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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:44:16 PM EDT
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Hello All, My AR-15 7.5 pistol was approved few month ago in 556 cal. Since I own five 556 cal AR-15 rifles, I would like to convert one them to 300 blackout with 10.5" barrel. Can I legally own another short barrel (10.5") AR-15 upper in 300 blackout cal? Thanks, Cal Your pistol was approved? Do you mean your SBR was approved? You can own all the additional short uppers you want, but they have to be for the stamped lower. You can't convert one of the other lowers to have a 10.5" upper unless you get that lower stamped first. I think you're on the right track, and hopefully it's just the way you worded that question that is throwing me off. |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 11:44:41 PM EDT
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Hello All, My AR-15 7.5 pistol was approved few month ago in 556 cal. Since I own five 556 cal AR-15 rifles, I would like to convert one them to 300 blackout with 10.5" barrel. Can I legally own another short barrel (10.5") AR-15 upper in 300 blackout cal? Thanks, Cal Yes, you can...assuming you have the potential for a legal configuration and don't put an SBR upper on a regular lower, unless that lower is a pistol. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 3:40:17 PM EDT
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This always confuses me
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Posted: 9/15/2016 5:13:17 PM EDT
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If you have a registered SBR lower, you can have an infinite number of uppers for it. This question must be answered at least once per day in the 'armory' subforums. Presuming your state doesn't have some BS law that prevents it, you're good to go. Just never attach any of your sub-16" uppers on any of your other lowers (unless they are pistol lowers).
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Posted: 9/15/2016 7:51:05 PM EDT
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This always confuses me This is an easy one. If you have a legally configured lower (pistol or registered SBR), there is no limit to the number of uppers you can have for that lower. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 11:54:29 AM EDT
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This is an easy one. If you have a legally configured lower (pistol or registered SBR), there is no limit to the number of uppers you can have for that lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This always confuses me This is an easy one. If you have a legally configured lower (pistol or registered SBR), there is no limit to the number of uppers you can have for that lower. Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/18/2016 1:22:54 PM EDT
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 12:37:33 PM EDT
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what about vertical fore-grips on extra uppers in safe? Does this change anything? Pardon my ignorance
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Posted: 9/21/2016 3:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what about vertical fore-grips on extra uppers in safe? Does this change anything? Pardon my ignorance Perfectly fine. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 3:56:57 PM EDT
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As was mentioned earlier, as long as there's a legal application for it, anything in your safe is perfectly legal.
Some people like to have an "extra" pistol lower sitting around for "insurance purposes," since you can put any length upper on a pistol lower. BUT, an upper with a vertical grip would be an Any Other Weapon if you put it on that pistol lower, so that tactic isn't particularly useful sometimes. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 4:28:47 PM EDT
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As was mentioned earlier, as long as there's a legal application for it, anything in your safe is perfectly legal. Some people like to have an "extra" pistol lower sitting around for "insurance purposes," since you can put any length upper on a pistol lower. BUT, an upper with a vertical grip would be an Any Other Weapon if you put it on that pistol lower, so that tactic isn't particularly useful sometimes. Thanks for the response. I am overthinking this..... |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 11:10:29 PM EDT
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What you don't want is to have a rifle lower (i.e. non-pistol or SBR registered), without a rifle length upper to go along with it.
Such as, you don't want 1 complete rifle AR, 1 rifle lower only, a SBR lower, and 2 shorty uppers. There's not a way to configure the rifle lower only, in a legal manner, as you don't have a rifle length upper for that one. It's not that defenable a postion to say the rifle lower only is a spare for your complete rifle AR, and that you're not putting one of the two shorty uppers on it. What's the chances of this ever happening? Very low, until it does. LIke you're being investigated or seached for something else, the cops find this, and it's an easy case for them instead of whatever else they were looking for. So, for AR rifle lowers, have a 16+ inch barrel upper for each of them, to say that's what is being used on those rifle lowers. Then if you have a pistol or SBR lower, you can buy as many shorty uppers as you want. |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 11:38:47 PM EDT
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What you don't want is to have a rifle lower (i.e. non-pistol or SBR registered), without a rifle length upper to go along with it. Such as, you don't want 1 complete rifle AR, 1 rifle lower only, a SBR lower, and 2 shorty uppers. There's not a way to configure the rifle lower only, in a legal manner, as you don't have a rifle length upper for that one. It's not that defenable a postion to say the rifle lower only is a spare for your complete rifle AR, and that you're not putting one of the two shorty uppers on it. What's the chances of this ever happening? Very low, until it does. LIke you're being investigated or seached for something else, the cops find this, and it's an easy case for them instead of whatever else they were looking for. So, for AR rifle lowers, have a 16+ inch barrel upper for each of them, to say that's what is being used on those rifle lowers. Then if you have a pistol or SBR lower, you can buy as many shorty uppers as you want. They're gonna have a hell of a time getting you with constructive possession in the situation you're describing, unless you can provide cases where this has happened of course. 
