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Posted: 6/21/2016 3:35:53 PM EDT
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Nope. That's a practice (fast-tracking resubmissions) that has apparently ended in the last week.
At least two examples in this thread and another one (for a Spikes lower) here. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 3:47:11 PM EDT
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Nope. That's a practice (fast-tracking resubmissions) that has apparently ended in the last week. At least two examples in this thread and another one (for a Spikes lower) here. Thanks BW, I haven't been keeping up to date on this stuff lately. Been busy with other things. Not that big of a deal as long as I resubmit before the new trust changes go into affect. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 8:58:59 PM EDT
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I came to post this exact thread. My spikes also got disapproved today. It sucks that it took a month to get a dissaproval but I am glad it is still before 41F. It's too bad they can't make that clear on their page somewhere. On the plus side, I resubmitted my form in about 1/10th the time this time around.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 8:13:06 AM EDT
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They are trying to "batch" disapprove them for folks so they still have time to resubmit. They are looking for obvious errors that would result in an eventual disapproval, and just doing it right now to actually help us out when we have made basic errors. I'm glad to see that they are at least interested in helping us out and not just waiting till later to disapprove and screw us over.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 9:59:48 AM EDT
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Same thing happened to me on a Spikes lower for forgetting the prefix...Chalk it up as a rookie mistake. I spoke to someone there and they told me they can't fast track it due to all the volume in submissions leading up to 41f. He did say that my new submission looked good and that it would likely be approved whenever it's time for it to be reviewed, *sigh*
At least I have my pinned 14.5 to show some love to for the another 3, or however many months it may be. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 4:06:53 PM EDT
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Nope. That's a practice (fast-tracking resubmissions) that has apparently ended in the last week. At least two examples in this thread and another one (for a Spikes lower) here. Ive had to use the fast track twice now.. I am going to check my pending forms to make sure they're in line now. That SUCKS that they aren't doing it anymore |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Nope. That's a practice (fast-tracking resubmissions) that has apparently ended in the last week. At least two examples in this thread and another one (for a Spikes lower) here. That sucks but can't say I can blame them. Most of the disapproved issues seem to be stuff people fuck up when they shouldn't. I've got 7 form 1's pending so hopefully I didn't fuck them all up.
Eta: And maybe that will speed the line up. Do you think people that reapply should continue to try and email Ted Clutter? |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 6:15:34 PM EDT
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Eta: And maybe that will speed the line up. Do you think people that reapply should continue to try and email Ted Clutter? I don't think they should email him anymore, but I doubt that'll stop anybody. And yes, a vast majority of the Disapprovals are preventable user errors. A couple minutes double-checking would've saved everyone a lot of hassle. (And I'm not pointing fingers without one coming back to me...as I managed to leave my street address off an EForm 1 when I filled out three at once) |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 1:14:01 PM EDT
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash???
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Posted: 6/23/2016 2:54:10 PM EDT
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? I've always input it exactly as described, and upload a pic of the engraving that shows model and SN. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 3:04:30 PM EDT
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I've always input it exactly as described, and upload a pic of the engraving that shows model and SN. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? I've always input it exactly as described, and upload a pic of the engraving that shows model and SN. thanks, i will do that. i just got approval on my supressor, but this got disapproved. its a little frustrating but im learning lol |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 3:11:16 PM EDT
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? When I called about mine, I asked about the dash. The lady said put down exactly what is on the receiver so if there is a dash, put it on the form. I resubmitted mine with the dash so we shall see. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 3:13:44 PM EDT
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When I called about mine, I asked about the dash. The lady said put down exactly what is on the receiver so if there is a dash, put it on the form. I resubmitted mine with the dash so we shall see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? When I called about mine, I asked about the dash. The lady said put down exactly what is on the receiver so if there is a dash, put it on the form. I resubmitted mine with the dash so we shall see. i actually just taked to them and they confirmed that same thing thanks guys |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:15:47 PM EDT
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:21:48 PM EDT
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Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? that is the first 3 letters in the serial number onf my stripped lower |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:22:18 PM EDT
