and also cross state lines without a 5320.20 if it has no upper or an upper with at least a 16" barrel. A stripped lower is not an NFA item by itself, even if your info is engraved on it. I was simply point out if you're shipping just the lower, there aren't any extra laws to consider. Yeah, you'd have an issue if it had to be replaced...but no special paperwork to send it in. you cannot register a receiver and make an SBR, then just sell it to a buddy sans upper or with a 16" barreled upper (as you could a non NFA receiver).. it doesn't work that way. temporary changes do NOT require a new stamp to be reconfigured as NFA. if a transfer is involved, it is no longer a temporary change but a permanent one. There is no law to force someone to notify BATFE if a change has been made, permanent or temporary; but they kindly request notice of permanent changes. |
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Posted: 4/25/2017 9:56:55 PM EDT
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ok.
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Posted: 4/26/2017 12:29:54 AM EDT
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THANK YOU for finally addressing the myth about SBR/SBS!
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