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Posted: 7/11/2016 4:51:16 PM EDT
[#1]
Doubt it. Is e forms going away? Damn I need to eke one more before tomorrow at 2400.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 4:53:48 PM EDT
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I seriously doubt it
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Posted: 7/11/2016 5:07:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Absolutely.
The number of submissions in the weeks/months after 7/13 is certain to be less than in the weeks/months before. But a year from now it will be more. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 5:35:22 PM EDT
[#4]
It may after 6 or 7 months from now.....
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Posted: 7/11/2016 5:43:18 PM EDT
[#5]
They really should batch approve. But I doubt they will.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 5:56:39 PM EDT
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Reduction of forms will be offset by time to do the paperwork (determine who is "responsible person", process prints and photos, deal with flood of errors, no more eforms)
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Posted: 7/11/2016 6:03:54 PM EDT
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Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route.
I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 7:07:09 PM EDT
[#8]
LOL . . . ROFL . . .
I really doubt things will go any faster for the forseeable future. Sure, there's been a massive rush to beat the deadline, but I expect there will be another surge in applications from individuals once the rules change. Plus, as more and more people get the NFA bug, application volume will increase. Add in the idea that it's rare that a government agency becomes more effecient, especially when there's additional trustees and responsible persons to check, record, and whatever else, well . . .it looks like a pipe dream to me. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 7:14:42 PM EDT
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Lulz, not a chance.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 7:27:28 PM EDT
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They need some proof readers to kick out the rejects before they get a month or 2 in....that would help. You know, like abbreviations and no dotted i's or crossed t's.
Is there a timeline to rejection? Would sux to wait 8 months, then get disapproved. I would rather get kicked out in a month and re-file. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 7:27:37 PM EDT
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They really should batch approve. But I doubt they will. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They really should batch approve. But I doubt they will. This Quoted:
Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 8:02:51 PM EDT
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I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all Yes, I know some, even here in (mostly) gun-friendly Alabama, which is why I suspect they exist in greater numbers elsewhere. But I don't know what that number might be, which is why I said "I bet" it is significant... and not that it is, as a statement of fact. I have several stamps still pending myself, so you'd better believe I hope that number is small and everything speeds up... but I ain't holding my breath. 
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Posted: 7/11/2016 8:18:45 PM EDT
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I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all I have at least a dozen waiting to buy on July 13th. |
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Posted: 7/11/2016 8:54:05 PM EDT
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Is it possible the ATF would devote their attention to get through all the efiles since there will be no more submissions on there? Seems smart... but who knows.
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Posted: 7/11/2016 9:39:27 PM EDT
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Is it possible the ATF would devote their attention to get through all the efiles since there will be no more submissions on there? Seems smart... but who knows. Answered your own question. When's the last time the government did anything that seems smart?
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Posted: 7/11/2016 10:25:24 PM EDT
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I recall seeing a release by the ATF that said how much time an agent spends per approval, anyone have that?
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Posted: 7/11/2016 11:56:22 PM EDT
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I recall seeing a release by the ATF that said how much time an agent spends per approval, anyone have that? My guess....17 seconds 
Its the Gov though, so... a week? 
Not sure we wanna know.... 
Something tells me, the rush on silencers hasnt even started. Finger prints and photos, isnt the end of the world. Im sure they have most of ours anyway. No CLEO sign off is Im sure is a big deal to alot of people. |
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Posted: 7/12/2016 12:47:33 AM EDT
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I have at least a dozen waiting to buy on July 13th. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all I have at least a dozen waiting to buy on July 13th. That's very interesting to me |
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Posted: 7/12/2016 12:54:22 AM EDT
[#19]
Do the form 1's go to a different division than form 4's, if so wouldn't the form 1's be approved faster because there would be a slow down from form 1's?
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Posted: 7/12/2016 7:13:26 AM EDT
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Do the form 1's go to a different division than form 4's, if so wouldn't the form 1's be approved faster because there would be a slow down from form 1's? Nope. Same group of examiners. |
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Posted: 7/12/2016 7:24:17 AM EDT
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My guess....17 seconds
Its the Gov though, so... a week?
Not sure we wanna know....
Something tells me, the rush on silencers hasnt even started. Finger prints and photos, isnt the end of the world. Im sure they have most of ours anyway. No CLEO sign off is Im sure is a big deal to alot of people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recall seeing a release by the ATF that said how much time an agent spends per approval, anyone have that? My guess....17 seconds
Its the Gov though, so... a week?