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I've always input it exactly as described, and upload a pic of the engraving that shows model and SN. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? I've always input it exactly as described, and upload a pic of the engraving that shows model and SN. That's a great idea. I have an AK that I'm worried about it being disapproved. The model number on the receiver is marked SLR 107UR with no dash which is how I listed it on the form 1. Now I'm seeing people have been approved with adding dashes that aren't even on the receiver eg; SLR-107UR or with no space eg; SLR107UR Do you think I should add a photo? It's in in process/pending status. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:22:45 PM EDT
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Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? Because Spikes uses some dumb 3 letter prefix in their serial numbers... some peoples start with SBR... some NSL... etc. Its some sort of identifier for their lower. My Spikes is a NSLxxxxx and I believe it stands for "Non Spider Logo" as it has a Punisher skull logo and not one of their typical spider logos. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:22:52 PM EDT
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that is the first 3 letters in the serial number onf my stripped lower Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? Why are you putting SBR in front of your serial number? Or am I misunderstanding? that is the first 3 letters in the serial number onf my stripped lower Oh gotcha. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:24:39 PM EDT
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i did this EXACT same thing and it was disapproved moday. my question is do you also include the dash in the serial# like sbr-XXXXX or do it sbrXXXXX without the dash??? Yes, if there is a dash factory engraved on your receiver then that is what you put on your form1. For both serial number and model you should always put EXACTLY what appears on that receiver. |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:38:00 PM EDT
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mine was disapproved monday for the same damn thing. spikes lower. i emailed the examiner and she told me to resubmit it real quick and she would approve it. 45 minutes after i resubmitted she approved the new form. guess i lucked out.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:41:51 PM EDT
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mine was disapproved monday for the same damn thing. spikes lower. i emailed the examiner and she told me to resubmit it real quick and she would approve it. 45 minutes after i resubmitted she approved the new form. guess i lucked out. i wish i had that oppertunity 
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Posted: 6/23/2016 6:46:10 PM EDT
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Her title at the bottom of her email was "Legal Instruments Examiner". Originally sent it to a atf.gov address then all her returning emails came from usdoj.gov address. she was super nice and told me its happening to alot of spikes lowers be submitted.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 7:36:28 PM EDT
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Her title at the bottom of her email was "Legal Instruments Examiner". Originally sent it to a atf.gov address then all her returning emails came from usdoj.gov address. she was super nice and told me its happening to alot of spikes lowers be submitted. well i am guessing i did not get her? lol |
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Posted: 6/23/2016 8:38:24 PM EDT
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One of my Spikes lowers has a THUGxxxxx serial number.
 I form 1'd it anyway. One of my other sbr's has FOxxxxxxx as the serial.
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Posted: 6/23/2016 11:14:21 PM EDT
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The Spikes SBR prefix SNs caused mass confusion at the ATF for awhile. Had it been SAR or SCR, it would never have been questioned. I've see examples of:
1. Forms being approved with the SBR prefix 2. Forms being disapproved because of the SBR prefix 3. Forms being approved without the SBR prefix 4. Forms being disapproved that were missing the SBR prefix #3 scares me the most, as you actually have an approved form that doesn't match the firearm...yes, it should be easily explainable, but there's no F1 in existence for SN 1234 (w/o the SBR-) Spikes also has some NSL SNs, for No Spider Logo. In case anybody hasn't seen one: 
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:08:10 PM EDT
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I'm sure the answer is "nothing ATF does is consistent"....but why do they demand SBR be included in the s/n but then turn around and don't require the "MOD" in the model name to be included? Is it just because Spikes includes the SBR in the s/n when they manufacture the lower or is ATF just being silly, as usual?
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Posted: 6/24/2016 4:25:16 PM EDT
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I'm sure the answer is "nothing ATF does is consistent"....but why do they demand SBR be included in the s/n but then turn around and don't require the "MOD" in the model name to be included? Is it just because Spikes includes the SBR in the s/n when they manufacture the lower or is ATF just being silly, as usual? That question gets asked, and I'm not sure why. SBR-1234 is the SN MOD is the label for the Model (ST15 in my pic) , just like CAL is the label for the caliber (Multi in this case). There wouldn't be a label of "SBR" for anything. Evidently they run all the common engraving at once, and then go back and add the series of SNs. The different font causes some of the confusion, and the fact they chose SBR (for Spikes Battle Rifle) causes additional confusion to some, including examiners. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 8:36:27 PM EDT
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I would imagine with only 5 numerical digits for serial numbers, the prefix offers them the ability to not stress over using the same number.