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Posted: 9/22/2016 10:09:52 AM EDT
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I do have multiple complete rifle lowers sitting in safe. (I am waiting for good deals on uppers). I am not an attorney, but I think it would be a bad idea to have an SBR, multiple short uppers not attached to a lower and a bunch of complete rifle lowers in the safe. Until I have all of the completed rifle lowers outfitted with uppers, I am going to have all the short uppers on pistol or SBR'd lowers. Better safe than sorry
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Posted: 9/24/2016 11:33:34 AM EDT
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They're gonna have a hell of a time getting you with constructive possession in the situation you're describing, unless you can provide cases where this has happened of course. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you don't want is to have a rifle lower (i.e. non-pistol or SBR registered), without a rifle length upper to go along with it. Such as, you don't want 1 complete rifle AR, 1 rifle lower only, a SBR lower, and 2 shorty uppers. There's not a way to configure the rifle lower only, in a legal manner, as you don't have a rifle length upper for that one. It's not that defenable a postion to say the rifle lower only is a spare for your complete rifle AR, and that you're not putting one of the two shorty uppers on it. What's the chances of this ever happening? Very low, until it does. LIke you're being investigated or seached for something else, the cops find this, and it's an easy case for them instead of whatever else they were looking for. So, for AR rifle lowers, have a 16+ inch barrel upper for each of them, to say that's what is being used on those rifle lowers. Then if you have a pistol or SBR lower, you can buy as many shorty uppers as you want. They're gonna have a hell of a time getting you with constructive possession in the situation you're describing, unless you can provide cases where this has happened of course. Actually they would pop two pins out and have an assembled, illegal SBR, which you would have to defend as to why that's not illegal. You're then left with the struggle of explaiing what you do with the rifle lower than has no matching rifle upper. Say it's a spare lower for your other rifle upper? Maybe, do you want to risk 12 chumps on the jury believing that, or that you use your rifle lower with one of the free floating around shorty upper? Now if every rifle lower has a matching rifle upper, it's plan as day what those are for, then you can easily explain what the extra shorty uppers are for - your SBR lower, that costs $200 bucks to make so you only have one of those instead of one for each shorty upper. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 3:53:22 PM EDT
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I do have multiple complete rifle lowers sitting in safe. (I am waiting for good deals on uppers). I am not an attorney, but I think it would be a bad idea to have an SBR, multiple short uppers not attached to a lower and a bunch of complete rifle lowers in the safe. Until I have all of the completed rifle lowers outfitted with uppers, I am going to have all the short uppers on pistol or SBR'd lowers. Better safe than sorry I simply wouldnt worry. You have a registered lower. Dont assemble illegal rifles and dont ask stupid questions on the internet. The atf doesnt do random checks of peoples safes. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 10:27:17 AM EDT
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I simply wouldnt worry. You have a registered lower. Dont assemble illegal rifles and dont ask stupid questions on the internet. The atf doesnt do random checks of peoples safes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do have multiple complete rifle lowers sitting in safe. (I am waiting for good deals on uppers). I am not an attorney, but I think it would be a bad idea to have an SBR, multiple short uppers not attached to a lower and a bunch of complete rifle lowers in the safe. Until I have all of the completed rifle lowers outfitted with uppers, I am going to have all the short uppers on pistol or SBR'd lowers. Better safe than sorry I simply wouldnt worry. You have a registered lower. Dont assemble illegal rifles and dont ask stupid questions on the internet. The atf doesnt do random checks of peoples safes. I wouldn't call it a stupid question, but thank you for your input |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 11:18:48 AM EDT
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I wouldn't call it a stupid question, but thank you for your input Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do have multiple complete rifle lowers sitting in safe. (I am waiting for good deals on uppers). I am not an attorney, but I think it would be a bad idea to have an SBR, multiple short uppers not attached to a lower and a bunch of complete rifle lowers in the safe. Until I have all of the completed rifle lowers outfitted with uppers, I am going to have all the short uppers on pistol or SBR'd lowers. Better safe than sorry I simply wouldnt worry. You have a registered lower. Dont assemble illegal rifles and dont ask stupid questions on the internet. The atf doesnt do random checks of peoples safes. I wouldn't call it a stupid question, but thank you for your input IM sent... |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 11:34:29 AM EDT
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All of this doesn't matter anymore, I had a horrible boating accident and lost all my firearms, ammo, and accessories this morning
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of this doesn't matter anymore, I had a horrible boating accident and lost all my firearms, ammo, and accessories this morning  |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:19:35 PM EDT