Not sure we wanna know....
Something tells me, the rush on silencers hasnt even started. Finger prints and photos, isnt the end of the world. Im sure they have most of ours anyway. No CLEO sign off is Im sure is a big deal to alot of people. can you read a 20+ page trust in 17 seconds? IIRC I think it averaged closer to 4 mins |
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Posted: 7/13/2016 9:00:18 AM EDT
[#22]
Not at all. All those fingerprints have to go to FBI for processing...
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Posted: 7/13/2016 9:20:46 AM EDT
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I fear we may go back to 10-12 month wait times again soon. My first purchase in 2011 took something like 10 months from sent forms to pickup. I did most of my NFA purchasing last summer when individual wait times were at their lowest. Glad I did as I have an MG and enough SBR/suppressors to play with for a while. Im planning on about 2-3 more form 1s this year.
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Posted: 7/13/2016 11:53:26 AM EDT
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I have at least a dozen waiting to buy on July 13th. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all I have at least a dozen waiting to buy on July 13th. Same , Ive got a stack of SBR form 1's to mail out this week. Thanks to our shitty awb laws in ct, unless you originally registered a rifle to your trust , you could not transfer it into one after the new laws went into effect. So my trust is all fine and dandy for buying suppressors, but not SBR's unless you purchased a preban but im not paying that much for a beat to shit receiver when I have plenty of modern ones.You could still apply as an individual , but fuck that, its a kick in the balls enough to pay the tax for a right, never mind having to ask the local top cop for permission to exercise a right. So now that its passed , off the form 1's go! |
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Posted: 7/13/2016 12:32:12 PM EDT
[#25]
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Same , Ive got a stack of SBR form 1's to mail out this week. Just making sure you filled those out in the new forms and haven't had them waiting for weeks/months. The older forms are now obsolete and will not be accepted. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 11:20:09 PM EDT
[#26]
Thinking of SBRing that scratched Colt FilthyPhil?
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Posted: 7/20/2016 12:22:33 AM EDT
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After they catch up from the backlog and the new forms make it to the examiners I don't see the process going any faster. Their will be a learning curve and it is more complicated on their side as well. More cards, things to check .... I don't see it all going well.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:26:53 AM EDT
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Just making sure you filled those out in the new forms and haven't had them waiting for weeks/months. The older forms are now obsolete and will not be accepted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Same , Ive got a stack of SBR form 1's to mail out this week. Just making sure you filled those out in the new forms and haven't had them waiting for weeks/months. The older forms are now obsolete and will not be accepted. Yep got them from the link in your new guide |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:27:04 AM EDT
[#29]
Didn't individual submissions take up to 1 year before 41F because of all the background checks? I think we will see the process taking that much time now for all submissions.
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Posted: 7/20/2016 1:34:50 AM EDT
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Didn't individual submissions take up to 1 year before 41F because of all the background checks? I think we will see the process taking that much time now for all submissions. ATF already estimated wait time would double, with all the new background checks being processed. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 9:14:20 AM EDT
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This I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They really should batch approve. But I doubt they will. This Quoted:
Don't forget all of the folks who couldn't file as individuals (because of CLEOs who would not sign-off) but didn't want to go the trust/corp. route. I bet that there are a significant number of first-time filers sitting on GO just waiting for the law change. But I could be wrong. I keep hearing this. Do you know of any? I don't. Anecdotes and all A friend of my dads tried to file a few years ago and our sheriff won't sign. He set up a new trust and never used it, didn't know about e-forms. A couple days after 41f he sent me a text saying he was going to file for an sbr and wanted to know if I could walk him through it as an individual..... My internal reaction was why the hell didn't you file a week ago with your trust?!?! I told him I wasn't 100% up on all the new procedures so he went to a dealer for help. It does seem backwards but people doing this are out there. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 9:21:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Nope....not a chance....