I am sure there are lowers out there with the same numerical numbers but one may say SBR- and another SCR-... but I could be way off with that. |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 9:12:45 PM EDT
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That question gets asked, and I'm not sure why. SBR-1234 is the SN MOD is the label for the Model (ST15 in my pic) , just like CAL is the label for the caliber (Multi in this case). There wouldn't be a label of "SBR" for anything. Evidently they run all the common engraving at once, and then go back and add the series of SNs. The different font causes some of the confusion, and the fact they chose SBR (for Spikes Battle Rifle) causes additional confusion to some, including examiners. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sure the answer is "nothing ATF does is consistent"....but why do they demand SBR be included in the s/n but then turn around and don't require the "MOD" in the model name to be included? Is it just because Spikes includes the SBR in the s/n when they manufacture the lower or is ATF just being silly, as usual? That question gets asked, and I'm not sure why. SBR-1234 is the SN MOD is the label for the Model (ST15 in my pic) , just like CAL is the label for the caliber (Multi in this case). There wouldn't be a label of "SBR" for anything. Evidently they run all the common engraving at once, and then go back and add the series of SNs. The different font causes some of the confusion, and the fact they chose SBR (for Spikes Battle Rifle) causes additional confusion to some, including examiners. So ATF wouldn't allow a company to use the letters "MOD" at the beginning of an official model name? The formatting is just weird and clearly causes MUCH confusion for their customers. Not sure why they don't just go to all numbers to make life easier for everyone. To each their own though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/24/2016 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would imagine with only 5 numerical digits for serial numbers, the prefix offers them the ability to not stress over using the same number. I am sure there are lowers out there with the same numerical numbers but one may say SBR- and another SCR-... but I could be way off with that. You are.  In the case of the Spikes lowers, the 3 letter prefix is tied to the lower type. The "SBR" in this case stands for "Spikes Battle Rifle" and is their normal, dueling dicks spider logo'd lower prefix. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 6:52:10 PM EDT
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You are.
In the case of the Spikes lowers, the 3 letter prefix is tied to the lower type. The "SBR" in this case stands for "Spikes Battle Rifle" and is their normal, dueling dicks spider logo'd lower prefix. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine with only 5 numerical digits for serial numbers, the prefix offers them the ability to not stress over using the same number. I am sure there are lowers out there with the same numerical numbers but one may say SBR- and another SCR-... but I could be way off with that. You are.
In the case of the Spikes lowers, the 3 letter prefix is tied to the lower type. The "SBR" in this case stands for "Spikes Battle Rifle" and is their normal, dueling dicks spider logo'd lower prefix. meh, it was a thought. Mine has the SCR prefix and is the same dueling dicks spider. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:24:46 PM EDT
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meh, it was a thought. Mine has the SCR prefix and is the same dueling dicks spider. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would imagine with only 5 numerical digits for serial numbers, the prefix offers them the ability to not stress over using the same number. I am sure there are lowers out there with the same numerical numbers but one may say SBR- and another SCR-... but I could be way off with that. You are.
In the case of the Spikes lowers, the 3 letter prefix is tied to the lower type. The "SBR" in this case stands for "Spikes Battle Rifle" and is their normal, dueling dicks spider logo'd lower prefix. meh, it was a thought. Mine has the SCR prefix and is the same dueling dicks spider. I don't think he's off at all. (Assuming that's the comment that "you are" was aimed at) There's no reason Spike's couldn't have SAR-12345, SBR-12345 and SCR-12345 lowers made. Not saying they do, but I don't know for a fact they don't. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 7:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: meh, it was a thought. Mine has the SCR prefix and is the same dueling dicks spider. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would imagine with only 5 numerical digits for serial numbers, the prefix offers them the ability to not stress over using the same number. I am sure there are lowers out there with the same numerical numbers but one may say SBR- and another SCR-... but I could be way off with that. You are. In the case of the Spikes lowers, the 3 letter prefix is tied to the lower type. The "SBR" in this case stands for "Spikes Battle Rifle" and is their normal, dueling dicks spider logo'd lower prefix. meh, it was a thought. Mine has the SCR prefix and is the same dueling dicks spider. Interesting. I've seen a couple in person and they both said "SBR", and when I heard the "Spikes Battle Rifle" was the reasoning, that seemed to fit. Although, it is certainly sensible, once they made over 9999 units with the "SBR" prefix, they would have to change it. So if you have an "SCR", I stand corrected. |
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Posted: 6/26/2016 8:01:21 PM EDT
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I submitted a form 1 to SBR a Spikes Tactical lower. My form 1 was disapproved because I did not include the alpha prefix for the serial number. My fault. I should have asked before submitting. I called the ATF I and was told that I needed to resubmit and start all over again. Is there possibly someone I can contact at the ATF to fix this issue. I have read about other members calling or emailing an individual at the ATF and getting problems fixed. Same exact thing happened to me. Email, resubmit. Got it back in less time it took to get it engraved. |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 3:51:50 AM EDT
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Same exact thing happened to me. Email, resubmit. Got it back in less time it took to get it engraved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I submitted a form 1 to SBR a Spikes Tactical lower. My form 1 was disapproved because I did not include the alpha prefix for the serial number. My fault. I should have asked before submitting. I called the ATF I and was told that I needed to resubmit and start all over again. Is there possibly someone I can contact at the ATF to fix this issue. I have read about other members calling or emailing an individual at the ATF and getting problems fixed. Same exact thing happened to me. Email, resubmit. Got it back in less time it took to get it engraved. They're telling people to get back in line now apparently and not fast tracking resubmitted forms. Focusing their efforts on reviewing as many forms for errors as possible before the 41F deadline. |
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