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want." It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. ETA:  |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:27:43 PM EDT
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Actually they would pop two pins out and have an assembled, illegal SBR, which you would have to defend as to why that's not illegal. You're then left with the struggle of explaiing what you do with the rifle lower than has no matching rifle upper. Say it's a spare lower for your other rifle upper? Maybe, do you want to risk 12 chumps on the jury believing that, or that you use your rifle lower with one of the free floating around shorty upper? Now if every rifle lower has a matching rifle upper, it's plan as day what those are for, then you can easily explain what the extra shorty uppers are for - your SBR lower, that costs $200 bucks to make so you only have one of those instead of one for each shorty upper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you don't want is to have a rifle lower (i.e. non-pistol or SBR registered), without a rifle length upper to go along with it. Such as, you don't want 1 complete rifle AR, 1 rifle lower only, a SBR lower, and 2 shorty uppers. There's not a way to configure the rifle lower only, in a legal manner, as you don't have a rifle length upper for that one. It's not that defenable a postion to say the rifle lower only is a spare for your complete rifle AR, and that you're not putting one of the two shorty uppers on it. What's the chances of this ever happening? Very low, until it does. LIke you're being investigated or seached for something else, the cops find this, and it's an easy case for them instead of whatever else they were looking for. So, for AR rifle lowers, have a 16+ inch barrel upper for each of them, to say that's what is being used on those rifle lowers. Then if you have a pistol or SBR lower, you can buy as many shorty uppers as you want. They're gonna have a hell of a time getting you with constructive possession in the situation you're describing, unless you can provide cases where this has happened of course. Actually they would pop two pins out and have an assembled, illegal SBR, which you would have to defend as to why that's not illegal. You're then left with the struggle of explaiing what you do with the rifle lower than has no matching rifle upper. Say it's a spare lower for your other rifle upper? Maybe, do you want to risk 12 chumps on the jury believing that, or that you use your rifle lower with one of the free floating around shorty upper? Now if every rifle lower has a matching rifle upper, it's plan as day what those are for, then you can easily explain what the extra shorty uppers are for - your SBR lower, that costs $200 bucks to make so you only have one of those instead of one for each shorty upper. They could just as easily take a short upper off a registered lower and put it on a standard lower, OR they could take a 16"+ upper off of a rifle and install a short upper on a regular receiver to do the exact same thing if they're trying to get you on something. Of course, it would then be them that is violating the NFA, not you. A competent lawyer would make this a non issue and possibly make the F-troop boys pucker a bit in front of that jury. Personally, I don't worry about it. 
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:30:05 PM EDT
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You have been misinformed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. No kidding. 
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:34:04 PM EDT
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You have been misinformed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. I would have to agree, there is only one classification of an sbr and that is having a barrel less than 16". If your form 1 says 10.5" barrel it doesn't mean you can't run a 7.5" barrel on it. I have all my rifle calibers registered as 7.5" just in case I want to have one that short, even though the shortest I have is 8". The atf wants you to notify them of any permanent changes to an sbr, but that's hard to do when nothing is permanent when you just have to pull two pins to make a change. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:35:14 PM EDT
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I would have to agree, there is only one classification of an sbr and that is having a barrel less than 16". If your form 1 says 10.5" barrel it doesn't mean you can't run a 7.5" barrel on it. I have all my rifle calibers registered as 7.5" just in case I want to have one that short, even though the shortest I have is 8". The atf wants you to notify them of any permanent changes to an sbr, but that's hard to do when nothing is permanent when you just have to pull two pins to make a change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. I would have to agree, there is only one classification of an sbr and that is having a barrel less than 16". If your form 1 says 10.5" barrel it doesn't mean you can't run a 7.5" barrel on it. I have all my rifle calibers registered as 7.5" just in case I want to have one that short, even though the shortest I have is 8". The atf wants you to notify them of any permanent changes to an sbr, but that's hard to do when nothing is permanent when you just have to pull two pins to make a change. I already have an NFA binder...think I'll add the letter to it for range trips. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 12:06:24 AM EDT
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It is "recommended" that you notify them of any permanent change. It's not a requirement. There is no point in sending a letter for temporary changes.