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Posted: 7/20/2016 10:00:39 AM EDT
[#33]
hahahahahahaha
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Posted: 7/20/2016 11:45:25 AM EDT
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ATF already estimated wait time would double, with all the new background checks being processed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't individual submissions take up to 1 year before 41F because of all the background checks? I think we will see the process taking that much time now for all submissions. ATF already estimated wait time would double, with all the new background checks being processed. this. Pre-41F Trust submissions made things very easy for ATF. Post-41F, some people are going to submit photos/prints/data for a bunch of co-trustees and all that useless crap will be more work for ATF. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the wait times doubled. I imagine there will be a lull after the big rush to beat the rule change, but that won't last long. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 11:54:18 AM EDT
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this. Pre-41F Trust submissions made things very easy for ATF. Post-41F, some people are going to submit photos/prints/data for a bunch of co-trustees and all that useless crap will be more work for ATF. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the wait times doubled. I imagine there will be a lull after the big rush to beat the rule change, but that won't last long. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't individual submissions take up to 1 year before 41F because of all the background checks? I think we will see the process taking that much time now for all submissions. ATF already estimated wait time would double, with all the new background checks being processed. this. Pre-41F Trust submissions made things very easy for ATF. Post-41F, some people are going to submit photos/prints/data for a bunch of co-trustees and all that useless crap will be more work for ATF. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the wait times doubled. I imagine there will be a lull after the big rush to beat the rule change, but that won't last long. Usually, when the trend starts to show a lull in wait times, that is when everyone buys again, and there goes your short wait times. NFA is very cyclical. ATF gets backlogged, then catches up, then backlogged again, and round and round. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 11:15:24 PM EDT
[#36]
"caught up"? Maybe in relative terms, but until we see consistent sub-1 week approvals I'll continue believe that they are perpetually behind!
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Posted: 7/21/2016 1:00:01 AM EDT
[#37]
Best thing that could happen is if they started batch approvals on the Eform submissions. Probably won't happen now, but I had 6 approved this way a year ago.
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:42:46 AM EDT
[#38]
I'm really bummed I won't get mine back until October, if that.
Form 4 suppressor submitted on 4/29 and a Form 1 SBR submitted on 5/23. |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 2:48:57 PM EDT
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Best thing that could happen is if they started batch approvals on the Eform submissions. Probably won't happen now, but I had 6 approved this way a year ago. I have no idea why they ever stopped that...unless they just like making our lives miserable and inconvenient. Most of my currently pending forms are from June, but I have some from april/may as well. A batch approval might get me all my stuff in 2016. As it is, I'll probably be collecting social security before I get them all (I'm 41 now).... |
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Posted: 7/21/2016 8:35:04 PM EDT
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Answered your own question. When's the last time the government did anything that seems smart? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it possible the ATF would devote their attention to get through all the efiles since there will be no more submissions on there? Seems smart... but who knows. Answered your own question. When's the last time the government did anything that seems smart? 1776? |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 9:14:04 PM EDT
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can you read a 20+ page trust in 17 seconds? IIRC I think it averaged closer to 4 mins Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I recall seeing a release by the ATF that said how much time an agent spends per approval, anyone have that? My guess....17 seconds
Its the Gov though, so... a week?
Not sure we wanna know....
Something tells me, the rush on silencers hasnt even started. Finger prints and photos, isnt the end of the world. Im sure they have most of ours anyway. No CLEO sign off is Im sure is a big deal to alot of people. can you read a 20+ page trust in 17 seconds? IIRC I think it averaged closer to 4 mins I seriously doubt they read an entire trust and if they did, they wouldn't understand half of the wording in it. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 11:07:06 PM EDT
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I have no idea why they ever stopped that...unless they just like making our lives miserable and inconvenient. Most of my currently pending forms are from June, but I have some from april/may as well. A batch approval might get me all my stuff in 2016. As it is, I'll probably be collecting social security before I get them all (I'm 41 now).... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best thing that could happen is if they started batch approvals on the Eform submissions. Probably won't happen now, but I had 6 approved this way a year ago. I have no idea why they ever stopped that...unless they just like making our lives miserable and inconvenient. Most of my currently pending forms are from June, but I have some from april/may as well. A batch approval might get me all my stuff in 2016. As it is, I'll probably be collecting social security before I get them all (I'm 41 now).... Might be able to answer my own question here: ATF UPDATE: 41P, NFA BACKLOG, AND THE E-FORMS SYSTEM Written by ASA on November 4, 2014 During our conversation, ATF also addressed their efforts to decrease the backlog of NFA forms. Since January, the NFA Branch has hired 9 additional examiners, bringing their total number to 25. Moreover, they have given the examiners the opportunity to work seven days a week with unlimited overtime. So, you can bust your ass for 8 hours per day and live pretty good in Martinsville, WV, or you can just "do your job" at the minimum speed required and either live like a king or retire super young by working a shit ton of OT. Not a tough call. I'd take 2 hour power naps in the closet and go back to work if I had completely free reign to work as much as I want. It's not like it's long-haul truck driving or air traffic control or being a cop....this is pretty chillax work I would think. Retiring at 45 or 50 would be nice. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:05:32 AM EDT
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Might be able to answer my own question here: ATF UPDATE: 41P, NFA BACKLOG, AND THE E-FORMS SYSTEM Written by ASA on November 4, 2014 So, you can bust your ass for 8 hours per day and live pretty good in Martinsville, WV, or you can just "do your job" at the minimum speed required and either live like a king or retire super young by working a shit ton of OT. Not a tough call. I'd take 2 hour power naps in the closet and go back to work if I had completely free reign to work as much as I want. It's not like it's long-haul truck driving or air traffic control or being a cop....this is pretty chillax work I would think. Retiring at 45 or 50 would be nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best thing that could happen is if they started batch approvals on the Eform submissions. Probably won't happen now, but I had 6 approved this way a year ago. I have no idea why they ever stopped that...unless they just like making our lives miserable and inconvenient. Most of my currently pending forms are from June, but I have some from april/may as well. A batch approval might get me all my stuff in 2016. As it is, I'll probably be collecting social security before I get them all (I'm 41 now).... Might be able to answer my own question here: ATF UPDATE: 41P, NFA BACKLOG, AND THE E-FORMS SYSTEM Written by ASA on November 4, 2014 During our conversation, ATF also addressed their efforts to decrease the backlog of NFA forms. Since January, the NFA Branch has hired 9 additional examiners, bringing their total number to 25. Moreover, they have given the examiners the opportunity to work seven days a week with unlimited overtime. So, you can bust your ass for 8 hours per day and live pretty good in Martinsville, WV, or you can just "do your job" at the minimum speed required and either live like a king or retire super young by working a shit ton of OT. Not a tough call. I'd take 2 hour power naps in the closet and go back to work if I had completely free reign to work as much as I want. It's not like it's long-haul truck driving or air traffic control or being a cop....this is pretty chillax work I would think. Retiring at 45 or 50 would be nice. Do they work from home? I know people have reported some odd approval times on eForms. Ted Clutter seems to work 24 hours a day. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 12:05:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they work from home? I know people have reported some odd approval times on eForms. Ted Clutter seems to work 24 hours a day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Best thing that could happen is if they started batch approvals on the Eform submissions. Probably won't happen now, but I had 6 approved this way a year ago. I have no idea why they ever stopped that...unless they just like making our lives miserable and inconvenient. Most of my currently pending forms are from June, but I have some from april/may as well. A batch approval might get me all my stuff in 2016. As it is, I'll probably be collecting social security before I get them all (I'm 41 now).... Might be able to answer my own question here: ATF UPDATE: 41P, NFA BACKLOG, AND THE E-FORMS SYSTEM Written by ASA on November 4, 2014 During our conversation, ATF also addressed their efforts to decrease the backlog of NFA forms. Since January, the NFA Branch has hired 9 additional examiners, bringing their total number to 25. Moreover, they have given the examiners the opportunity to work seven days a week with unlimited overtime. So, you can bust your ass for 8 hours per day and live pretty good in Martinsville, WV, or you can just "do your job" at the minimum speed required and either live like a king or retire super young by working a shit ton of OT. Not a tough call. I'd take 2 hour power naps in the closet and go back to work if I had completely free reign to work as much as I want. It's not like it's long-haul truck driving or air traffic control or being a cop....this is pretty chillax work I would think. Retiring at 45 or 50 would be nice. Do they work from home? I know people have reported some odd approval times on eForms. Ted Clutter seems to work 24 hours a day. I would think they would be allowed to work from home. All you really need is a laptop and a VPN. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 2:58:41 PM EDT
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That is what I was thinking too.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 2:43:32 AM EDT
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omg, if I could do that job and work from home? I'd never NOT work!
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Posted: 7/26/2016 12:38:29 PM EDT
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I tend to think they are working from home or they are working a ton of OT - I have had my last form one approved on a Saturday and my last Form 4 (July 24th) - a Sunday.
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Posted: 7/26/2016 5:59:12 PM EDT
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I tend to think they are working from home or they are working a ton of OT - I have had my last form one approved on a Saturday and my last Form 4 (July 24th) - a Sunday. I would assume OT. I've had an approval on a Sunday |
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