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Posted: 9/28/2016 10:55:36 AM EDT
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You have been misinformed. ETA: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/nfadeterminationletter.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. ETA: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/nfadeterminationletter.jpg I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:49:56 AM EDT
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I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. ETA: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/nfadeterminationletter.jpg I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. Can't you read? "Temporarily installing other barrel lenghts or calibers on your rifle would not constitute a violation" What part of that is other than crystal clear? |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 12:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want." It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. ETA: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/nfadeterminationletter.jpg I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 8:16:24 PM EDT
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I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"With what you have (your SBR), you can have as many of those (uppers) as you want."
It's important to note that the configuration on the Form 1 does not limit anything about other uses of an SBR AR lower. Any caliber, and any barrel length are completely legal. I have several different uppers in different calibers for my SBRs. It's also much cheaper than "marrying" a single upper to a particular SBR lower... That should go without saying. This is COMPLETELY untrue. If you get caught with a 7.5" upper on a lower that was registered for a 10.5" barrel, your ass is grass. You can have another 10.5" or longer, but not a shorter upper. The Form 1 not only limits the barrel length, but also the overall length of the weapon you register. You have been misinformed. ETA: http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/nfadeterminationletter.jpg I see nothing in that letter giving permission to use a shorter barrel than the lower is registered for. ANY length barrel can be used on a registered SBR. The initial configuration is just that: the initial setup. The Form 1 requires some specific caliber and some specific barrel length. That's all. Once a lower has its stamp, it is an SBR whenever it wears an upper with a barrel of less than 16" in length, and it's legal. Period. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 8:28:37 PM EDT
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Good God, what a shitshow....just please, no one write the ATF for further clarification. The JBT-o-meter hasn't been breaking our way lately.
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Posted: 9/28/2016 10:52:14 PM EDT
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Meh, they're extremely unlikely to reverse their stance on this particular topic. It just might take away from some form processing time. Or JBT time?? Idk.
Anyone considering if this might be unlawful should just not register any additional NFA items. They may not have given you express permission in a law somewhere. It could be risky.  |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:05:05 AM EDT
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Meh, they're extremely unlikely to reverse their stance on this particular topic. It just might take away from some form processing time. Or JBT time?? Idk. Anyone considering if this might be unlawful should just not register any additional NFA items. They may not have given you express permission in a law somewhere. It could be risky.
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:17:23 AM EDT
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Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted?
The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? Where I come from, in plain English of course, OTHER barrel length doesn't hold the same significance as ANY barrel length. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:24:18 AM EDT
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Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? I give up
D_Man posted the ATF letter on page 1 of this thread...it's the official ATF stance on the exact argument you have, and it states the exact opposite of your position. This reminds me of arguing with my communist sister on Facebook. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:36:13 AM EDT
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D_Man posted the ATF letter on page 1 of this thread...it's the official ATF stance on the exact argument you have, and it states the exact opposite of your position. This reminds me of arguing with my communist sister on Facebook. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? I give up
D_Man posted the ATF letter on page 1 of this thread...it's the official ATF stance on the exact argument you have, and it states the exact opposite of your position. This reminds me of arguing with my communist sister on Facebook. Apparently you are both fuck ups |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 12:54:35 AM EDT
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Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? I give up
D_Man posted the ATF letter on page 1 of this thread...it's the official ATF stance on the exact argument you have, and it states the exact opposite of your position. This reminds me of arguing with my communist sister on Facebook. Apparently you are both fuck ups You're not going to have your ARF account long with that attitude. As for me, you're going on ignore. You clearly have nothing to add... |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:03:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? Where I come from, in plain English of course, OTHER barrel length doesn't hold the same significance as ANY barrel length. So you have no proof to back your claim? |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:18:01 AM EDT
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Can you provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels are not permitted? The letter I posted states "Temporarily installing other barrel lengths...would not constitute a violation." There is no stated limitation on going shorter or longer or otherwise. "other barrel lengths" means, in plain English, any length other than what is on the form. If you have anything official that states otherwise, I'd love to see it. Can you, IN PLAIN ENGLISH, provide a law or official ruling that states your position that shorter barrels ARE permitted? Where I come from, in plain English of course, OTHER barrel length doesn't hold the same significance as ANY barrel length. So you have no proof to back your claim? I'm sure he doesn't because it doesn't exist to my knowledge, but I find this thread much more pleasant while he's on ignore so I won't be able to find out. I'd better hide my dogs for when the ATF comes around with a ruler though. 
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:18:25 AM EDT
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I'm going to go ahead an lock this one, before I end up giving out a temporary or maybe permanent ban.
Doesn't matter what's on the form. That's for the initial making. Once that's done, run whatever caliber and/or length you choose. It's not even a question that's up for discussion. |
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Posted: 9/29/2016 1:18:50 AM EDT
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See above
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